Wig,
Thanks for the note, on to the power supply!
Synergistic Red Fuse ...
I installed a SR RED Quantum fuse in my ARC REF-3 preamp a few days ago, replacing an older high end fuse. Uhh ... for a hundred bucks, this little baby is well worth the cost. There was an immediate improvement upon installation, but now that its broken in (yes, no kidding), its quite remarkable. A tightening of the focus, a more solid image, and most important of all for my tastes, a deeper appreciation for the organic sound of the instruments. Damn! ... cellos sound great! Much improved attack on pianos. More humanistic on vocals. Bowed bass goes down forever. Next move? .... I'm doing the entire system with these fuses. One at a time though just to gauge the improvement in each piece of equipment. The REF-75se comes next. I'll report the results as the progression takes place. Stay tuned ...
Any comments from anyone else who has tried these fuses?
Any comments from anyone else who has tried these fuses?
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Al You are the expert on patents..I do have limited exposure on these matters and open for many corrections and have been. I don't ever remember saying the paint patent had anything to do with the blue fuse. Somehow all that became mixed together. You and I found the new paint patent and I agree it has nothing stated about the fuse. Acoustic paints and surface additives are very intriguing and so is the SR patent. In claim 1 of the paint patent it states.... a resonant frequency so that the crystalline material will resonate in response to the sound generated by the source. What is the source? Could the source be another SR product as from the Atmosphere series? Thinking out loud. Will music or crowd noise be specific in frequency and level to activate a desired resonant response? Tom |
Thanks, Tom. Yes, it was a different member, not you, who has been asserting that "the patent for ’UEF Technology’ is the paint," claiming that Mr. Denney’s Acoustic Paint patent is what SR’s description of the Blue Fuse is referring to when it states that the fuse has been "engineered with our patented UEF Technology." As you realize, I have disagreed with his assertion, and I have also stated that none of the four patents you and I have discovered to have been granted to Mr. Denney have anything to do with fuses. All of this has been in response to a question that was posted several days ago asking if someone could identify the patent referred to in the Blue Fuse description. Regarding your question about the sound source, the claims appear to be worded broadly enough to encompass any audible source of sound in a listening room. While it is stated elsewhere in the patent that "in many cases, the sound is emitted from a speaker ...." I can’t answer your last question. Best regards, -- Al |
Crystals react to energy. The energy could be acoustic waves, I.e., mechanical energy or vibration such as structureborne vibration. Both are application of my crystals. In other words crystals act as "resonators" and dissipate (unwanted) energy. Along the lines of those tiny little resonator bowls. If an entire wall was painted with a crystal bearing paint it seems to me the "wanted" frequencies would be dissipated along with the unwanted ones. Kind of like using too much Sonex or whatever. The room would become an anechoic chamber, which is probably not a good thing. But I’m just guessing how acoustic paint would actually be applied to room walls. If acoustic paint was used sparingly on walls, in specific locations such as first reflection points, then it would make more sense. The crystals could also react to energy of RFI/EMI in the room, presumably reducing the level of same. |
While this is as patently exciting as watching paint dry, may I get back to Al on my REL subwoofer hookup? Al, thanks for your research into REL's instruction manuals for the proper wiring of a mono block amp to the sub's balanced input. I have not experienced any adverse effects from my equipment by combining the yellow and red wires onto the (+) speaker output terminal and the black onto the (-) terminal, and I hope this is because I have been using the unbalanced input on the REL all along. On the Bryston 4BSST stereo amp I used to use with only one REL Stata, the yellow and red were each attached to the left and right (+) speaker output terminals respectively, and the black was attached to one of the (-) output terminals, user's choice on that one. With going to a mono amp for each channel, I was told to combine the red and yellow as first described, but as you have informed me, this does not account for the full amplitude signal from the (-) output. I am hoping the unbalanced input on the REL does account for it, as the system does sound very pleasing as is, but I am interested in revising the hookup to the balanced input, as well, per your invaluable advice. Regards, Joe |
Jay23…unlike fuses, most component bits like the caps, resistors, transformers, tubes, etc., matched or otherwise, obviously all have plenty to do with the tone and performance of gear, and measurement isn't what I'm "harping" about anyway…it's simply that in the face of preposterous claims of tonal efficacy I would think somebody, perhaps the manufacturer of a product, could explain why and how a fuse would perform so many tasks that logic (and my previous fuse test) would indicate it couldn't. Carpal Tunneling (uh…make that Quantum tunneling), carping at me, eating carp, buying into SR's "fog of nonsense" when describing their pseudo esoteric methods of filling fuses with fudge or carbon or dog meat, all add up to not so much…a fuse is still simply a fuse, even if it "absorbs" the vibration of the cash in your pocket. |
almarg: Thanks, Tom. Yes, it was a different member, not you, who has been asserting that "the patent for ’UEF Technology’ is the paint," claiming that Mr. Denney’s Acoustic Paint patent is what SR’s description of the Blue Fuse is referring to when it states that the fuse has been "engineered with our patented UEF Technology." As you realize, I have disagreed with his assertion, and I have also stated that none of the four patents you and I have discovered to have been granted to Mr. Denney have anything to do with fuses. You must either be book smart, and lacking logic and deductive reasoning, or just have reading comprehension problems. Either way, I would certainly be wary of having you represent a patent. |
wolf_garcia: Jay23…unlike fuses, most component bits like the caps, resistors, transformers, tubes, etc., matched or otherwise, obviously all have plenty to do with the tone and performance of gear, and measurement isn't what I'm "harping" about anyway…it's simply that in the face of preposterous claims of tonal efficacy I would think somebody, perhaps the manufacturer of a product, could explain why and how a fuse would perform so many tasks that logic (and my previous fuse test) would indicate it couldn't. Carpal Tunneling (uh…make that Quantum tunneling), carping at me, eating carp, buying into SR's "fog of nonsense" when describing their pseudo esoteric methods of filling fuses with fudge or carbon or dog meat, all add up to not so much…a fuse is still simply a fuse, even if it "absorbs" the vibration of the cash in your pocket. You just want to have your cake and eat it too. 🙄 Like that desire, you are fully illogical. All of these items can be in the power supply. If fuses do not affect performance, why do people bypass them or make use of circuit breakers? Manufacturers have measured the differences. But again, you don't care about measurements...only things you can't comprehend. |
Joe (Jafreeman), thank you for the witty and gracious response. I hope my suggestion proves to be helpful. Jay23, since your last three responses to my posts have been largely devoid of anything substantive, I have little in the way of further comments. However, as best as I can surmise the key to what you may not be realizing could be reflected in your statement a few posts ago that: A patent need not discuss every usage and effect.A patent has no applicability to, and provides no protection against, uses and applications of something that is covered by the patent that do not fall within the scope of its claims. To conjure up a hypothetical example, if someone patents an additive to the rubber that is used in automobile tires, and the stated claims apply only to that usage, and someone else subsequently discovers that the same substance is useful as an additive to carpenter’s putty, that someone else is free to market the substance for that purpose. In fact he is even free to patent its use for that purpose, assuming usage for that purpose meets the requirements any patent must meet (i.e., its usage for that purpose must be new, useful, and non-obvious to someone reasonably skilled in the particular art). That kind of situation, involving patents for new applications of previously patented substances or methods, occurs very commonly. Similarly, use of Mr. Denney’s patented acoustic paint for purposes that do not fall within the scope of the claims in the patent, such as for treating fuses, is not protected by that patent, and that patent has no relevance to such usage. Regards, -- Al |
Jay23, since your last three responses to my posts have been largely devoid of anything substantive, I have little in the way of further comments. However, as best as I can surmise the key to what you may not be realizing could be reflected in your statement a few posts ago that: If you figure out the truth, you will realize how substantive they are. You are looking at this from the perspective of a patent lawyer. Look at it from a marketing perspective. 😉 That will be my last hint. Hopefully someone has had that "ah hah" moment regarding the patent, paint, and UEF Technology. |
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Finally, the answer on fuse directionality from Synergistic! Rejoice, ye refuseniks! from Synergistic web page for the new Blue fuse, Frequently asked questions. Q: Are fuses directional? A: Yes, fuses are directional. Electricity should flow from the left to the right when you view the fuse. If you do not know the direction of flow you should listen to the fuse inserted in both directions. One direction will sound more detailed. This is the correct way. |
You are "assuming" that every fuse is needed for protection purposes, and that there is no difference. That makes an "ass" out of "u." No your are sunshine, as any fuse is there to stop component/s from frying up ot even exploding, which can result in fire and even death. So who’s the ass? (A typical fusers statement, please name one fuse that’s not there for protection.) Cheers George |
No your are sunshine, as any fuse is there to stop component/s from frying up ot even exploding, which can result in fire and even death. So who’s the ass? You are defining the purpose of a fuse. The original Shunyata Hydra and the Akiko Corelli both have zero electrical components. Given most of the downstream gear has fuses, and a quality surge protector is used, their fuses aren’t "needed." |
Hey guys ... Positive disagreement and constructive criticism is always welcome. This is how we learn Go back and read this entire thread. You'll see why I opted to start the new Blue fuse thread in a different forum. I'm pretty much done here. Bring your positive selves over to the Misc. Audio forum for a good discussion on the new SR Blue fuses. They are quite remarkable. Frank |
imgoodwithtools: As a proponent of the Synergistic Black fuse in my Audio Research Reference 6, I was curious how the new Blue fuse would sound. Simply put, I do not like it in my system. It's as if some of the energy has been zapped from the presentation, especially in the highs. I'm going back to Black. Did you break-in the fuse for the recommended 200-300 hours? |
WTF!!! $225.00!!! Oy vey!!! https://www.audiogon.com/listings/tweaks-ultimate-shd-our-best-2017-10-06-accessories |
From the AM advertisement;
The New Ultimate is extremely difficult to build considering we are drilling into both sides of the fuse now, sometimes it takes 1-3 try's to get one good fuse [ lots of labor involved ].Sounds like a real garage stall operation. Maybe if they sell enough of them at $225 each, they can buy a machine and make their own fuses instead of drilling and filling somebody else's fuses. Pretty amazing to think buyers are paying that much for a $2 fuse with some goop inside. I wonder how good it could get if they gooped a SR Blue fuse.....just make sure it is pointed in the right direction! |
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When you make any changes we go from listening to focused listening and we will always hear the change. 149.00 for a fuse, really? You got more funds to throw than I do. I love my system without them, $500 footer and $5,000 power cords. Appreciate what you got. That will save you a lot of money to buy music. |
Hello there fellas, I have a question for you. I listen to 70 percent Metal-punk-Classic rock and 30 perecent what i’ll just call audiophile recordings for the sake of time. The 70 percent obviously wins out for me. Would the latest red,black or new blue be the best fuse and outlets for what I like to call Metallically, tinged noise aka the 70 percent. A huge thank you in advance to anyone who can offer me any insight. Mikey |
@phillyb, Why buy music when you can stream CD-quality unlimited music for under $20 a month. Because I enjoy collecting and owning the music. I have thousands of CD's and continue to buy them. I owned thousands of LP also, sold them all in the early '90s to a record collector, and never looked back. |
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@phillyb, It seems that we're cut from the same cloth. I have a large library of CDs which I continue to enjoy immensely (Just as some do with vinyl records). There are multiple ways for music lovers to enjoy listening in their homes . No doubt that streaming is a great option for many. Each of us decide what method suits our needs/desires most comfortably. If you're happy with your chosen music providing medium then all is well. Charles |
