" And in my considerable experience, things like shungite, quartz, myrtlewood, and the like placed on top of electrical components such as amplifier transformers achieve their results through a pair of phenomena called confirmation bias and expectational bias."
Great, this again... Or, maybe they do shield the system from electromagnetic interference.
In regard to your statement about cheap IC’s not "adding anything" to the signal... If only. They add a level of harshness & haze to the signal that CAN BE eliminated with a cable of proper design. |
George wrote:
Boxer12;
I have ever made a comment about ICs, cheap or expensive. You have me confused with someone else, I’m afraid.
Boxers response:
No confusion on my part... you stated in an earlier post you are using "mycablemart" IC's and are satisfied with them. These are the definition of cheap cables.
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You're correct George, my mileage does vary. |
Dow Jones,
The last 5 motorcycles I've owned (3 BMW's, 1 Moto Guzzi, 1 Victory Twin) have all required break in.
Mitch2,
Is the answer they are all deaf?
robertdid,
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I will put my listening skills up against yours any day. This is what I do .... Except I listen and measure. I even have other people listen ... Lots and lots of people over many years. I have even written papers on critical Subjective listening."
Weird... These are the same qualifications that "atdavid" had. Now go away.
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atdavid (robertwhatever),
This is audio, so hardly my "world view". Now why do you keep changing your name? |
robertwhatever,
It’s a "yes" or "no" question in regard to if you’re the same person as atdavid.
BTW, Andy & I are not the same person |
robertwhatever,
Nice deflection but you failed to answer my question.
Please advise
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I believe that glupson.
pfhjvb0,
As stated earlier in this thread, lack of applicable cable measurements is the crux of this debate. Those that hear a difference (myself included), hear a difference. Those that don't, continually throw around the psychological placard as the reason. |
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"boxer12, I already know you are Andy2, but why this attempt to deflect by making it all about me when you can't participate in the discussion? It's not my fault. Stop blaming me for your inadequacies."
atdavid (roberttdid),
We both know I'm not Andy2 & I've stated as much. Although I've never met Andy2, I'll say he & I do have some things in common. We have the ability to actually hear music through our systems, make cable changes & identify differences when doing so. You seem to be content just reading the specs of your equipment & building a system in that manner. That is one way of doing it so fair enough. That stated, there is not enough common ground between us to have a reasonable discussion on this topic.
Now why do you keep changing your name? |
Is there a "bat signal" that goes up on cable denier sites every time Audiogon has a cable related thread? Just wondering... |
Thyname,
If you offend him he'll call you names & post his credentials. Please apologize immediately before he posts 4 more paragraphs about why we are so blessed to have him on this forum. |
"As has been shown over and over, measurements are not always an indicator of good sound."
Agreed. Some day science may catch up to our little hobby & figure out what to measure that correlates well to the human ear/brain. |
^^^^^ Or maybe you haven't tried the right cables in your system yet... |
Why so bitter atdavid (robertwhatever)? It's almost like you believe high end audio is a scam. Have you thought about another hobby? |
"Is that the real problem boxer12? ... that you only have some hobby level experience, but I have educational, research and practical experience in electronics, signal processing and acoustics? ... does it make you feel inadequate?"
Nope. I'm enjoying this hobby
Question:
Do you really think people feel inadequate around you? The reason I'm asking is you've stated that a couple times now & it couldn't be farther from the truth. You seem to have disdain for audiophiles which is unusual since that's what this forum caters too.
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atdavid (robertwhatever) is now acting like a victim who is being bullied. Isn't that rich. |
"What is hilarious is between you, whatshisname, dandy2, ISO, etc. you still can’t make a reasonable argument between all of you. All you have are personal insults."
To be fair david, you have called everyone on that list ignorant. So there is that...
Please understand that many (most?) audiophiles use there ears as a guide to what sounds best in there system(s). They do that regardless of measurements telling them there shouldn't be a difference. That is the crux of it, & it ends up as a circular argument as those that cannot tell the difference tell those that do it's simply bias, placebo, waste of money, wishful thinking, whatever.
I can tell you wholeheartedly that cables & tweaks make my system shine. Does it sound good without them? Yes... but it sounds a lot better with them in place.
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Mill, +1 for "Random Interboob" |
^^^ No doubt. I've asked him a few times why he keeps changing his name. No answer... |
Nope david, he just acted exactly like you. Also, as stated before... no one feels inadequate around you. That's just your ego talking (again). |
There goes your ego again. Very predictable. |
Are you trying humor now? IME, engineering humor tends to be a bit dry. Nice try though. |
I did bring my ears. Remember? (You stated that above) |
I have a few SET amps as well. Don't use them anymore due to my speakers, but still can't bring myself to selling them. You're right, there is magic their. |
Well, nothing that you want to acknowledge anyway. Let me break it down for you (If I say slowly, would that be rude):
We (like most audiophiles) use our ears to make decisions of what is best for us. Measurements are secondary (as they should be) |
BTW, The reason I recommended a "pro-audio" site for you is so you'd be able to flash your credentials around (& undoubtedly impress the heck out them), slap each other on the back about how good Belden cable is, & would never have to use your ears.
Perfect fit.
I'll always have your best interest in mind david
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So rude david (but at least your not trying humor again). I bet they would love you on one of the pro-audio sites. |
Sounds like you have a great system montanapbn! |
Wow, atdavid (robertwhatever) deleted a lot of his posts from last night. Must have felt they were inadequate or something... Interesting indeed. |
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