@dadork Truer words could not be said. Their little internet fiefdom.
Why Do You Post?
I come here to poke fun ONLY... No need for tech talk. AG could care less. I'm trying to draw the TROLLS out.. I'm bored.
This is what someone posted in an active thread. I'm dumbfounded!
I come to Audiogon to learn and share information, keep abreast of audiophile happenings and to gain exposure or insight into music. I thought I was in the majority camp of users, but based upon the above quote, could be I'm not.
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Lloves twisting things around to suit his point of view. In the beginning, my speaking up to bullies and blowhards only served to get my posts deleted so stop with the hypocrisy. Do you and your ilk think this was some playground just for you? Do you hear it at home and work as well? Well, maybe, it’s you. It was the ones who sought power and dominance over others here that ran afoul of the mods, who didn’t take sides here and merely weighed the evidence and adjudicated as they saw fit. And, I applaud their decision. Too bad they had to take the role of your parents and set you down for some time outs and when necessary, banish some. All the best, |
A couple of quotes. "Trust those who seek the truth, but doubt those who say they found it." Andre Gide. "Progress is impossible without change, and those that cannot change their minds cannot change anything." G.B.Shaw I doubt the removal of a few irritating internet disruptors is a threat to Western Civilization. If you think so please retire to your bunker. |
@nonoise … Just So |
Dealer, dealer, dealer. Some of them tell you they are dealers. Some of them pretend they are not. They come in a group, supporting each other, trash talk/diss other objective opinions for a single purpose, i.e., promoting their products. In order to hide their identity or association with a particular product, they do the "product placement" into a seemingly tech talk subject. You can find the story repeating itself over and over again here. |
I initially joined after reading a post by @prof a few years back. He seemed to be one of the very few who were even talking about timbre and tonal colour when it came to audio playback. That really made an impression on me and I decided to join as a result. I also thought that by sharing some of my mistakes with others, it might save them from falling into similar traps.
@teo_audio -------- I try to help people understand how to get a realistic, actual musically correct signal to come out of their gear.
How the human ear works so they learn how to listen
How the mind works on connection to hearing so they can learn to listen past and through their internal filters and faults. None of this is simple, until it becomes instinct and such. that 10,000 hr thing. ~~~~~~~~ In such scenarios, the key point is the fixing of the self, the growth of the self -above and beyond all else. which people in general are loathe to do, they’d rather shoot and destroy everything around them, instead of that. Growth is painful (literally painful, seriously) as it requires the death of the old to occur first so the new can fit in.
There is no fix, for any of this in being a necessity and ’a way’ (this is the way), as we all learn differently and we all have different minds, we all hear differently and we all take a different path up the mountain. Ie, that people spouting a singular story ("this is what I do, etc") is just us playing the ego echo chamber game of self reflection and hoping we get no hatred when we speak and expose our frailty to the world. So there is no such thing and never will be of one single method of learning new things. There are as many ways of learning as there are people in the world and the best we can get to is forms of/in generalism, with manifold examples, in manifold directions. Thus, due to all of the above..I change how it say it, often, almost in a form of rotation, just talking around the subject in various different methods and ways.
to take it to a next level of complexity, the problem is that it is forums, so it is further removed from full and proper communication so misinterpretation and reflection of one’s own ego and emotions somehow being read in my message, is the norm. (not what I said, or what I meant, but how the reader feels) That’s how forums work.
To add, music is not about logic, or bettering the self through trial and error, it is about blanking out and pleasuring the self. Engaging the monkeys timelss joy in moving to the beat or getting lost in the ethereal aspects of loss of time and pressures. Which is the opposite of self control and considerations.
So we can get people’s blind and rejecting ugly side as a norm, on audio forums, if we inject the tension of discussion and argument in what is essentially a very complex multi-faceted scenario of high quality audio reproduction in one’s own home.
Getting high and getting off is a complex affair. In this case, chock full of individualism and a lack of understanding, yet we all seek peaks, peaks that require all of that.
Your words are unfortunately true, at least in my experience. I guess the lure of free advertising is too strong for some to resist. Nevertheless, if their words are held up to scrutiny perhaps a certain sense of balance can be maintained here. Ultimately it’s the reader that decides what they want to take away from here, we can only try to help.
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I like to learn different points of view and new things. I can share my experience of what's worked for me and also met some new friends. Picked up lots of info on benefits of phono stages, importance of speaker placement and room acoustics and isolation/vibration control which have helped my system tremendously. Also learned about some overpriced tweaks that some huge spenders will try because they represent a ridiculously low % of their audio investment and any infinitesimal improvement (audible or not) is worth a lot to them. Not to start a war but things like fuses, HFTs, coatings, etc. Love hearing cable debates - hysterical. Of course they impact sound, but how much will you spend for how much improvement? I never doubt when someone thinks something improves the sound for them. If they think it does in their mind, then it does FOR THEM. The absolute measurement guys are funny too. Just because you can measure it doesn't mean you can hear, appreciate, and value it. |
Most of my time is spent working or with my family. The little time I get for a hobby has been dedicated to audio for over a decade now. I am a music lover at heart. I have made many mistakes, made poor purchases, wasted money; you know, the well trodden path of the audiofool. I post when I think it might help someone else out there who is on the same path to ruin. Still have no idea what I am doing but the journey has had its moments. |
I've been here over 20 years posting, buying and selling. I've come a looong way in audio since I started here, and I'm grateful for the kindness, help and patience of the members that have helped me along the way. I've seen lots of guys come and go. Some got burned out and left, never to return. Some have actually died. Some sold all of their equipment and actually left hifi altogether. But still, "The 'Gon" soldiers on, and I'm still here....and I'll be here as long as I need advice and ideas about my rig and its improvement. I'm a jazz fanatic, and I've found lots of kindred spirits here. "The 'Gon" ain't perfect, but it's still my favorite hifi spot by a mile. |
@mitch4t +1 |
"Who knew access to all of the world’s knowledge would make people dumber because people have no idea what knowledge is and are instead amused and give credence to a put down from a troll rather than thinking."
Perhaps humans have always been a little like that? Existence can be challenging and entertainers have always been highly valued and rewarded as a result of providing us all with a little distraction from time to time (you could even argue that this hobby is exactly like that). How else do we explain a footballer getting paid a 1000 times more than a paramedic? Of course if you or your loved one is lying on the floor with a broken leg your perspective might be a little different... That might be the one and only time when the value of knowledge gains a little in comparison with entertainment. |
Actually, if I'm honest, many times I've read a comment here which got me thinking about better ways to enhance the kit without spending a ton of money. (Notwithstanding, nothing makes a better stereo than a better stereo) However, for example, my floor is extremely unstable. Hence, the tips on creating a suspended platform for my turntable, and now sub, and CD player....eventually yielded profound results. Getting my Lascalas up upon foam pads made a huge difference. So if I'm willing to admit it, many of you have helped this blue collar audiophile to live above my pay grade. Thank you everyone. |
I like reading about new gear, I will often chime in with my experiences or opinions. I will always try to help a fellow music lover troubleshoot or give advice if I think it will help. I am a very private person and forums let me be more of an extrovert. I am mostly humble but like showing off new toys once in a while
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@oddiofyl that's not just a new toy, it's a shiny new toy that glows in the dark! |
