While watching vids on YouTube, I came across this pipe speaker design from a Dr. Linkwitz (see below). The sound of this speaker is said to be impressive. I was wondering if you know about this, how it works and what you think of this speaker design. Also, what do you think would be the best room placement for such a speaker, and would you be tempted to build them?
I am of the personal opinion that Kenjit has never actually discussed speakers. To discuss speakers at the level he purports to what to discuss would require a level of knowledge of speakers, and acoustics that is certainly not self evident in the posts. The simple lack of acceptance that because no two rooms are the same, there can be no perfect speaker, or that because playback is a recreation of something with no where near all the original information, makes defining the perfect speaker impossible, shows Kenjit no possessing at this point the skills or knowledge to have the discussion that is being encouraged.
Lacking said knowledge, one gets hung up in implementation details, i.e. woofer/cabinet resonances, as opposed to more critical system level details, such as controlling off axis energy and time of arrival.
We all have narcissistic tendencies, it is what keeps us alive and can lead to success and drive, but NPD (narcissistic personality disorder), take it to a whole different level and is a recognized personality disorder in the The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). Duke's post from the Mayo clinic mirrors the old DSM-IV description which is easier to understand. The updated DSM-V clinical description is here as well as a DSM-IV comparison. Not dealing with personality disorders can lead to a difficult and unhappy life, even though you may achieve a level of career success.
" Can we now go back to discussing the topic of speakers? Promise, no more insults? "
Are you actually offering to change YOUR behavior, or only asking me to change mine? Please answer this question because it is important. However in this case a non-answer is still an answer.
I CAN promise you this:
As long as you take an adversarial approach and belittle or attack others, as far as I’m concerned your narcissistic behavior should be called out so that others are not duped. People have a right to know when they are dealing with someone whose behavior is toxic. And I will out you.
And if you stop, so will I.
I have seen you post in a non-adversarial way, so I know you can do it. Non-adversarial is my default mode, but in this thread I have chosen to give you a taste of your own medicine.
A tendency toward narcissism is present in everyone, to more or less of a degree
Ive also pointed out above, Dukes behavior which is narcississtic. He fails to acknowledge this.
Its ok to be a narcissist Duke. Being a narcissist is probably a good thing anyway when it comes to speaker design. It helps you to strive for PERFECTION. Can we now go back to discussing the topic of speakers? Promise, no more insults?
If anyone other than Kenjit is actually curious about the questions he raises, any of them, let me know and I will be more than happy to reply. I do not take offense at the questions themselves; I have simply stopped jumping through Kenjit’s hoops. As you can see, he doesn’t like that.
Also, this thread is about Siegfried Linkwitz's speakers, and for me to reply to Kenjit's questions in adequate depth would arguable be a thread hijack. I'll do it for someone else, but not for Kenjit because I do not think his questions are sincere. I do not think he is the slightest bit curious about my speakers or about me.
For anyone wondering why I have abandoned trying to reason with him, google "reasoning with a narcissist."
Dukes logic is to assume that I am a narcissist unless proven otherwise which is typical of the high end speaker industry where it is assumed that any claim made is true until proven otherwise. Dukes goal is to repeatedly call me a narcissist and distract you from the dirty secrets of the industry where audiophiles are kept in the dark much of the time when it comes to measurements and how much things cost. Do not be duped.
Duke sells obscenely expensive speakers costing $7600. To put that in perspective you can get a full range floorstander or active speakers for much less than that price. The Linkwitz Pluto itself is far cheaper. There is no reason what he does couldnt be done cheaper, as other manufacturers already do offer cheaper high end speakers.
He claims on his website that
"Few if any other speaker designers match Duke’s knowledge and experience Re. the ideal balance between early and late arriving signals "
This is a grandiose claim typical of narcissists. He basically claims that he is superior to every other designer. Yet Revel have been doing waveguides for years! What he does is hardly new. Worst of all theres no evidence. B&w and Magico sell more speakers than audiokinesis Im pretty sure of that. Yet he is telling us that THEY are wrong and HE is right!
Duke claims that he uses a special plywood so that
"Noise is lowered, with commensurate increase in dynamic “pop,” and without any downside. "
NO EVIDENCE
For his Crossovers:
"The result is faster transient performance, with increased detail, transparency, larger dynamic envelope, and no down side. "
NO EVIDENCE.
He charges $7600 for a wooden box with what looks like plastic cheap binding posts on the back and a woofer from a manufacturer whose speciality is in guitar speakers not high end audio woofers. He quotes the names of four PHd’s namely Earl Geddes, Floyd Toole, Robert E. Greene, and David Greisinger. and expects to be recognized as equal to them. Where was your PHD from Mr. lejeune, Harvard or Princeton? He claims these individuals "have the most reliable and extensive knowledge base on this subject." NO EVIDENCE.
There are hundreds of speaker manufacturers out there Duke. Your speakers are rarely mentioned on this forum or others. Your speakers have not achieved mainstream success. It is a niche product that requires you to sell a few pairs at high prices. The grandiosity doesnt match with reality.
That you see those qualities in yourself asvjerry, is probably the best
indication that you don't have NPD. Those with NPD wouldn't see it, and
certainly wouldn't admit it. The normal people see many of the qualities
of personality disorders in themselves. The ones that don't are the
ones you have to worry about.
Whew! I saw myself in every single one of those! In spades! But since I know that, no worries, can't be me. What a relief!
Duke truly is a gentleman. When I looked up narcissist in my PDR there was a picture of kenjit. So maybe he's not a narcissist, he really is important after all!
Avsjerry did not say that "we are all narcissists according to that list". But it sounds to me like you defacto acknowledge that you are: Instead of coming up with a single item which did not apply to you, you attacked the medical community.
And once again, your complaint against me is that I am calling you out instead of jumping through your hoops. Just because you ask a question does not entitle you to an answer.
Kenjit, WHAT you are - a narcissist - is WHY I no longer jump through your hoops. We both know you have already decided in advance to dismiss whatever I might say. We’ve been down that road too many times.
But let me repeat the offer I made yesterday:
If anyone other than Kenjit is actually curious about the questions he raises, let me know and I will reply to you. Otherwise, imo this thread is about one of Siegfried Linkwitz’s designs, not one of mine.
Kenjit, if your questions are so brilliant and so vitally important, why isn’t everyone clamoring in outrage for me to answer them?
asvjerry makes a good point. We are all narcississts according to that list. The list of descriptions has been carefully fabricated so that it can apply to anybody. For what purpose? Nothing other than to label that person and use that label against them at every opportunity, to discredit them, bully them and ultimately control their behavior. It is a disgusting sham that nobody should buy into. There are plenty of shams going on within the medical community just as there are within the speaker industry. There are sham diagnoses, treatments, crooks and charlatans within the medical industry. There is less or even no regulation within the speaker industry so whos to say the situation is not even worse in the speaker industry? The single factor that seems to motivate people in both camps is money and greed. Medicine is no longer about helping people its all about profit. It is absurd to deny that money and greed does not motivate at least some within the speaker industry.
Labelling me a narcississt does not invalidate my points. It does not answer the riddles i presented to Duke. It just conveniently avoids all of it. Who is guilty of evading the discussion here me or Duke?Who is the real culprit?
That you see those qualities in yourself asvjerry, is probably the best indication that you don't have NPD. Those with NPD wouldn't see it, and certainly wouldn't admit it. The normal people see many of the qualities of personality disorders in themselves. The ones that don't are the ones you have to worry about.
I think I may be accused of #10, but it's unintentional... #'s 4 & 5 ? It'd be a stretch, but only because nobody else it doing it....
...and there's already enough expensive boxes out there, that end up having to be cordoned off into a 'special space' to take advantage of their qualities...which end up being discussed and argued about and over.
The rest of the list? Others are far more adept at those....in their way.....
Kenjit: " hi glupson, Interesting how you ignored my questions. "
I presume this is what you mean?
" Dukes technique has been to try to discredit everything i say by accusing me of narcissism all the while ignoring the topic being discussed. Whats the name for that? There must be an illness that corresponds to no?"
The name for what I am doing is, "calling out the narcissist".
The illness that it corresponds to is, being sick of your behavior.
Sounds like you want to make me the bad guy for calling you out. Interesting how you fail to even claim that your behavior is not narcissistic.
Maybe I haven’t given you enough to work with? Here is a list of behaviors consistent with narcissistic personality disorder, taken from the Mayo Clinic website. Feel free to tell us which ones do not apply to you:
Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
Have a sense of entitlement
Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
Exaggerate achievements and talents
Preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, or brilliance
Believe they are superior
Monopolize conversations and belittle others
Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
There is no behavior you can discern on an internet forum especially when I only talk about speakers on here. Dukes technique has been to try to discredit everything i say by accusing me of narcissism all the while ignoring the topic being discussed. Whats the name for that? There must be an illness that corresponds to no?
I have built the Plutos, LXminis, and the 521-4s. Love them! The Plutos & Lxminis will "disappear" in the room. The tweeters for the Plutos are getting hard to find (I understand) but Madisound will have them if anyone does, also the complete kits. The LXminis are better, but use an electronic crossover and four channels of amplification, and so are more expensive to build. A subwoofer is a nice addition, but not absolutely necessary. People who haven't built them or heard them scoff; don't believe nonsense from uninformed and inexperienced naysayers.You are going to stuff the plastic pipes with absorbent materials (or old sweaters) and they don't ring. You can even build a subwoofer using the cardboard tubes used to make concrete columns. Be sure to build the recommended crossovers for the Plutos as they tame a peak around 10k. The only negative is that they produce a small "sound front" (as do all small speakers) but the upward facing woofers get their sound spread out by the tweeter tubes and sound much bigger than they look. They are super cost effective! Build them! Do it! They are very easy to build.
And like a fly to ..... here he is. A normal response would be, "I hope they are not talking about me", but the narcissist and the bully always want to be the center of attention.
I plead guilty. I bait heaudio into unwinnable arguments. I have assured him I’ll let him win one sometime, just to keep him in the game. I have to have my fun, too.
Ah, you mean the old "gk" maneuver! It is often hard to tell the difference between a narcissist and a plain old bully, but most bullies are narcissists.
audiokinesis2,272 posts05-25-2020 7:03pm...
Kenjit is doing is a classic behavior of a narcissist: Baiting people
into defending themselves in an unwinnable argument.
Narcissists like to be on the offensive.
Above, Kenjit is trying to bait me into defending my speaker. To anyone wondering why I don’t take up the challenge, let me point out that what Kenjit is doing is a classic behavior of a narcissist: Baiting people into defending themselves in an unwinnable argument.
Narcissists like to be on the offensive.
Kenjit’s technique for turning every discussion into an argument and then winning that argument is to be contemptuous and dismissive of the other person and whatever information or evidence they present. When only his statements are valid and only his evidence is admissible, the outcome of the argument is a foregone conclusion.
If anyone other than Kenjit is actually curious about the questions he raises, let me know and I will reply to you. Otherwise, imo this thread is about one of Siegfried Linkwitz’s designs, not one of mine.
As evidenced in your many posts, however, you are not remotely qualified, to evaluate how well a speaker works, or does not work just by "looking at it". You don’t appear to have even the most rudimentary understanding from where I am sitting. That may be harsh, but how else am I supposed to say it. There are any number of ways that audiokinesis could have addressed the issue, and buyers always have the option not to buy.
I have circumstancial evidence by looking at the picture of the audiokinesis speaker. I have no reason to believe there is some elaborate method hidden inside the box that mounts the driver differently than the usual way. I have also seen pictures of many other high end speakers that just screw their drivers in and call it a day. I have no reason to believe otherwise with this speaker.
The onus of proof is on the manufacturer. Im not the manufacturer. We have been taken for a ride long enough. The time has come for the tables to turn. They have got away with unverified claims for too long.
I wasn’t suggesting paranoia, only the dangers of falling into it. As a fellow audiophile, you must know it goes with the territory.
Is the system power supply adequate? Is my amp powerful enough? Or good enough? Should I bi-wire? Do I need better cables? Spikes or isolation? What about Hi-Res?
With no doubt hundreds more silly questions to keep us awake at night. This hobby sure has a way of getting into your blood, doesn’t it?
Isn’t this also why we constantly remind ourselves to enjoy the music instead of listening to the equipment?
I don’t want to comment on other designs here but just to say that Linkwitz’s attention to the minutest detail is certainly impressive in my eyes.
As for your views on the Linkwitz Pluto’s, or mine for that matter, they’re both based on hearsay and initial impressions. Let’s just say somehow we have both arrived at different conclusions.
"The loudspeaker industry has taken us for a ride for long enough and now we must demand evidence. We deserve it."
Correct. Totally with you on that. If the manufacturers have the evidence on performance, then it could and should be shared with any potential customer.
It’s already starting to happen with Harman products and as you can read on the Linkwitz site, there is almost a lifetime of shared information available there.
(I love it...start a thread on PVC pipe, and I instantly get an ad for them. *LOL*)
Also happy that y'all have Finally gotten around to what I've been doing for the past few years....although mating a scaled down Walsh driver to a PVC pipe isn't easy to do either...
My only objection to the Pluto format is having the cone pointing 'up'. If you flip it over...you've just created (mostly) your very own Ohm Walsh. The radiation pattern has improved, and you're not depending on the ceiling anymore....to some degrees.
Now....grab the driver and stretch it and it's cone upwards a few inches. That's a bit difficult to do, but I've gotten a handle on How.
Viola', a true Walsh driver as done by HHR and as done with the original Ohm F and A units. Mine are scaled down, to reduce the amount of axial cone movement required by low frequencies. I've chosen to focus on raidal radiation with that driver....
Mounted on a 6" Schd 40 pipe, one gets 'horny....as in the 'honk' the pipe creates. Stuff it full of fibrefill, it goes away and one can always 'tune' the pipe by length vs. dia. Alternately, seal it and play with 'acousitic suspension' (remember that?); works great for a bookshelf version.... ...like the pair I'm listening to right now.
Hand the low frequencies off to a sub. Active crossovers make that a snap. Active room eq ditto.
OK....let's get rid of that tweeter. How about a Walsh version. Mount it above the main driver, aligning the voice coil centerlines and keeping it as close to the main as well. Time alignment: check. Phase distortion: gone.
Feed it streaming source, and avoid VTA, dust, scratches....any TT I use is a radial tracker anyway....
The only thing left to do is make Eric happy. ;) I'll get around to that, soon enough.
Although Dr. L had said "Ignore the room." (Yes, I've read his website....the Ohm patent...and more....)
Yeah, I'm having loads of fun, doing just that.... *VBS*
Regards, and Happy Memorial Day to the vets out there. Y'all have and do make this all and more possible. You deserve more than thanks; you deserve a VA that's worth your sacrifices...👍👏😃
One Linkwitz mainly discusses stamped baskets which are low cost. Two he says that if there is a resonance it must be dealt with. There are many ways to deal with resonances. Do you have proof this speaker has not dealt with them.
I have circumstancial evidence by looking at the picture of the audiokinesis speaker. I have no reason to believe there is some elaborate method hidden inside the box that mounts the driver differently than the usual way. I have also seen pictures of many other high end speakers that just screw their drivers in and call it a day. I have no reason to believe otherwise with this speaker.
The onus of proof is on the manufacturer. Im not the manufacturer. We have been taken for a ride long enough. The time has come for the tables to turn. They have got away with unverified claims for too long.
Linkwitz says :
Often the effects due to driver mounting are deemed to be of secondary importance to the overall sound quality of a loudspeaker.
They cannot be ignored when the goal is to design a loudspeaker of the highest accuracy."
Why would linkwitz bother to mention this if it applies to stamped frames only? Most drivers are not stamped.
Most high end manufacturers do not address these types of issues.
The question for Audiokinesis is can he show us that the way he mounts his drivers is in fact the best way acoustically and that it wasnt just screwed in to save money and time and that the difference wasnt deemed unimportant? Did he do blind tests using one version with drivers screwed in and the other with drivers mounted differently? Or is he just making assumptions?
What evidence is there that the audiokinesis is a better speaker within the marketplace which is full of similar boxes with drivers in 'em? You would expect better performance for that kind of money no? So where is the evidence? I dont think there is any is there? There never is.
Quit while you are behind. One Linkwitz mainly discusses stamped baskets which are low cost. Two he says that if there is a resonance it must be dealt with. There are many ways to deal with resonances. Do you have proof this speaker has not dealt with them.
It's painfully obvious you don't understand speaker design.
Theres no evidence of performance provided and i see that the driver is screwed in. Linkwitz advises against this and he says that it "cannot be ignored when the goal is to design a loudspeaker of the highest accuracy."
Like many of us here you also seem to be searching for
definitive answers and ultimate truths when it comes to loudspeaker
performance. Unfortunately, there may not be any.
Some one searching for answers and truths wouldn't constantly reinvent themselves and his/her position on subject matters. The word "integrity" means being the same throughout, being consistent as opposed to convenient.
Theres no evidence of performance provided and i see that the driver is screwed in. Linkwitz advises against this and he says that it "cannot be ignored when the goal is to design a loudspeaker of the highest accuracy."
Speaker designers need to be questioned otherwise there is nothing to stop them making any claim.
Ive been accused of trolling and narcississm and now youre suggesting paranoia. What next? Ive just told you my thoughts on the linkwitz pluto. Why dont you respond to that instead of using an excuse to avoid discussing the real issues?
There is no such thing as falling into the trap of paranoia or suspicion. The real danger is being duped by all kinds of unproven claims which there are many of. Most of these claims are just based on the say so of the speaker companies and theres rarely any independently verified evidence. Theres every reason to be suspicious. We have to rely on the voluntary action of reviewers to obtain some measurements that ought to be provided by the manufacturers. It is shocking considering the extortionate prices. The prices clearly have no limits yet theres no evidence that the quality goes up with price as youd rightly expect.
However even reviewers measurements should not be relied on. They can be biased too. Measurements can vary and we dont yet have a complete understanding of the correct measurements to use. Manufacturers must be held to account and paranoia is never an excuse to avoid doing that. The loudspeaker industry has taken us for a ride for long enough and now we must demand evidence. We deserve it.
Like many of us here you also seem to be searching for definitive answers and ultimate truths when it comes to loudspeaker performance. Unfortunately, there may not be any.
Whilst it's always advisable to keep an open and inquisitive mind, isn't there also a corresponding danger of falling into the trap of excessive paranoia and suspicion?
From my point of view when a designer has spent decades looking at every facet of loudspeaker performance in as much precise detail as Siegfried Linkwitz obviously did, I feel compelled to pay attention to his words.
"There is yet another potential problem with the driver to baffle interface, even if the baffle is perfectly inert. It is related to the mechanical construction of the driver itself and how it can become a mechanical resonator of its own.
Typically a loudspeaker driver has screw holes in its basket for mounting it to a baffle. Usually a sealing gasket is placed between the driver basket rim and the baffle. The driver becomes in effect stiffly clamped to the baffle. This method sets up a mechanically resonant structure which is formed by the compliance of the basket and the mass of the magnet as seen in figure (A).
A) Drivers with a stamped metal baskets are prone to exhibit a high Q resonance when tightly clamped to the baffle. The magnet moves relative to the voice coil at the resonance frequency. Energy is stored and also readily transmitted from the moving mass of the cone into the cabinet.
B) Soft mounting the driver basket to the baffle using rubber grommets reduces the resonance frequency. A 2nd order lowpass filter is formed that reduces the transmission of vibration energy from the moving cone to the baffle and cabinet. The resonance must occur below the operating range of the driver.
C) If the driver is mounted from the magnet and the basket rim touches the baffle only softly, then the magnet-basket resonance cannot occur and the transmission of vibration energy into the baffle is minimized.
The basket-magnet resonance can be measured with an accelerometer that is mounted to the magnet. The drive signal is optimally a shaped toneburst. Its energy is concentrated in a narrow frequency band. When tuned to the right frequency a long decay tail becomes visible on an oscilloscope. Often the resonance can be seen as a small bump in the driver's impedance curve in the few hundred Hz range. It should not be confused with the higher frequency bump due to cone breakup.
An early example of a box loudspeaker where a KEF B110 midrange/woofer driver magnet is clamped to a support structure. The clamp can be tightened from the outside of the box. The basket rim is floating.
Often the effects due to driver mounting are deemed to be of secondary importance to the overall sound quality of a loudspeaker.
You have attacked the character of everyone on this forum in one way or another.
You have accused me and my kind (speaker designers) of incompetence and dishonesty.
There are many problems within the industry that i have identified. The inability of audiophiles to hear problems is in itself a problem. All these problems involve people so it is impossible to discuss them without mentioning the people involved.
The fact that you see it as an insult rather than a problem misses the point. The fact that you attack my character rather than the arguments i make is a fallacy.
You provide no solutions or reasons to refute what i say. You have nothing to offer duke.
You attacked Siegfried Linkwitz in this thread
Wrong. I attacked his design. I cast doubt on his method of using pvc as its not really rigid which is obvious to anybody that has used it. Linkwitz himself admits pipes have other serious problems if you read his website.
Somebody claimed he was a brilliant speaker designer, and i challenged this assertion. Im allowed to. I reasonably asked why if he was so brilliant, his designs have not achieved much commercial success. In response you cited an obscure review in stereophile, which doesnt convince me. The fact is its all opinions. There is no agreement on what tests to use to decide how good a speaker is.
The linkwitz riley crossover which bears his name is not the only game in town. Plenty of designers dont use it. Plenty of designers including b&w choose the humble first order electrical design, and b&w has still sold untold pairs of speakers.
I am primarily an audiophile rather than a designer. As audiophiles we must be sceptical. We are entitled to be, given the amount of misinformation in this hobby and exaggerated or unproven claims. The onus is on your kind to show proof.
Kenjit ~ Perfectionist bar none "
Way too easy to identify these as narcissism.
Wrong again. You’re just choosing to misinterpret what i say in order to support your nasty accusations against me. There can be more than one interpretation (eg. a joke ) and there are no nonverbal cues on here that would help you to decide.
@ctstereo
I have listened to the LXmini and own the LX521.4, I have listened to B&W speakers costing 5 times more than the LX521 and the Linkwitz design still wins.
Thats just your preference. It says nothing about how well the design performs and there is no agreement on what measurements matter when deciding that anyway, so there is no way to tell.
In conclusion, there is no evidence that the linkwitz pluto speakers are superior to conventional boxes. Its all hearsay. The driver he refers to as a tweeter is in fact a full range mini driver. It goes lower than a typical tweeter at the expense of other factors such as high frequency extension and dispersion. Distortion on the driver seems high as well. Despite all the supposed advances in driver technology the linkwitz speaker uses a fairly ordinary 5 inch woofer. It seems odd to claim that a speaker using such ordinary parts can achieve extraordinary performance. Are we being duped by the industry into thinking that driver quality is more important than it really is?
I wish I could hear them — I don’t really need more speakers, but if these things are as good as you say, plus very affordable, that’s an opportunity that needs to be seized!
KenjitThank you for looking at the pics on the Linkwitz site and determining that the speakers were good for "background music". I don't know many others that can judge a speakers sound by looking at pictures - you really are an expert! I have listened to the LXmini and own the LX521.4, I have listened to B&W speakers costing 5 times more than the LX521 and the Linkwitz design still wins.The LX521 and the LXmini are available commercially from Germany, but I guess because you did not know it then it is not true.I find your comments about Linkwitz and his speaker designs nothing short of IGNORANT.
" This is a speaker forum and i signed up to discuss speakers not peoples behavior or character. "
You have attacked the character of everyone on this forum in one way or another. You have said or insinuated that all audiophiles except for you are fools. You have accused me and my kind (speaker designers) of incompetence and dishonesty. You attacked Siegfried Linkwitz in this thread. You are the one who made it about people’s character.
" There is no such thing as narcissism. "
Amazing. Your defense is to deny that the behavior disorder you exhibit even exists. The voice inside of you which invented that defense is NOT your friend.
" Long live the champion! "
" Kenjit ~ Perfectionist bar none "
Way too easy to identify these as narcissism.
Kenjit, YOU are not your behavior disorder, so stop defending it. IT does not have YOUR best interest at heart.
"The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off." - Gloria Steinem
This is a speaker forum and i signed up to discuss speakers not peoples behavior or character. Narcissism is a term that was made up by a nobody. Its just a hodgepodge of different characteristics that apply to EVERYBODY. Grandiosity and superiority? Everybody has that to some extent. Who cares? At some point It was then decided by an incompetent that narcissism should be an illness! and now we hear it being bandied about everywhere.
There is no such thing as narcissism. I dont buy it. It cant be proven or disproven. It is utter poppycock. End of story.
Anybody who is incapable of sticking to discussing the topic is the one with a PROBLEM and needs treatment. Its nothing but an ad hominem FALLACY. Duke Im still waiting for evidence to show how brilliant your speakers are. I dare you to show me. They are expensive little speakers. You have just as much onus as I do to prove yourself. The speaker industry is full of grandiose claims which are rarely proven and every new speaker that comes along is supposedly better than its predecessors! its a neverending sham that needs to be stopped.
The Linkwitz speakers you mentioned are no longer in production. They are certainly not well known. Not in the same way as kef atc and b&w. If they were so brilliant there would be no need for magico wilson or atc!
Contempt is a necessity for being an audiophile! Otherwise EVERY speaker would be acceptable and the standards would never progress to a higher level.
" But the claim was that Linkwitz was a brilliant speaker designer. You would think his speakers would be well known and sought after. That just isnt the case. What makes him so brilliant if few audiophiles care about his speakers? "
The standard defense mechanism of the narcissist is contempt, which you display in most of your posts.
The defining characteristic of narcissism is grandiosity, or an unearned sense of superiority. You sir are in no position to express contempt towards Siegfried Linkwitz. You have no accomplishments.
Your posts say much more about you than about whoever or whatever you are posting about.
^ Linkwitz’s speakers ARE well known and sought after. If you want to get a glimpse into why he is considered a brilliant speaker designer (by all other speaker designers, and electronics guys like Nelson Pass), read his technical papers (his website is a treasure trove of knowledge and wisdom). Prove you’re not just a lazy know-nothing braying jackass.
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