If anyone is really concerned about baby formula and what was used way back when, I read that all they ever used was evaporated milk, water and some sugar. The article went on to state that your baby will be just fine with it.
It's getting really sad and quite pathetic that there's always morons and muck rakers out there ready to pounce on the latest "crisis" and elevate it to hyperbolically hysterical levels. It wasn't that long ago when Mr. Potato Head was the cause celebre.
What I find sad and pathetic are people that are so married to their politics that they dismiss the very evident reality that right now infants in this country are at risk of starvation, malnutrition, and death because of the shortage.
These same individuals had no issue casting aspersions at the previous administration ad nauseum for grievances that were far-less tangible.
This situation is disgraceful regardless of what type of administration is in charge.
What I find sad and pathetic are people that are so married to their politics that they dismiss the very evident reality that right now infants in this country are at risk of starvation, malnutrition, and death because of the shortage.
These same individuals had no issue casting aspersions at the previous administration ad nauseum for grievances that were far-less tangible.
This situation is disgraceful regardless of what type of administration is in charge.
I'm not sure that baby formula is the government's responsibility. There are substitute food sources. Maybe not ideal but not a nuclear holocaust.
Now the west is in a suicide mode, assisted suicide for sure...
There is no conspiracy, only an orchestrated stupidity on a massive scale...
or not.
I guess I can come off as mildly amused at the over reactions I see on this forum. "times are hard" "the economy is tanking" ...yadayada. If you have sufficient savings and a balanced/sane financial approach, then there can be times where some see strife where others see opportunities, right?
If you have sufficient savings and a balanced/sane financial approach, then there can be times where some see strife where others see opportunities, right?
Are you serious?
After me the deluge in a nutshell...
Who give a dam about Sri Lanka deaths ...
Buy a shelter and call that a solution...
😁😊
Yes and dont forget to look at the market in your nuclear shelter...
It will be a boom market after the BOOM for sure...
My point were about the useless harship worldwide imposed on us by the stupidity of North American leaders...
Savings dont help in societal collapsus and market has no meaning in a monetary collapse save for very very few people...
A documentary about american leaders stupidity:
I will suggest to you a movie, almost a documentary, even if it is fiction like, one of the best ever made by someone near Kubrick and Orson Welles, it is amazing because it was almost actuality just before nazism and it is actuality even now...Guess why? :
All due respect to you but in the event there is an apocalypse, that can only happen once. Why spend every day dwelling on the remote possibility of a cataclysmic event? In addition, what good is it to be right if the world is going to end then to whom would you get to boast that you were right?
And Sri Lanka...I’m not sure how that topic entered the conversation.
All due respect to you but in the event there is an apocalypse, that can only happen once.
Why bother for example with a meteor strike ? ... It will happen once...It is better to invest in arms to defend ourself against China or Russia... 😁😊 Why not bombing them first?
Why bother with anything?
Only matter our savings and shelter...And the number of bombs we own...
And Sri Lanka...I’m not sure how that topic entered the conversation.
This line says a lot about your information level in your news papers....
Why spend every day dwelling on the remote possibility of a cataclysmic event? In addition, what good is it to be right if the world is going to end then to whom would you get to boast that you were right?
Because our political awareness each one of us can help...
And if you have read my posts like a prediction asking to be right by the way , you distorted my post ...Only ostrich act like that...
You dont seems to give a dam about the world right now...I dont predict the worst , we have already entered into the worst for more than 2 years right now and we go worst by the day...
Accumulating savings is not an answer ...
Ok, at least listen to two excellent film/documentaries and ask yourself why these two old films are actual right now?
They are so entertaining you will loved them...And they are amazingly right in their description of the world...
For sure the Intelligence level of these artists were not low...
For the anecdote Kubrick I.Q. was estimated to be 200... Orson Welles is near him...And i dont think Fritz Lang lucidity about his era put him much much lower than Kubrick... Artists can be very intelligent...
I always thought that people more intelligent than i am may teach me something...
What I find sad and pathetic are people that are so married to their politics that they dismiss the very evident reality that right now infants in this country are at risk of starvation, malnutrition, and death because of the shortage. These same individuals had no issue casting aspersions at the previous administration ad nauseum for grievances that were far-less tangible.This situation is disgraceful regardless of what type of administration is in charge.
Isn't it amazing just how convenient ones' memory is? It was Rump who erected tariffs and sanctions against Canada for being our enemy which resulted in none of their baby formula being exported to us.
That, and 192 Republicans who cried and wailed about lack of baby formula just voted against the FDA Baby Formula Act.
The federal government becomes responsible for baby formula when it directly gets involved in the purchasing, manufacturing, and import-limiting of the product.
You can't take a significant amount of control and oversight over a product and then when you help break down the availability of it, back-away. That's not leadership or governance; that's cowardice.
The FDA dropped the ball on their investigation and subsequent closure of the Abbott factory. The factory has been closed for over three months because of government intervention and incompetence. Now after the public outcry they've come to an agreement? What happened over the last 12 weeks?
The FDA also has expressly prohibited importing formula from other countries, again until the recent public outcry.
Also, please get educated on the severity of the situation. For many children there aren't any alternatives that don't impose serious risks. Do you work in healthcare? I do. People are bringing infants into the ER out of desperation. There have also been instances, albeit rare, of children needing surgical intervention (g-tubes) to acquire nutrition because there formula is unavailable.
This issue shouldn't be made benign to save the face of any administration; D or R.
Please save the sermon, I recognize its a serious problem. I thought this thread was about made in Russia audio tubes. Then.... baby formula gets tossed in and then Sri Lanka. As a parent, its their responsibility to identify alternatives until the supply chain gets worked out.
Oh, the poor baby formula manufacture plant. How about a realistic timeline to go by? The power these companies have rival that of any oversight group and even the government. Reminds me of the meat packing plants that made workers work while getting Covid and dying and actually doing nothing to abate it, and having Rump and his Presidential signing statement forcing them to stay open?
One side may err on the side of public safety but the other side actively harms and kills people for a buck and for political points.
By the way, nothing remotely disingenuous about my post. Nice try.
That article proves my point. No one is sympathizing with Abbott, they are equally at fault. The FDA was told about the issue back in September. They did nothing.
They waited until four infants died before panic-acting and shutting the plant down without any consideration for how it would impact supply.
It wouldn't have taken much for the FDA to emergency-authorize importation of formula from Europe, Canada, Mexico.
I’ve always enjoyed your posts and appreciate that you feel strongly about certain topics.
You seem to be upset that I’m not upset. I am concerned about everything you are upset about, I just tend to gravitate toward solutions oriented problem solving rather than to virtually self immolate with every current event. In short, I seek positives and jettison the negatives. Its an attitude...obviously one you don’t or can’t share. That’s cool. I’ll just keep doing my thing, being overtly happy, employing happy people, doing good when I feel the urge and ignoring those who over react daily about whatever it is that people love to over react about.
No, of course personal savings isn’t enough...but if people have made good financial decisions and been fortunate while doing so, they typically don’t have to make rash decisions when faced with challenges. Once they do make a decision, they typically have the resources to maneuver.
Once again, I thought this was a website for a hobby, one that frankly isn’t a requirement for survival....which classifies it as a luxury. Therefore I assume that those who frequent this website can afford these luxuries. If they can’t, then that isn’t my bucket of excrement to carry.
In short, we can coexist but I refuse to accept the outrage of anyone who happens to be outraged at the idea that I’m not outraged.
It seems some people dont know that babies died in Sri Lanka too...And dont understand why this is so right now...
It seems some people dont know that all that come from insane political agenda of Trudeau/Biden preparing that years ago...
It seems some are so well versed in insignificant political Democrat/republican facts but they dont give a dam about the rest of the world...Like Romans unconcious just before their demise that Roman politic became more and more meaningless by their own hands...
Is it not insane politic to create an enemy when there is none, and putting this created new enemy in the arm of another enemy but this time a more real one ?
Is this a democrat/republican question?
Trudeau is not a democrat nor a republican...But where Trudeau learned his politic and how and by who matter for us Canadians ...
For Biden he is the worst kind of bureaucrat... What is worst Commode emperor or Heliogabale? They were puppets of their own madness to begin with ... We see it right now...
Empire died by their internal actions way before they died by some external actions...
This is 2 minutes videos very instructive one...About Scott Ritter claiming after his own official investigation there is no arms of massive destruction in Iraq and one of the man who want a war at all cost...
You said you read the article, yet you're still singing the same song. Tell you what: let's wait and see what some enterprising investigative reporters come up with and see how things come out in the rinse.
Dollars to donuts, all who decried this situation will have moved on and forgotten about this when its' all revealed, as usual.
We all know what is good versus evil right? Telling the truth is good. Lying is evil. Spreading lies is among the worst things you can do. Also cheating and degrading or harming others. Not to mention an untamed ego. It’s not that complicated. Watch out for those guys! The truth comes out in the end. Time will tell. A starting point anyhow. Stick to fundamentals and it will all work out for the best in the end. Best chance by far in any case.
i usually don’t involve myself in internet arguments these days. It’s wasted energy with little reward.
I work in healthcare and have to see the impact of this shortage on parents everyday right now.. The dismissal of it as no big deal is detached from reality.
That being said, even though there is vehement disagreement on this thread I certainly don’t think anyone is evil or acting malicious.
@mapmanWe all know what is good versus evil right? Telling the truth is good. Lying is evil. Spreading lies is among the worst things you can do. Also cheating and degrading or harming others. Not to mention an untamed ego....
Unfortunately, study after study indicates that people use the internet to bond with their tribe and not to learn. Moronic behavior.
If that many people are in trouble because they cannot get formula, then maybe we should have kept part of the republican tax give away a couple of years ago to support social programs or, better yet, actually try to solve what caused the social network to exist in the first place.
Stock buybacks make the rich richer....bet there is no hunger problems for those folks. Can you say US senators with no term limits?
Sorry if I offended anybody.
And are a lack of Russian tubes that big a deal - I mean are they really that good?
I'm not exactly sure about why you posted that old video of Joe Biden speaking to a man in senate chambers, and it's not important, but I find it truly striking how much more mentally capable he obviously was at that time, and it is just frightening to compare that with his speech and behavior now, and to realize that no matter what your party affiliation, you must see that our president is clearly suffering from clinical dementia. He will never be healthy enough for a second term.
We need to stop nominating, electing and re-electing old people who would be long retired anywhere else. Applies to all parties. We need smart young talent not over the hill “ billionaire” dinosaurs. Get the best not the lowest common denominator that sets the lowest bar possible.
We should draft the president and the only disqualifier initially should be to exclude anyone who wants the job. We seem to be forced to choose between the second dirtiest shirt and the dirtiest shirt in the hamper.
The job of any politician, including the president, is that of a custodian. What we need is to elect eminently qualified custodians and not dangerous demagogues who wish to take us back to the dark ages.
For every advance we make, there are those who wish to take it away and those who just love to cheerlead them on because it hurts or harms others. That's a real, bonafide pathology and anyone of that disposition should be weeded out and banned from holding public office. But it's much too late for that.
As for Joe Biden, he's not good at public speaking but he still has all his marbles. Just ask any Republican who's discussed matters with him in private. They all say he's sharp as a tack and can't be fooled by the same tactics they use on their cult.
Some of you remind me of the fake News reporter standing in front of burning buildings, talking about the peaceful BLM riot taking place.. Totally out of touch with reality.
We need to stop nominating, electing and re-electing old people who would be long retired anywhere else. Applies to all parties. We need smart young talent not over the hill “ billionaire” dinosaurs. Get the best not the lowest common denominator that sets the lowest bar possible.
I've spent the past 5 years interacting with various "unite" groups -- including my own. Identifying, acknowledging and celebrating our common links and connections (humanity) is a major segment of our work. Encouraging unapologetic, firebreathing partisans to talk (and, listen) to each other is another segment. Its a bit like trying to blow on a bowl of chili to cool it off -- while it's still in the microwave.
Here's what I've learned:
- we have a truth crisis. I have developed a "partisan scale". The further to the extremes this extends the less willing we are to seek the truth. Some call it "risk tolerance". Until we have to courage to call out our own for wrong doing and/or incompetence, the cycle of trying to solve problems is highly compromised, to the degree where we intentionally create them. This cycle will repeat until we a) fix it, or b) go up (or, down) in flames. I have developed a dictionary of Lies. Included is "True Lies" whereby factually correct, yet intellectually dishonest statements or actions intentionally apply the wrong context, omit relevant information, quote other "true lies" as a valuable resource, or imply that dots can be connected when there is no factual basis. This gets a "pass" because noone is "lying". I find it intersting to observe the phenomena where the IQ level of highly educuated, very intellingent individuals drops by 40% (or more) when the subject moves to politics. Facts don't matter. Being right matters.
- The shelf life and voracity of a conspiracy theory is wholly dependant on who is in control of the information at the time. It has no bearing on actual facts. Actual "conspiracies" with circular references, criminal intent, and immeasurable harm can be proped up, and sustained for years (and, counting). Real events that are world-changing, fact based, verified, and corraborated can be brushed aside, or canceled -- labeled as "conspiracy theories", or "misinformation". (see comments above)
- Policians never stop campaigning. It's impossible to spread a message of unity when the goal is to totally annihilate, discredit, lie about, and demonize all things and people connected to the "other side". Winning for "the party" is the singular objective.
- History will show that highly flawed individuals can by competant public servants. The contrast will also show that highly moral, ethical, empathetic, and caring individuals can make the world a more dangerous place. The fact that Steve Jobs was mean boss and a terrible father probably had little impact on whether our not you purchased a smart phone.
Suggestions for potentially "heated" conversations:
When someone you care about says something politically that fires you up, try this: "You're a good person, and I'm sure you supported your party/candidate/politican for the right reasons, not the wrong reasons."
Let your friends be "wrong". You may KNOW you're "right". Let it go.
Remember that a problem is like an AC motor, It keeps spinning as long as there is a "push" and a "pull". Remove either, and the motor stops spinning. It's your call to insert, or remove the push or pull. Or, keep that motor spinning.
Forums like things bring out our humanity, and I can't overestimate their value. I've learned a lot about audio, philosophy, religion, and living from some of the smartest people I've even been in contact with on this forum.
you must see that our president is clearly suffering from clinical dementia
@roxy54no, you must have missed the news that Dr. Bonespurs lost the election and is no longer POTUS. I do understand your concern about his ideas related to sunlight enemas and disinfectant injections and airports in the Revolutionary War and windmills causing cancer and Americans having to flush toilets 10 to 15 times and nuclear attacks on hurricanes and drawing on NWS maps with his crayons and etc and etc, but you can relax now because he actually lost the last election.
Some of you remind me of the fake News reporter standing in front of burning buildings, talking about the peaceful BLM riot taking place.. Totally out of touch with reality.
Glad to provide the laughs @nonoise. I thought it ridiculously funny that anyone would say it was peaceful protest when there was a raging fire in the background. I thought, "only a fool would believe him." I'm sure that doesn't describe you though...does it?
But there again my statement is not refutable. Just like @immatthewjcouldn't refute @russ69assertion.
Who gives a shyt about a news report from two years ago about a protest that turned into a riot... It's not like it was an insurrection or anything that stupid! Besides finding joy in absurdly pointing out the absurd, what else do you enjoy? Life's too short to be miserable, pacing about a barcalounger filled cozy suburban house, yelling at people from behind a window to "get off my lawn".
Weekends are supposed to be for relaxing and listening to your stereo and not for starting off so ugly (and stupid) so early in the day.
Since you brought it up, check out law enforcement stats and you'll see that 93% of all BLM protests have been peaceful. Now counter that with Jan 6th (also known as white boy day) and take another sip of whatever you're drinking.
When you're done with that, check out some recent history about all the Black cities destroyed, Blacks killed and property and possessions taken. Turns out that practically every single time Blacks made something of themselves, built businesses, acquired generational wealth and prospered, white mobs took it all from them. Now juxtapose that to the kind of damage done in protests to extrajudicial killings and while you're at it, compare it to what ordinary sports fans do when their teams win.
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