Who says cables don't make a difference?


Funny, after all these years, people still say things like "you wasted all that money on cables". 
There are still those who believe cables don't make a difference.
I once did marketing for a cable line I consider to be about the best-Stealth Audio Cables. 
One CES, I walked the rooms with the designer/owner, Serguei Timachev. He carried a pair of his then new Indra interconnects. Going from room to room he asked the room runners to replace their source to preamp IC with the Indra. There was not one that was not completely flabbergasted and said that the Indras blew away what they were using. That was the skyrocketing of Indra and Stealth. The Indra became one of the best reviewed cables ever.
Serguei now makes the Sakra-an IC that blows away the Indra!
I don't understand why some still do not value cables as much as I.
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I love the smell of cable threads in the morning.

Now cable breaking-in threads ... that's the smell of napalm.  

But I do notice some improvement.  Before it was like "cables don't make any difference ... blah blah blah".  Now at least the difference is acknowledged to the tune of "difference but not worth the asking price".

I have a dream that one day cable-break-in will be accepted like one their own.
For some reasons, people believe in engine break-in, but not in cable break-in ... like these two exist in different universe and obeying different laws of physics.  

These threads all come to the same ... may I say happy endings lols.
I haven’t heard of engine break-in , in at least 25 or 30 years. They used to have break-in oil. That’s really going back.
One time I was test driving a brand new BMW M3, the car salesman sitting next to told me if I ever rev the engine above 4K, he would stop me immediately and would drive me back to the stealership.
P.s. Andy electrons always move. Maybe not far but they always move. Interconnects do not really heat up ... So not much friction. Any idea of the current densities?
I forgot you "copy and paste" from the best so my hats off to you.  

P.S.  Heat is measured on the Kelvin scale.  So even at room temperature, there's heat, but ... ahem ... this is just science ... 


That is weird! Especially with all those moving parts in cables. Just like a car engine.
The all have moving parts for sure.  Also the are all made of the same stuffs - electrons, neutrons, protons ...  which can all be affected by heat, frictions and so on.  
Care to tell me what "moves" in a cable during break in?
Electrons, copper molecules ... to name a few.  And they move because of heat and friction ... just like the cylinder rings changing its property due to heat and friction.
By the way, I am not boxer12.  I just want to "rectify" that misinformation :-).
Cables, and individual pieces of equipment are our tone controls in home audio
I would disagree with this statement.  Tone control is too broad an analogy.  
It interesting the username who demanded measurements has/have absolutely no background in engineering and got exposed lols.
Answer: They are (both) the happiest people in the world!
Ignorance is blissful lols.


Heck, I've must moved my seat about 1in. and it makes the world of difference.  
Did he pee on your cables or something?
Wait a minute.  Is this something he would do if he got triggered?  


Could it be that designers of those products do use measurements to some extent?
Yes, of course.  Any decent designer should use measurement.  The point is at the end, any good designer would have to listen, just like anyone, to tell whether it's a good product or not.  


I have to say boxer12 was extremely polite in his response which is something I am myself not capable of.

On the other hand, david was all over with his hands swing at all directions.  
Robert has been mysteriously absent lately.  His last few posts were complaining that people have been ganging up on him.  Maybe you guys were hurting his feeling.  
The cable budget would have to be proportional to the overall system cost. A $20K system with Belden is like buying a Ferrari and cheap out on the tires.  You don't want the cable to be the bottle-neck on the performance just as tires limiting the car cornering speed.
Is it possible that one can be fooled by Canare just as easily as by any other brands in cables?  If you're someone who distrusts cable, why would you believe Canare over any other brands.  So you are just as gullible as those who would blindly trust high end speaker cable.

How does one know that Canare is honest in their marketting tactic?

I suspect a lot of websites got paid by Belden to promote their cable and the only way to do that is to bad mouth other high-end cable manufacturers.  I mean I've had Belden before than they are nothing more than Home Depot wire repackaged as speaker cable.  In that respect, they are just as "snake oil" as everybody else.  
Here is a review of QED Signature Revelation which is not that much more expensive than Belden but better in every aspect. They use a very unique geometry that can’t be found from Home Depot.

https://www.qed.co.uk/qed-revelation-cable.html#tab1
What happened to Robert?  Haven't seen him posting lately.  Did he get banned?