First it was the Corona. Then it changed to Covid. All the while referred to as a Virus. Then it morphed into Delta, but still also Covid. Now it is sometimes referred to as the Disease. First Vaccinations. Next referred to as Boosters. Now (annual) it will be Inoculations. First was the Afgordable Health Care (it wasn't) which changed to Obama Care. First Global Warming ... changed to Climate Change. Russians were going to bomb USA. Then Middleast Terrotists. Now White men domestic citizens are THE Terrorists. Hate speech is now including hate THOUGHTS . Since the realization of the many genders, odds are 70 to 1 i got it wrong, so I should figure out what I am. It turns out I'm one of the very rare ones. I'm a man who think's he's a man. 🤔
Any vaccine used in the past, correct me if I'm wrong (🙄) required one shot. This they gave one ... THEN said a second is needed. Only AFTER that required a booster. Only AFTER that required a second booster. NOW Fauci on video says the vaccines are not working as well as first though and yearly (never ending) boosters will be required. Now Gates on video says a new vaccine and better delivery system is coming (paraphrased). THE VIDEOS ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE NOW!!! So after each shot THEY say JUST ONE MORE? What if in the very beginning "they" said this coming vaccine program will require two shots, then yearly boosters for the rest of your life, once you begin taking them? Or your other choice is just not begin? Would you choose yes or no? 🤔 |
We have had government mandated vaccines for years. What is the problem now? Greedy bastards on tv, cable, radio, and the internet making money spouting nonsense about freedom and rights. They care nothing about Your freedom or rights. Your freedom ends when it threatens my existence. Continued covid cases increase the chances of variants. The Delta variant is nasty; maybe the next one will be even more virulent. And what is irony of all ironies? The orange one fasttracked the vaccine and took pride in doing so. Mr. Hughes keep plugging away at the lies. Thanks. |
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There’s a video of a husband who’s wife has stage 4 cancer and required a 4 day stay for treatment and recovery and she was discharged in the middle of the 2nd day due to an overflow of unvaccinated Covid patients. It was up for many news cycles. To say he was pissed was an understatment. He said if one refuses to believe in the science and advice of medical professionals, then stick to your beliefs and stay at home and fend for yourself and leave hospitals free to treat those who need it and are vaccinated. There are lots of stories like his and his wife as well as hospital staff that are burned out by the imbecility of others. We had this just about conquered and then it just exploded again thanks to them. Right now, Europe is experiencing a big uptick in infections and we always follow the trend by a few weeks, at most. Again, from the imbecility of others. It’s like they want us to fail. All the best, Nonoise |
@femoore12 That's a difficult and deeply sad decision either way and even sadder healthcare providers have been pushed into it by a group that's largely selfish and entitled. |
Moral question: So if a person decides to not take a vaccine (virus non-specific) because of personal reasons (again non-specific) and that person falls ill to the virus that vaccine would have provided proctection against, should that person be a priority for hospital care over another patient (typical emergency, i.e. heat attack, car crash, etc.) when bed availability is maxed out? Just curious. |
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Are you reading comprehension challenged? You cite a crank, and then cite a number of folks who's articles you've read - or claim to. You ignore that *I* have defined Kennedy as a crank, that informs *MY* opinion of your position and predilection. You can agree not not at your whim, makes no difference. You ignore that when one, such as yourself IMO, reads to validate, not to educate, the conclusions drawn from such "research" are totally suspect. You cant emulate a petulant child in declaring "Your case is closed..." as though you have some say in the matter, but sorry to disabuse, you have no such superpower. |
@Glory "Go get another shot and a few more booster. You're so smart you know what is injected into you. You have the list of ingredients right in front of you on a piece of paper. Oh, you don't know? Trust the science and let them fill you up with whatever it is but it's not a Vax." LOL! I love this one, a truly ubiquitous classic - @Glory, hate to put pin to balloon, but you have no idea what's in any branded drug you get, or in any food you purchase. You don't know the sources of any of those materials, their purity or impurity profiles. You don't know what's in the water you drink everyday. I doubt you're a toxicologist, and if not, you have no idea of the import of any of those materials, and couldn't assess them anyway since you don't know the concentrations so you can't calculate a maximum dose. And you can holler "it's not a vax" all day, it is a vaccine, and you're continually trumpeting your ignorance. |
It is clear that you are UNABLE to produce arguments only strawman attack against all people i just listed because they dont think Kennedy is a crackpot... you have probably not read a single articles by any of them...I read many none is an idiot... Assimilating them all to be crack pots is beyond any rationnality... Your case is closed... No conflict of interests in the worst greedy businees and the more corrupt on earth with bank business and you see nothing about conflict of interests?😊 Are you a failed stand-up comic?
By the way how do you know my world view? You cannot, your brain is it seems divided in 2 : pro-vaxx or anti-vaxx... i dont work with binary opposites and ready made explanations...
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Here we have an example of the stupidest post ever made here... Alas! there exist other like this one...
After that post, this one is benign...But.... Your claim is an half truth... And perhaps you know it or not, but half-truth may be worst than a lie... He is an advocate who take the defense of vaccinated victims people in their legal right...HE SEE THE VICTIMS all day long...It is not like being an audiophile here typing against vaxx in an audio thread.... Defending victims right to be compensated , this is not the same thing that claiming that all vaxx are useless...Do you catch it? Or perhaps for you vaccination exist without any risk calculus being necessary ?
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I hope all the people that think vaccinations are not effective should not take them, they may get sick and die, thereby ridding the planet of the VERY DUMB. Humans have no natural predators, and therefore need to have some mechanism to cull the herd. Viruses are perfect for the job. You could argue that's what a virus is for. If you don't want to be vaccinated... please don't, thus improving the genome for the rest of us. Way too many stupid people in the world... they are bringing down all of us. |
Not one of the people in this list will take your claim seriously and not me either... If you never see any conflict of interest in your business i deduced you are an ostrich...Grow a brain out of the sand....
I read many of these researcher articles, by far most of them top scientists, or simply doctors, whom collaborated with Robert Kennedy in his book about Fauci... Are they all, like me, in the eye of some here, DELUDED, about what is at stake in this crisis? Some can war against each other in static political trenchs, i prefer to think OUT OF the political stupid box...left or right...Repeating like toddlers Trump or Biden mantra is not my hobby...I am canadian i already have my own clown to deal with... I prefer to read this list of people opinions...And for a large part of them I READ THEM already...
Dr. Harvey Risch, Yale University Professor of Epidemiology, Editor, Dr. Robert Malone, original inventor mRNA and DNA vaccination Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche, Senior Ebola Program Manager, Global Dr. Michael Yeadon, Chief Scientist and vice-president of Pfizer’s allergy Dr. Luc Montagnier, Virologist, 2008 Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, Chair of the Parliamentary Assembly, Council of Dr. Peter McCullough, clinical cardiologist, vice chief of internal Peter Doshi, University of Maryland School of Pharmacy associate Dr. Paul E. Marik, Founder, Front-Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance, Dr. Pierre Kory, President and Chief Medical Officer of the Front-Line Dr. Byram Bridle, University of Guelph associate professor of Viral Dr. Tess Lawrie, World Health Organization consultant, physician Dr. Didier Raoult, Director, Infectious and Tropical Emergent Diseases Dr. Peter Breggin, National Institute of Mental Health (1966–1968), Dr. Meryl Nass, physician, vaccine-induced illnesses, toxicology, expert Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, Medical Director Monsey Family Medical Center, Dr. Charles Hoffe, physician Dr. James Todaro, physician Dr. Scott Jensen, University of Minnesota Medical School Clinical Dr. Ryan Cole, pathologist Dr. Jacob Puliyel, Director Department of Pediatrics and Neonatology, St. Dr. Christiane Northrup, University of Vermont College of Medicine Dr. Richard Urso, MD Anderson Cancer Center assistant professor (1993– Dr. Joseph Ladapo, Surgeon General of Florida, professor University of Dr. Martin Kulldorff, Harvard University professor of medicine, Dr. Michael Levitt, Stanford University biophysicist and professor of Dr. Satoshi Ōmura, biochemist, 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine Dr. Paul E. Alexander, US Department of Health & Human Services Dr. Clare Craig, UK National Health Service (2000–2015), pathologist, Dr. Lee Merritt, US Navy physician and surgeon (1980–1989), past Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Microbiologist, head of the Institute of Medical Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, Stanford University Medical School professor, Dr. David Katz, Yale University, founder of Yale’s Prevention Research John P.A. Ioannidis, Stanford University Professor of Medicine, Dr. Sunetra Gupta, Oxford University epidemiologist, immunology Dr. Catherine L. Lawson, Rutgers University research professor, Institute Dr. Salmaan Keshavjee, Harvard Medical School professor of Global Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, Stanford University professor of biomedical data Dr. Cody Meissner, Tufts University professor of pediatrics, expert on Dr. Lisa White, Oxford University professor of epidemiology and Dr. Ariel Munitz, Tel Aviv University professor of clinical microbiology Dr. Motti Gerlic, Tel Aviv University, clinical microbiology and Dr. Angus Dalgleish, University of London professor of infectious disease, Dr. Helen Colhoun, University of Edinburg professor of medical Dr. Simon Thornley, University of Auckland epidemiologist and Dr. Stephanie Seneff, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Senior
From Robert Kennedy book : Who is the real Tony Fauci....
And i precise for the slow working brains here that my posts are not ABOUT being vaxx or not being vaxx... Each people are free and vaccines must be used in many cases anyway... My posts here are about the completely insane political mandate to force vaccinations on a massive scale....It is scientifically insane... All of those who persist to reduce this debate to vaxx versus anti-vaxx war parties are simply idiots... Sorry... Vaccinations of people at risk is sane and good, massive indiscriminate forced vaccinations is INSANE...All these people above and me think the same...
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Research AZT for HIV. The problem with quick searchs, Google (CIA) example will bring up ... "Fact-checkers" .... He did NOT .... it's been DEBUNCKED... and some people stop at that. I got rid of Television in beginning 2006, never missed it for a second, and have been researching more and more ever since. And yes, I would keep tabs on the MSM. I seems to me that a couple members here are PURPOSELY playing a game, sad to say. |
Thank goodnes both hartf36 and khuhges both decided to chime in. But I'll bet ya, dollars to donuts, that the usual suspects have already discounted what they've said and will just retreat and continue to try to convince others, elsewhere of their lies. Please guys, don't go anywhere soon. 😀 All the best, Nonoise |
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@jayctoy - You were misinformed then. These mRNA vaccines are indeed vaccines. They stimulate the production of T and B lymphocytes that key on the spike protein the RNA codes for -that is what vaccines *do*, evoke the immune response. This mRNA platform has been in development for over a decade, and its whole thrust is to be able to rapidly adjust *the platform* to code for different proteins, and thus for different organisms and viruses. There is nothing, whatsoever, in the vaccine that's *from* the virus itself. Unlike Flu where portions of the deactivated virus are used to stimulate the immune response, the mRNA vaccine does it by having the patient cells build and express the spike protein that forms part of the viral capsule. It's not FROM the virus, as traditional vaccines are, hence its ludicrous for anyone to claim you can get COVID from the vaccine. Literally impossible. With mRNA platform you need only isolate a protein, or proteins from the viral coat, code the mRNA strand to produce the protein, and incorporate that into the delivery platform. This is totally different than virus based vaccines, like Influenza that require infecting chicken eggs and growing the virus so it can be harvested and deactivated, and purified. Or the Smallpox vaccine which is very old tech using a live virus as the sensitizing agent. Smallpox is caused by a Variola virus while the vaccine is a live Vaccinia virus (hence the name Vaccine) that's related to cow/monkey/camel pox. Again, you have to grow the virus (and they are very picky about growth media, unlike bacteria), and *that* is the rate limiting step for development, clinical trials, and commercial manufacturing. COVID is the proof of concept vaccine for the mRNA platform, and will likely overtake all old platforms going forward. It is absolutely true that had this not been a pandemic, approval would not have been fast-tracked the same way it was, and FDA would've required longer phase 3 studies before approval (in this case an EUA), because they are very risk averse. However, the data now available on the mRNA vaccines vastly, by orders of magnitude, exceeds the the data available prior to approval of any other vaccine. Keep in mind also that there have been Phase 1 and 2 studies being conducted under INDs (investigation new drug application) for the mRNA platform for over a half-dozen years, and all that data was before FDA for years prior to any use for COVID. This was not developed in a year, that's just a fact, easily verifiable by anyone. |
Glory this are not vaccines they are genertic therapy, maybe why people don’t want take them. Most of the people I know , they don’t believe vaccines can be made in less than a year , they say 5 to ten yrs is the minimum,The survival rate you post is for the children correct?why some scientist said children don’t need the vaccines.Let’s hope for the best. |
I personally I belong to neither party....I vote for who ,I want to....that's our right....I had my shots and booster shot.I had cancer Grist cancer in 2018.i should of died and didn't so.i got my shots....every year I had a flu shot....I'm a personal chauffeur, I had 6 clients ,No one wants to go to plays, or concerts or a night on the town....this coronavirus has cost me plenty....all i hear is ,stories and stories and more stories....most of the people who died were either old or not in the best of health and that's a fact...Good luck to Ron and his family.... |
rvpiano i know for a fact that you are an honest person in all meaning of the words.. Please dont be offended if i dont want to answer a very complex question with only few words that will be only sources of misunderstanding between irrational warring political groups here... By the way i am not in conspiracy theory...No need for that to explain and understand why technological power and greed has steward humanity in a crisis... i read philosophy and science and i can assure you without conspiracies facts ,true or wrong, that i could for example describe why all history of philo and science through the nominalism phase in the 13 century lead us to this crisis...No need for right wing or left wing american propaganda...pure historical science teach us WHY there exist a worldwide crisis... This was already partially explained by thinker like Goethe and Cassirer after him... This health crisis is not different than the crisis in our understanding of acoustic for example... What is a sound? What is human body health? Why we forgot or hide what it is and what it was...Why do we change our idea about sound and body and what are the consequences? But i hope that you will understand that a 10 pages post explaining the parallel between the "sound" question in science and the health crisis now, will be a useless enterprise here.. In a word no, Biden dont conspire to kill Americans or to control americans, it is an old man thats all... .... For the rest i cannot go further here about that crisis for the time being especially in this insane thread...
My deepest respects for you....
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@artemus_5But i can’t imagine freedom spreading or even surviving when we wish death on someone with whom we disagree. On that we definitely share common ground. A lot of animals on the other side of that fence however. I've spent 4 1/2 decades in the Pharma world - still in it - including many vaccines like Flu and Smallpox. There are no "conspiracies" that I've ever seen. Like corporate America in general, the motivations of companies range from heartfelt desire to help people to unbridled greed (like the pharmabro clown). The latter, except in very rare instances (e.g. branded companies colluding with a generic manufacturer near patent expiry) makes the idea of the companies colluding mostly laughable. FDA reviews and approves vaccines, Fauci is not involved in any way with that. And once you've seen a few dozen actual clinical trials, the anecdotal claims of wishful thinkers pretty much laid bare the folly in correlation being used as causation. Anybody remember Laetril? |
I hate threads where anti-vaxxers show up with their sneering certainty about all things scientific. I'm not spouting off to anyone about my pro-vaccine beliefs (founded 100% on science & extensive reading, not to mention common sense and an unwillingness to die unecessarily). So please, whenever you get the urge to post vapid, hostile anti-vaxx garbage--DON'T. Yes sir, we obay your command, sir. 🗣💩 |
It would be great if we could talk and have conversation. But we cannot. We cannot talk and we will not agree. So what are the choices? A nation divided against itself cannot stand. Maybe the saddest part is that one group wishes bad on the other. Here’s some
This has been ongoing for years. Nothing new, except now that side is enboldened to say it. I don’t really care about myself. I’m 70 and have lived a very good life. I can’t imagine Anyone who has had more fun than I. Life owes me nothing, I’m thankful to have had the freedoms I have had. But i can’t imagine freedom spreading or even surviving when we wish death on someone with whom we disagree. BTW, IF the above is offensive to some here, then pay it no mind. it would be nice to take time to really think. but thats a lot of work for some
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Do you believe mass vaccinations have saved lives on a massive scale?
No. Turn off your CNN type news channel and do your own research. My writings and belief will not wake up those who are in a deep coma from fear and fake news. 4 jabs then 4 more and remember your booster. Ban Ivermectin and HCQ and take your 33 jabs and 75 boosters. |
I hate threads where anti-vaxxers show up with their sneering certainty about all things scientific. I'm not spouting off to anyone about my pro-vaccine beliefs (founded 100% on science & extensive reading, not to mention common sense and an unwillingness to die unecessarily). So please, whenever you get the urge to post vapid, hostile anti-vaxx garbage--DON'T. |
