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The cool factor- who has it?
My question relates to music and musical artist's performance and music. Who has that COOL factor? In the past or currently. For example I think the Beatles had it and also Bob Marley. Today I think Lenny Kravitz (if for nothing certainly for his longevity).
Thoughts?...
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+1 @larsman In the jazz world, I'd include players who bring (or brought) out the best in others. Miles Davis would be cool by that measure, and so would Art Blakey, Ron Carter, Charles Lloyd, and Tommy Flanagan. I'm sure there are many more.... |
‘Cool’ and ‘Elegant’ aren’t the same thing but are interstitial . The coolest musician that I ever spoke with was undoubtedly McCoy Tyner. Completely different but a close second was Delbert McClinton so real authenticity might be a factor. Honorable mention to Jon Faddis with whom I shared a stalled elevator at the Blackstone in Chicago long ago. A kind and well spoken man; also the best dressed guy I have ever seen. |
Been away for a couple of weeks so just catching up and this interesting thread caught my eye. I agree with the point made by several here, that the public perception of these artists is not necessarily aligned with the reality of their behaviors in life. I believe there is more than a little truth to the persona alluded to by Widespread Panic in their "Tortured Artist" song. More than a few artists seem to tap into a level of anguish and suffering as a source of creative inspiration and therefore, whether as the result or the cause, artistic people may be predisposed to greater emotional ups and downs in their personal lives than your average accountant or engineer. There are some very cool artists listed here but also quite a few that suffered serious addictions, relationship problems, and depression. It is interesting how we individually perceive “COOL”. For example, Johnny Cash (saw him in ’75) would be high on my list of “cool” even though he certainly had his personal problems with addiction, but he was faithful to his family and friends, and gave back through his advocacy for prison reform and treatment of inmates, including his concerts at Folsom and San Quentin prisons. I think there is something to the concept that genuine, authentic persons have a cool factor, in spite of their personal failures to cope. Most of the folks I immediately thought of as having the COOL factor have already been mentioned, such as: Johnny Cash, Roy Orbison, Susan Tedeschi, Derek Trucks, Greg and Duane Allman, Marcus King, Carlos Santana, Boz Scaggs, Zappa, Jimi Hendrix, Jerry Garcia, Bonnie Raitt, Janis Joplin, and so many others. A couple I did not see here (but may have missed) would include: B B King, Keith Richards, John Popper, Dr. John, and Bob Marley. Finally, I support @thecarpathian on the inclusion of The Monkees, and especially later on as they grew as musicians, song writers, and bandmates. IMO, while their astonishing level of achievement (the only act to have four No. 1 albums on the Billboard 200 in a calendar year) eclipsed their overall talent, they certainly had moments of brilliance and a “cool factor”. Mickey Dolenz was apparently the first to use a Moog synthesizer on a rock/pop recording, when playing it on Michael Nesmith’s song Daily Nightly from their Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones, Ltd. album. The song is about the night the Pandora's Box nightclub on Sunset Strip burned down. |
For some reason I never forget this moment when I was perhaps 12 or 13, listening to the Monkees, really tthought them great, and one of my older sisters puts them down stating session musicians did all the playing, I was kind of hurt, but I continued to like them. My continuing admiration of them turned out to be well founded, Nesmith and Tork both could have played on any of those albums and held their own, and voice is an instrument in any case. Mickey went on to become a decent drummer and did some interesting things over his lifetime, same as Michael and Peter, even Davey, teenybopper heart throb wasn't half bad. Nesmith was always the coolest one for me, he wrote, did some fine solo stuff, produced, plus a very intelligent guy. Bet you didn't know his mother invented Liquid Paper aka White Out. |
I actually did know about the Liquid Paper, originally called “Mistake Out”. She was a typist (link). About 10 years ago, Dolenz and his sister came and played at a festival in our town. It was a lot of fun. He is a natural showman. |
I believe Michael was a very serious guy, especially when it came to his music, he and Don Kirshner had major issues what with his insistence on studio musicians. Kirshner was a control freak, always claimed the Monkees were nothing without him.
Complete serendipity, watching a Harry Nillson doc last night, who should come up but Mickey, seems like I see Mickey in every musical documentary, that guy knew everyone! And he was the "Circus Boy" prior to all this.
And Peter Tork lived out in the valley Charles Manson days, he hung out with all the cool cats. And what about "Head" with the Nicholson. These guys got around, some think of them only as teenybopper idols, so much more, come to think of it they are kind of cool. |
I can play along. What makes YOU cool? Please don’t say your audio system because we have some "heavy hitters" at audiogon. Just look at the systems. BTW Anyone on audiogon who has had to abandon their moniker name or pseudonym and create a new one because of being an butt**** would never qualify as cool. I think most here understand this. |
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@slaw - I used to know Alejandro from the Mabuhay Gardens punk club in San Francisco in the 70's, and he was playing bass with the Nuns, one of the earliest SF punk bands. He was one of the nicest, friendliest people; no 'attitude'. |
@larsman . I saw him on "The Crossing" tour. He was such a cool guy, unpretentious. |