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Those Finns are a laugh a minute, becoming one with nature - thanks for sharing.
Those Finns are a laugh a minute, becoming one with nature - thanks for sharing.
Who says cables don't make a difference?
Funny, after all these years, people still say things like "you wasted all that money on cables".
There are still those who believe cables don't make a difference.
I once did marketing for a cable line I consider to be about the best-Stealth Audio Cables.
One CES, I walked the rooms with the designer/owner, Serguei Timachev. He carried a pair of his then new Indra interconnects. Going from room to room he asked the room runners to replace their source to preamp IC with the Indra. There was not one that was not completely flabbergasted and said that the Indras blew away what they were using. That was the skyrocketing of Indra and Stealth. The Indra became one of the best reviewed cables ever.
Serguei now makes the Sakra-an IC that blows away the Indra!
I don't understand why some still do not value cables as much as I.
There are still those who believe cables don't make a difference.
I once did marketing for a cable line I consider to be about the best-Stealth Audio Cables.
One CES, I walked the rooms with the designer/owner, Serguei Timachev. He carried a pair of his then new Indra interconnects. Going from room to room he asked the room runners to replace their source to preamp IC with the Indra. There was not one that was not completely flabbergasted and said that the Indras blew away what they were using. That was the skyrocketing of Indra and Stealth. The Indra became one of the best reviewed cables ever.
Serguei now makes the Sakra-an IC that blows away the Indra!
I don't understand why some still do not value cables as much as I.
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What's funny is making a post expecting everyone to agree with you, then being shocked when they do not. Your post at some level was an inane rant after all. mglik OP112 posts07-06-2020 12:50pmHard to believe the inane rant that this thread has devolved! |
Your post at some level was an inane rant after all.I dont think so....But your post is also a free attack....Take a mirror and look at you first....Your religion against cable change is not better than some cable zealot.... I dont like "cables thread arguing" because simple listening decide this matter....And you are right tough about the too much money people invest in cables, i am with you there at least.... :) But in any resolving audio system, many cables dont sound exactly the same and many cables are way better, some worse... The debate is closed for me after that.... :) |
mahgister, I don't have a religion. Religion would imply faith without evidence. My views on cables are anything but faith without evidence, and my views on cables are consistent; past a relatively low dollar value, the gains are essentially 0 if competently designed and don't induce issues with the amplifier. |
I don’t have a religion. Religion would imply faith without evidence.Religious people have plenty of evidences in any religions.... Read about that to be enlightened... For me active atheists are like believers, the two look for evidences and discover plenty of them to confort their opposite and faith beliefs... I am more a sceptic who experiment or read and think....I dont like technological or religious dogmas.... I listen to some cable for example and my ears know....No need for a superficial theory....We dont know much us humans.... |
Djones51, You can’t find evidence to support a negative (I.E. that a diety doesn’t exist) because you can’t prove a negative. Those who believe in a deity can prove that the deity exists by simply producing said deity. However, one cannot prove that the deity does not exist by NOT being able to produce a deity. That’s how faith works. IOW, to the faithful, no evidence is necessary, and to a non-believer, no evidence is possible. |
I’m not following your logic. I’m an atheist but I’ve never looked for any evidence to support it. I’m not sure where I would look or why.The religious see signs of his god anywhere....The atheist has the blinders that make him unable to see more than one idea or object at times...His faith is so powerful that he look at everything seeing sings of inexistence everywhere... My logic is a slave of my heart....And my heart is thirsty for truth...I dont give a dam for religion nor atheism or materialism.... They are the same superstition or faith for me on different guise....They are idols.... « We must pray thinking that God does not exist» Simone Weil |
"boxer12, I already know you are Andy2, but why this attempt to deflect by making it all about me when you can't participate in the discussion? It's not my fault. Stop blaming me for your inadequacies." atdavid (roberttdid), We both know I'm not Andy2 & I've stated as much. Although I've never met Andy2, I'll say he & I do have some things in common. We have the ability to actually hear music through our systems, make cable changes & identify differences when doing so. You seem to be content just reading the specs of your equipment & building a system in that manner. That is one way of doing it so fair enough. That stated, there is not enough common ground between us to have a reasonable discussion on this topic. Now why do you keep changing your name? |
I am quite confident to state that i have done far more listening tests in my life so far then you will ever do. It is a good part of how I have spent my career. Hard to design acoustic spaces without listening (especially for critical customers). Hard to design products that incorporate acoustics and electronics without listening, especially when you are trying to trade off many variables that are highly subjective. Of course, I don't just throw on a record or play a file and go "how does it sound", because my customers could have done that. I did professional controlled listening tests both to remove bias, and to make customers clearly aware of the trade-offs, changes, potential for signal processing to modify perceptive space, bandwidth/cost trade-offs, etc. That came rather easily having done actual research in audio, signal processing and acoustics. You will notice I tend not to talk in hand waving but discuss actual engineering concepts. You can claim you are not Andy2, but the similarities are too great, including posting about the same time as well. Similar writing styles, saying similar things. Why do you make so many posts, yet never bring any useful information to the table? You and others who make laughable statements about choosing systems by measurements must be really insecure. Perhaps you know what I know, that people who are heavy into the technology and engineering of audio don't do a little bit of listening testing. They do huge amounts of listening testing. They are obsessed with listening and detecting the slightest hints of anything wrong, or off, and why it is happening. Difference is .... they start by assuming both their equipment and their ears are wrong, then work towards figure out which is which. They don't assume their ears\brain are perfect, knowing far too well they are not. Sometimes I have to work hard to just enjoy music as I become too focused on what is wrong, and not just enjoying what is right. I know all kinds about all kinds of music customers, from concert hall owners, to concert goers, to musicians, to studio managers, to speaker designers, to people who design DAC chips, even streaming service providers, and yes, to end customers. You on the other hand know little about my world, and the people who actually develop and work with this technology and the measurements you like to put down. You may want to consider your ignorance in this area before making ignorant comments. |
“There's a sucker born every minute.”
― P.T. Barnum "you may fool people for a time; you can fool a part of the people all the time; but you can’t fool all the people all the time.” ... possibly said by Lincoln, possibly not, but I would rather be in the group of people who are not fooled all the time :-) |
I am not this mahgister.... He is an a..h... but i am not one.. We use the same computer, his computer... But we dont speak to each other.... He knows that all audio is engineering facts only...Myself i work it with stones and cheap E.C. and materials to create wonder sound.... He thinks i am deluded or deaf... I think that he thinks too much of himself.... I dont like this mahgister at all.... I prefer the other one, the truest one, myself.... :) Someday i will buy my own computer..... By the way i am the right side of this brain, he is only the left side.... « Under the loving sun, hate is like a passing cloud my dear»-Groucho Marx |
roberttdid “There’s a sucker born every minute.” ― P.T. Barnum >>>>Ack chew ally P.T. Barnum never said that. What he did say is “people would generally be much better off if they believed in too much rather than too little.” Which kind of clashes with your whole worldview, I might add. I don’t know why every pseudo skeptic down through the ages uses that quote as if it means something profound. It doesn’t. P.T. Barnum also famously said, “The noblest art is making others happy.” |
roberttdid I am quite confident to state that i have done far more listening tests in my life so far then you will ever do. It is a good part of how I have spent my career. >>>>I reckon we should file that opening salvo under Appeals to Authority that went Clunk! Along with, “I’ve been in this hobby for more than 30 years so you can believe me when I say...” and “As a PhD in physics you can take my word it disobeys the laws of physics” and “I’ve had 50 systems in the last 40 years so you can trust me when I say....” Bonus comment: “I am quite confident to state?” Who talks like that? 😬 “Come in my son, be not afraid, let us double blind test together.“ 😂 😂 😂 |
I am he as you are he as you are me And we are all together See how they run like pigs from a gun See how they fly I'm crying Sitting on a corn flake Waiting for the van to come Corporation T-shirt, stupid bloody Tuesday Man you've been a naughty boy You let your face grow long I am the egg man They are the egg men I am the walrus Goo goo g'joob |
“Informed skepticism is an integral part of the scientific method, professional debunkers — often called ‘kneejerk skeptics’ — tend to be skeptics in name only, and to speak with little or no authority on the subject matter of which they are so passionately skeptical.” – Dan Drasin, author of Zen and the Art of Debunkery INTRODUCTION TO ZEN AND THE ART OF DEBUNKERYSo you’ve had a close encounter with a UFO or its occupants. Or maybe you’ve experienced an “impossible” healing, a perfectly cogent conversation with your dead uncle or an irrefutable demonstration of “free energy,” and you’ve begun to suspect that the official view of reality isn’t the whole picture. Mention any of these things to most working scientists and be prepared for anything from patronizing cynicism to merciless ridicule. After all, science is a purely hard-nosed enterprise that should have little patience for “expanded” notions of reality. Right? Wrong. Like all systems of truth-seeking, the scientific method, applied with integrity, has a profoundly expansive, liberating impulse at its core. This “Zen” in the heart of science is revealed when the practitioner sets aside arbitrary beliefs, cultural preconceptions and groupthink, and approaches the nature of things with “beginner’s mind.” Given the freedom to express itself, reality can speak freshly and freely, and can be heard more clearly. Appropriate testing and objective validation can then follow in due course. |
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It is rather cute that you quote "Zen and the art of debunkery". It was written by someone like you, jealous with no accomplishments in the sciences. Unable to earn the respect of actual scientists (see lack of accomplishments ) he devoted himself to attacking people who actually achieve success in the sciences, while continuing, you guessed it, to actually accomplish nothing. If this is who you want to quote, and you think the writings of this do nothing fellow charlatan matter ... Well then, have at it |
Oh, and I am rather flattered that you dedicated 4 long and meandering posts in response to me this morning. I usually only trigger you enough for 1 or 2. However, while you play with your magic pebbles I must get back to real audio sciency stuff. No worries, you can still share a story about sweeping floors or something at NASA to feel important. |
5 posts about me and it’s not even 8am yet? I feel all warm inside now. Wear your "skeptic" hat proudly even if it is a few sizes too small. Flat Earth believers are proud in their skepticism too. Oh just to let you know, that mirror most of us have that allows for self reflection? Yours appears to be broken. That may be why you are not able to go more than what 2 or 3 posts without and ad-hom. No worries, most other wanna be bullies think they are the victim too. |
That would make 6. We have a new record, and it’s not even noon yet. Do you normally get more triggered on a Tuesday morning? It would be helpful to let me know so I can maximize my ROI. Should I expect another episode of "Quotes from Questionable People that may you go huh?" I am not sure you can top that debunking site and it’s creator, but gosh darn I would love to see you try. If you have a personal relationship with Dan, could you pass a message on for me? Ghostbusters was meant as entertainment. It was not a documentary. Since 1995 Dan has been probing various aspects of the afterlife, including near-death experiences, out-of-body experiences, life-between-lives, and reincarnation. He also investigates communication with the “other side” via such means as mental mediumship, physical mediumship, spontaneous communication events and the use of technology (instrumental transcommunication). Following the passing of his partner Jane in 2007, Dan experienced a series of unmistakable communications from her. |