roberttdid, roberttcan, atdavid, Ethan Winer, etc. are they all the same person or did hey just go to the same pseudo science academy?
Who says cables don't make a difference?
Funny, after all these years, people still say things like "you wasted all that money on cables".
There are still those who believe cables don't make a difference.
I once did marketing for a cable line I consider to be about the best-Stealth Audio Cables.
One CES, I walked the rooms with the designer/owner, Serguei Timachev. He carried a pair of his then new Indra interconnects. Going from room to room he asked the room runners to replace their source to preamp IC with the Indra. There was not one that was not completely flabbergasted and said that the Indras blew away what they were using. That was the skyrocketing of Indra and Stealth. The Indra became one of the best reviewed cables ever.
Serguei now makes the Sakra-an IC that blows away the Indra!
I don't understand why some still do not value cables as much as I.
There are still those who believe cables don't make a difference.
I once did marketing for a cable line I consider to be about the best-Stealth Audio Cables.
One CES, I walked the rooms with the designer/owner, Serguei Timachev. He carried a pair of his then new Indra interconnects. Going from room to room he asked the room runners to replace their source to preamp IC with the Indra. There was not one that was not completely flabbergasted and said that the Indras blew away what they were using. That was the skyrocketing of Indra and Stealth. The Indra became one of the best reviewed cables ever.
Serguei now makes the Sakra-an IC that blows away the Indra!
I don't understand why some still do not value cables as much as I.
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roberttdid Cleeds, Perhaps if some people, in the absence of being able to make and communicate a reasonable argument, just stepped back from their keyboard as opposed to resorting to insults that add nothing to the conversation, then yes. Till then .... I won’t apologize for defending myself. >>>>>So, besides begin a pseudo scientist you’re also a hypocrite? Makes sense, most of them are. |
“Informed skepticism is an integral part of the scientific method, professional debunkers — often called ‘kneejerk skeptics’ — tend to be skeptics in name only, and to speak with little or no authority on the subject matter of which they are so passionately skeptical.” – Dan Drasin, author of Zen and the Art of Debunkery INTRODUCTION TO ZEN AND THE ART OF DEBUNKERYSo you’ve had a close encounter with a UFO or its occupants. Or maybe you’ve experienced an “impossible” healing, a perfectly cogent conversation with your dead uncle or an irrefutable demonstration of “free energy,” and you’ve begun to suspect that the official view of reality isn’t the whole picture. Mention any of these things to most working scientists and be prepared for anything from patronizing cynicism to merciless ridicule. After all, science is a purely hard-nosed enterprise that should have little patience for “expanded” notions of reality. Right? Wrong. Like all systems of truth-seeking, the scientific method, applied with integrity, has a profoundly expansive, liberating impulse at its core. This “Zen” in the heart of science is revealed when the practitioner sets aside arbitrary beliefs, cultural preconceptions and groupthink, and approaches the nature of things with “beginner’s mind.” Given the freedom to express itself, reality can speak freshly and freely, and can be heard more clearly. Appropriate testing and objective validation can then follow in due course. |
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roberttdid I am quite confident to state that i have done far more listening tests in my life so far then you will ever do. It is a good part of how I have spent my career. >>>>I reckon we should file that opening salvo under Appeals to Authority that went Clunk! Along with, “I’ve been in this hobby for more than 30 years so you can believe me when I say...” and “As a PhD in physics you can take my word it disobeys the laws of physics” and “I’ve had 50 systems in the last 40 years so you can trust me when I say....” Bonus comment: “I am quite confident to state?” Who talks like that? 😬 “Come in my son, be not afraid, let us double blind test together.“ 😂 😂 😂 |
roberttdid “There’s a sucker born every minute.” ― P.T. Barnum >>>>Ack chew ally P.T. Barnum never said that. What he did say is “people would generally be much better off if they believed in too much rather than too little.” Which kind of clashes with your whole worldview, I might add. I don’t know why every pseudo skeptic down through the ages uses that quote as if it means something profound. It doesn’t. P.T. Barnum also famously said, “The noblest art is making others happy.” |
millercarbon Then again it may be due to nothing more than garden variety lack of listening skills. >>>>>Not to mention the garden variety of pseudo scientists. Like garden variety of snakes. 🤗 |
Like any audio component cables should be considered a Black Box when attempting to find the impact on SQ. But this can be vexing as cables and power cords need time to break in, otherwise what’s the point. It’s not what anybody wants to do - wait a week or two to find out what the cables sound like. So there’s that. Then, after the cables are burned in, what is the cables’ impact on noise and distortion, frequency bandwidth, dynamics? This can be a very long process, trying to decide which cables to use. Perhaps you just buy the cables you fell in love 💕 with, maybe at a show or a rave review, and live with them. Sure, that’s one way to do it. |
itsjustme travelling light. I hear the same joke twice in one way. Who’d guess? >>>>But when I used the joke it was the most appropriate, right? 😬 |
Ack chew ally, electrons don’t really care since they aren’t moving. It’s the PHOTONS you need to interview. A photon checked into a Hotel, the clerk asked if he had any baggage. The photon replied, no, I’m traveling light. Note to self: It looks like I’m on a roll today and it’s not even time for breakfast. |
More to the point, one of the building blocks of the scientific method is empirical evidence, you know, like listening results. All of this subjective vs objective debate really concerns evidence, not proof. A single blind test or any test fro that matter is not really evidence of anything. It’s the preponderance of the evidence resulting from many tests that has some meaning. But not one test. Even though pseudo skeptics would have you believe controlled double blind tests separate the hoaxes from the non hoaxes. It’s the same jibber jabber it always was. If a frog 🐸 had wings he wouldn’t bump his butt so much. - Elvira Madigan |
robberrttddidd On the controlled listening tests, they tend not to support the conclusion that there are reliably identifiable differences in the sound between various cables when the volume is controlled for. To this day, I am not aware of even 1 public, controlled listening test, conducted by a cable vendor. Not 1. You gotta admit, that is a pretty damning statement, especially in light of the challenges and the willingness to let the vendor control every single variable. >>>>Oh, I don’t know the only company that claims to do blind testing is Harman Kardon or whatever their name is and their stuff is probably junk, anyway. If you’re so high on blind tests why don’t you volunteer to do some blind tests and report your results. I dare you. |
georgemgraves boxer12; I have ever made a comment about ICs, cheap or expensive. You have me confused with someone else, I’m afraid. About your electromagnetic radiation comment. You are assuming that it is always present in all systems in enough quantity to audibly affect the signal being conducted. There is no evidence that I know of that supports that assumption. While possible, it should certainly be easy enough to test that hypothesis. If there was anything to it, I would suspect that cable manufacturers of interconnects whose designs yielded the lowest interference measurements would use those in their advertising to increase sales and making choosing interconnects easier for customers. But no such tests or measurements seem to exist. If “boutique” cable manufacturers actually try to technically explain their product’s superiority, they usually do it with technological nonsense. Most companies don’t bother to explain what even they don’t understand. >>>I suspect this might be a case of I haven’t found any evidence so it must not exist. It sounds like you have an ax to grind but if you can provide any what you believe to be “technological nonsense” from high end cable manufacturers please be my guest. Share, share! |
georgemgraves Of course, I have no idea what these cables “sound like” vis-a-vis other cables, but since I don’t ever compare cables, it really doesn’t matter, does it? >>>>>>Not to you it doesn’t. But it probably does to many others. From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs. 😬 |
That’s an illogical argument re the studio cables. With home systems or at shows we’re only worried about the playback system. It’s too late (obviously) to address what was already recorded. You do the best you can with what you have. You play the hand you’re dealt, whatever. If the studios had used higher end cables than Mogami doesn’t it make sense the recording would have been better to begin with? Not all studios use the same equipment or cables, some use really high end cables and microphones, others not so much. No matter how much you have in the end you would have had even more IF you had started out with more. |
OK, now I remember why I jumped off the AC power grid! Every time you can reduce the number of cables and power cords you reduce the noise and distortion. By inspection 👀 the best situation would be zero cables and zero power cords, no? But no offense to anyone, everyone has to be somewhere. I can certainly understand why very high resolution and no noise might be distracting to some. 😲 |
I’m afraid I’m going to have to recuse myself from this thread, as fun as it’s been. I don’t use cables any more, or power cords, they all introduce distortion and noise. Even the best ones, so I hopped off the AC train and went all battery power. If thy eye offend thee cut it out. No more pencils no more books, no more teacher’s dirty looks. 😡 |
lalitk “I dont know why this subject is not only controversial but all around all time....” Because there are so many pseudo claims in the name of science behind a simple copper or silver wire to transform your audio system. >>>>>Whoa, dude! Pseudo claims in the name of science? I doubt it. Name one. Betcha can’t. You statement is what we call a pseudo argument, a logical fallacy. As if claiming the other side is unscientific or lying is sufficient to win the debate.🙄 |