What about conversations with people who are lying? Lots of tall tales told on this site.
Why so many angry audiophiles?
Just wondering. Music is supposed to soothe the soul. If you are in reasonably good health for your age, have a good system and good music to play on it you have it pretty good it seems to me. These are blessings! Be thankful for what you got?
Just a thought. That's how I see it.
Just a thought. That's how I see it.
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Because we spend so much money on our systems and are always looking for that last ounce of improvement and are rarely satisfied. I hope to be one day...but then I will hear about a new dac, powerchord, etc...and well you know what comes next. Being an audiophile and OCD is a bad combo I have found. |
Some people have their priorities in the wrong place. In the end, this is just stuff that produces temporary endorphins and none of it really matters. People have two common strong traits. They don't like when you question their tribal possessions and beliefs (teams, religions, possessions, etc.), and they don't like to feel stupid. The stronger those beliefs or lack of self-esteem to admit their mistakes, the stronger they will argue to protect them even if it's obvious they are dead wrong. It's not just audiophiles. It happens in every "immersive" topic. It's not going to change anytime soon. |
as a generality, i don’t think that audiophiles are an angry bunch i do think that the anonymity of an internet forum using ’handles’ with minimal self disclosure allows people to be sharper and more direct with their comments than would be in real life if personal interaction and knowing real identities are a factor i also think there are some small number of frequent posters here who engender irritation and anger of many others, whom are otherwise quite classy, courteous and respectful on the forum -- we all know who these folks are... i won’t delve into armchair psychology of why these people are what they are on this forum -- many forums have them, some forums find a way of rejecting these folks or get them to improve their behavior -- this board seems not so effective in doing that |
I have but i cannot discuss that here.... It is difficult to discuss simple audio concept sometimes here without being mocked, imagine a complex one like those linked to "an historical era " ? Imagine that "political ideas" are not sufficient at all to understand an historical critical period....How to convey that without being treated by all names here ? I can give hope perhaps, time is short and eternity is blissful.... But saying that to someone who has lost much or to those near someone who has lost his life do not help.... I am afraid only silent compassion can help..... My best to you.... |
I made my account in 2005. The simple truth is that this place has been getting worse for at least the past five years. More bickering and cock fighting and less community, cooperation, and enjoyment. Unfortunately the constant efforts by various posters to prove their individual superiority has driven away so many. Sadly, it's the best people who leave. I don't really feel there's any sense of community left. I still read because there's really not a better place to learn about gear and poll user experiences, but it becomes less enjoyable every year. I've taken to calling out people when they destroy useful conversations by pulling out the measuring tape. I doubt this will make any difference, but knowing what Audiogon's trajectory is made me decide it was worth the effort. Education without condescension. I just wish we could all cooperate in a community effort to make the most people have the best music reproduction possible. Music is one of humanity's greatest treasures and anything we can do to get more people to enjoy it (or enjoy it more) is really a noble act. I guess it's just too much fun to troll, mock, and fight to actually help one another move towards that goal. |
Anger is a rational response to current events, and to the failures of others to recognise them for what they are. One half of our nation has been lied to by the media they consume, and had their worst impulses cultivated by those that see political advantage in greed, divisiveness, and xenophobia. The other half recoils in horror at the base venality, and anger at the incompetence and injustice. I live in the UK, by the way |
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It would take a week or two to clear it up and a periodic head on a pike on the ramparts (add flies to the visuals, if felt to be appropriate). Then it might ake the forum a month or two to get back up to speed. I’m not talking about banning, but to make it clear to the angry nasty negative poofers, that their consistent sputum is not welcome. that every time they do it, they get cut and warned. For a few weeks. Enough to make it stick. And to be on a naughty list, where past offenses are held - pending trial. Where the wording of the post does not have to be nice and even the most accomplished at damaging others, can do it without a single bad word or meaning included in the text given. It’s an art. Those people need be discerned and put on notice as well. To ruin the spirit of the forum, whilst following the letter.... You must all be happy. At gunpoint. So there. |
There are trolls that purposely attempt to disrupt a conversation with misinformation given in an authoritative context. They can then argue their point until the opposition wears down and capitulates. I’ve been involved in a few of those and yes, I get testy. Plus people are generally angry over COVID and the political events of the past few years, regardless of their affiliation. Yes, we live in the land of plenty and have plenty to be tankful for, but many feel those freedoms and cornicopia are being eroded or compromised by uncaring individuals in business and government. And, it just may be that the protagonist just didn’t get it from his wife/girlfriend/boyfriend last night. |
I dont know your musical culture, but no audiophile use Bach or Scriabin mainly and only to test his audio system... 😁 By the way for an educated musician or audiophile, testing natural timbre is almost immediate experience... When all is right we listen the music not the sound....Dont trust urban jokes too much....An audiophile, save a few neurotical obsessive mind that focus on compulsive upgrading purchase chaising their tails, are only musically educated people.... When you know how to embed your audio system by the way, you dont really need to upgrade.... I know i am an audiophile.... |
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I'll tell you what makes me angry, coming on this forum to read threads that have gone political, or social justice. I mean come on. This is an AUDIO forum. If I want to hear or read about that shyte I can go basically anywhere else in life and have to put up with that garbage, the news, social media, late night TV, professional sports, movies. This is and should be a place to get away from all that for a little while. Our own little space to avoid that and discuss a hobby that we love. For those of you who insist on bringing those subjects to this forum, I say, you are ruining it for everyone else. If it keeps up, oh well, I've lived several decades without this forum and can go several more without it. My $0.02 |
Free Speech is under siege. The younger generations don’t like dissent. “Your words are hurting me”, “I don’t feel safe”, etc. Couple that with the ubiquitous tendency for people to get aggressive during Internet arguments in a way that they wouldn’t in real life, and therefore create a need for moderation, and soon every discussion will be limited to total uniformity. |
I am almost certain that the
answer is because most audiophiles score lower than average on what
psychologists define as trait agreeableness.
Agreeableness is the degree to which your behaviour towards others is motivated by the desire to like and be liked by other people. As a highly agreeable person, if you don't agree with someone you are more likely to just smile and say something nice rather than pick a fight with them.
Agreeableness correlates strongly with an interest in people - so the majority of individuals who work in people or care giving fields such as health care, hospitality, teaching etc, score higher than the average for the population on trait agreeableness.
Lower levels of agreeability correlate strongly with an interest in things - so the majority of people who are engineers, mechanics, industrial designers, inventors etc score lower and agreeableness than the average for the population.
Audiophiles tend to be the latter and therefore don't tend to smile sweetly when they disagree with someone, they tend to say what they think and say it with a sugar free coating!
As an additional insight, the most disagreeable people in the world, say the bottom 4%, are close to 100% of the prison population! They are also almost exclusively men whereas the top 5% of the most agreeable people in the population are exclusively female.
Men and women differ on agreeableness by about 1.5-2SD depending on which tool you use to make the measurement. It is why the majority of audiophiles and most engineers are male and the reverse is true for teaching, nursing, hospitality etc.
There are some very robust papers that explore the idea of ‘Men with things, women with people’ if you care to look for them. |
Catch & release. Fillet fish. Make fish soup. (Flounder or halibut makes for a default to #1.....) Don't understand the 'anger'....I thought 'enjoyment' and 'exchange' was the concepts to be pursued. *sigh* Wrong yet again... As one who 'goes against the grain' in general in pursuit or conduct, that I may have been silenced by some is Your call, Your option. In a era where some have decided that trampling and ransacking a public building, threatening those who've been elected to (perhaps) be our advocates there...I find deplorable at minimum. Unfortunately...expected. Trying times, indeed. Any public venue and adventure has drifted into 'us vs. them', easily devolving into teethgritting shouting matches and the clenched fist. All in all....send me the tab for a round. I'll stay home, and play something appropo...and drink alone. Cheers...:( Enjoy your bitters.... |
audio2design711 posts01-12-2021 9:14pmI've already thrown that one back twice already. It keeps jumping back on the hook. |
I’ve already thrown that one back twice already.People here are not fish you can keep and reject... Arguments, yours or mine, must be logical, but way more than that, we must truthfully try to understand them .,.. Bashing people is not an argument in my book... People are not all stupid because they are "audiophiles"... «Humility is better than intelligence, in the first case we never cease to learn, in the last case we already know»- a fish who dont want to be a fisherman |
I think the same, and one time i even make a comparison with one of my friend and the difference were , if there is one, we were never sure, minute one.... This is not a proof at all by far.... I understand then those who prefer vinyl in totally other conditions than mine....But i think also that on all counts it is better.... |
