Whats on your turntable tonight?


For me its the first or very early LP's of:
Allman Brothers - "Allman Joys" "Idyllwild South"
Santana - "Santana" 200 g reissue
Emerson Lake and Palmer - "Emerson Lake and Palmer"
and,
Beethoven - "Piano Concerto No. 4 in G Major" Rudolph Serkin/Ozawa/BSO
slipknot1
@spirit... To answer your question I think it really lies down to style, and of course I forgot Bonzo. Geez, I play in a freakin’ Zepp tribute. How could I forget him? To your question, yes and no. Bands like Zepp, Rush, Tool, etc really are what they are/were because of the musicians as a singular unit. When those musicians get away from that type of super group, it is fairly rare they shine quite as bright. There are exceptions. Zepp is a good example. Rush too. ELP, Tool etc. When looking at a studio/session musician usually they are a bit more rounded and perhaps more versatile overall. I learned this concept studying various music styles. Good musicians can pull off almost anything, but the true "specialists" make their style shine if you get my drift. I think musicality is subjective. Athletic drummers can be found through all styles. In terms of sheer "groove" not many can beat the likes of Bonham, Gadd, Rich, and Hakim. SO many as I said before.

Regarding WR I think some of their best days were with Erskine. Acuña was amazing for sure. I just liked Erskine’s approach and style a bit more.
@geof3, oh yeah. So many good drummers. I will certainly never get around to them all. Thanks for your posts. Some good meat to chew on. One of the things I really like about this thread - ideas about what to listen to and for - on the recommendation from participants who are, let’s just stipulate, serious music listeners and maybe even serious musicians themselves. Cool.
Ignition .... John Waite.
Crazy For You ..... Earl Klugh.

Both of these albums have simply spectacular SQ that in all honesty puts the majority of my mfsl albums to shame.
Tedeschi Trucks Band “Revelator” & Lucinda Williams “World Without Tears” - TTB so creamy smooth & Lucinda, well,  just a scattered mess of a talent 
Uber r ya having a MFSL blowout sale soon ?

asking for a friend, close relative, alter ego, dependent on my tax return....
Tomic
Never my friend.... lol
Just trying to impress on how good those two albums are sonically.


Oh and they were $1 each.......🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Boulez conducts Berlioz, Symphonie Fantastique, LSO. 1971 Columbia Masterworks.

Szell conducts Wagner, Preludes and Overture, The Cleveland Orchestra. Nice album. 1962 Epic.

Thus far.....
Kirill Kondrashin conducting Dvorák Symphony 9, The Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra. Decca

@drrsutliff Yes, Szell and Wagner is always good. Fits his style of conducting well. A very ‘big’ powerful combo.
Captain & Tennile-Song Of Joy
Harry James-Requests On The Road
Sally Rogers-In the Circle of the Sun
Marty Balin-Balin
Styx-The Grand Illusion
Peter Paul & Mary- A Song Will Rise

If anyone is curious I play one side of the album.
After a wonderful TexMex meal on this Cinco de Mayo, closest I could do is from "that little band from Texas" - Tejas from ZZTop.  Yeah, no it's not that late here in AK.  

@spiritofradio, how much time ya got? ;-) There is a lot that could be said in answer to your question, but I’ll be as brief as possible.

Of all the ingredients that go into the making of music, for me by far the most important is the song (Jagger and Richards are mistaken ;-). For me, the song is to music as the script is to a film. Now, not all music is made with the song itself as the priority or focus. Jazz, for instance. The song structure is used as the starting point for musical improvisation; what the musicians play is arguably more important than the song itself. At least that’s the way I see it. Similarly, I don’t care for avant-garde, abstract film (except those of David Lynch ;-).

I became a music lover a couple of years before albums became the Rock ’n’ Roll format, the 7" 45 RPM single being what it was presented on. It was Pop music: Girl Groups (a LOT of them), R & B sanitized for white people, Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Dion (a great singer, by the way), Roy Orbison, The Four Seasons, etc; 2-1/2 minute songs on the radio. In that period, there was an iron-clad way music was made: professional songwriters were employed by music publishers to do writing (much of in the famous Brill Building in NYC), and a number of songs a week were chosen to record; a singer (or singers) was (were) offered the song to record; the chosen singer was sent into the studio to do as the hired producer instructed; a contractor hired studio musicians as requested by the producer (depending on the vision he had for the song).

(As that was going on, Garage and Surf Bands starting making albums that remained largely regional. Once in a while one would break nationally, such as Paul Revere & The Raiders. However, only fanatics cared enough about music to devote that much time, energy, and money to that facet of life).

The Beatles changed all that: A self-contained unit, writing, playing, and singing all the music. Yes, Brian Wilson had been doing the writing for The Beach Boys, they had been doing all the singing, and Brian was producing. But he had The Wrecking Crew playing the instruments on his recordings while the other guys were on the road (including Glen Campbell taking Brian’s place on bass).

Suddenly, ALL groups were now expected to write, play, and sing everything on their albums. How many people are good at all three? In the singles era, only the best songwriters had their material recorded, only the best singers were offered songs, and the studio musicians? All right, we’re finally getting to the point! ;-)

When John Hiatt---all his albums having been commercial failures---was given one last chance to get a hit, he was allowed his choice of any musicians he wanted. Who did he choose? Ry Cooder on guitar, Jim Keltner on drums, and Nick Lowe on bass. Why do you imagine he chose them, out of all the musicians in the world? Because they are not just great on their instruments, but because they are great SONG PLAYERS.

Studio players are expected to play in support of the artist: the songwriter or singer usually. To make the singer sound good, or the featured instrument/musician, or the entire ensemble, not himself. Cooder liked Keltner’s playing so much, he arranged his recordings around JIm’s availability. He is also a favorite of Dylan, John Lennon, George Harrison, Bill Frisell, and Randy Newman. When I heard Keltner’s song parts on Randy’s Good Old Boys album, my concept of what great drumming was about was changed forever. Such artistry, such musicality, such taste!

Yet Keltner in a Modern Drummer interview said he wished he played more like Roger Hawkins. Roger who? ;-) Hawkins was the drummer in the house band at Fame Studios in Muscle Shoals, Alabama, the studio the great Atlantic Records producer Jerry Wexler took his assignments to record. Aretha, Wilson Pickett, Solomon Burke, Dusty Springfield, Bob Dylan, Boz Scaggs, many others. You've heard the term "pocket", right? Hawkins had the deepest pocket I've ever heard.

Playing for the song, or the artist, or the entire ensemble---a very different thing than just being in a band. Different priorities, different skill set. There are many great drummers who could NEVER be a studio musician, Keith Moon  perhaps the most obvious. I got offered a recording date by a small-time engineer/producer I know, a single song going onto a movie soundtrack. The basic tracks were recorded with just myself, the singer, and a bass player. After the first take, the producer asked me to "play more" (fills, etc.). I said okay (I was a hired hand, satisfying the customer---the producer---is what it's all about), and played a little busier. It still wasn't enough for him, and he asked me to play more like Keith (apparently a favorite of his ;-). The singer (a son of one of the Lennon Sisters!) asked "This is a 60's-style song. Is that appropriate?" The producer said "Sure, The Who made records in the 60's." I knew what the singer meant, and that the producer didn't. Another take, and he asked for some fills at a particular point in the song. I said "That would walk all over the singer, the melody, the lyrics." To my utter astonishment, he said "Oh, I don't care about that." !!!

I later learned that after I left the studio, the producer laid down his own drum track (he's a multi-instrumentalist), and sent the finished track to the soundtrack producer, who rejected the track. The music producer then sent the mix containing my part, which was excepted. Even famous drummers suffer rejection. Keltner and another drummer were hired by Elton John for the album he produced for Leon Russell. After some recording with both drummers, Leon asked Elton to get rid of Keltner, he wanted more in-the-pocket, "meat 'n' potatoes drumming. What would he have thought of Neil Peart?!

@tomic601 I ended up putting on the first disc of It's Like This before going to bed last night.  
Thanks for the post Eric. It’s a fun discussion but would be way better over a beer or something but not while the band’s playing - I just want to listen to the music when it’s playing.
In the pocket is a wonderfully descriptive term isn’t it. Exactly like ‘In his cups’ except way different...
@bob540,

Regarding your warped lp.... I would not recommend an iron. I think the best path forward with the least expense would be to get two pieces of plate glass. After cleaning the lp, put it between the glass pieces and place in your oven on the (very) lowest setting for 40 minutes to start with. Don't preheat. When times is up, (let it cool off in the oven), then take it out and check. After checking it's progress, adjust for a 10 minute  longer time period. Repeat. If it hasn't become flatter, I'd increase the temp 10 degrees, then start over at 40 minutes. I think you can get the picture now. It's gonna be a trial and hopefully, no error process.Good luck!

 
The plate glass trick should work.
I was always wary of putting in the oven but as I live in Florida with a huge outdoor oven I just leave mine outside in the sun for a few hours.
Very scientific I know but has worked so far.......
I feel like one has more control over the process with the oven method.

Glad I don't have that issue to worry with now.
The Ballroom Thieves
A Wolf in the Doorway
2015 Blue Corn Music
Coke Bottle Clear 
Signed by Devin Mauch at their Mississippi Studios concert on Saturday March 7th, 2020 the weekend before all public venues were shut down here in Oregon.  


The Uber Florida Flattner- Because it’s freakin hot in “
God’s Waiting Room “....
Traffic - John B Must Die
Talking Heads - Fear of Music
Patty G - American Kid


Ya man, when this is past, we need to do a Portlandia Pub and Music crawl....
Yes sir!   Does Eric live in the Northwest too?  @bdp24 do you live near Portland?

@tomic601 yes new Stephen Wilson redux of Jethro Tull Stormwatch is just out.   I haven’t ordered it.  I would go over to Music Millennium and pick it up but.... 
James:
yes Eric is across the big river from you and I believe Big Greg is close also.

Funny I ordered a minty copy of Stormwatch when I was on a Tull binge and haven’t touched it but twice.... almost tossed it in the Reubent “ ruthless cull bin “ !!!!
Been spinning CD’s most the night, but needed a vinyl fix....

Karajan conducting Beethoven’s 5th, and Schubert’s 8th, “unfinished”. Berlin Philharmonic. Deutsche Grammophon, of course.
Buffalo Springfield- S/T ( German Pressing has a soft silky midrange... nice ) 
When this all slows down a little we are still planning on visiting Friday Harbour this year so maybe it can be a giant pub crawl!
Will be flying into Seattle most likely and out back home from Portland.
If their is any air service left by then......
For any Aoife O'Donovan fans...........she's live streaming the entire lp of "Nebraska" on Sunday. I assume if you've registered with YepRoc or her own site, you just click on the live stream tab in your email. Hope I don't forget!
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Sun Kil Moon "Twin Cities"
Tomic, Slaw.

Of course you have to take into account that my flattener is the patented "UberMiser Flattener"
Once you have the two pieces of plate glass the running costs are absolutely zero as it is a green application using solar power.
Grants have been applied for and aid from the Corona Virus fund but for some strange reason I was not approved......