Synergistic Red Fuse ...

Don't try this at home. No fuse rolling for me as I have been using cryo treated N52 magnets for years. Direction is obvious as you follow the ac voltage in and follow the dc voltage rails. Couple bucks apiece before doing the cryo and treating the center circumference with AVM. Component upgrade level of quality. More slam, more stage, more focus, no noise, no bang. Don't try this at home.  I use these in conjunction with 6 dedicated Hubbell 5361's cryo'd multiple times. Single plugs have less mechanical resonance than their noisey twin.  Remove the 2 ferrous fasteners and replace with brass. The 5361's can be had for about 8 bucks and use with non ferrous stainless steel plates. Paint the inside of the plates with AVM. Tom

I'll do that and be happy to compare any of the contenders to a N52  cryo'd magnet that has a mu-metal collar around its center. Even add to the lineup a cryo'd copper rod cut and polished to size. And your right that shouldn't take long. Tom

Gents, 
If your speaking about a fuse that has 2 blades like a car fuse I feel that such a design is less of a compromise of performance when compared to a standard glass fuse. Tom

Don't know how long. I know to discern the difference on sound quality takes only an instant. I use one of the two I mentioned but both are very good. Don't try this at home or in a tree house in the sky. On one the direction is innate. I have not tried silver. The affects from cryo are permanent (ask NASA) and can be seen under an electron microscope.. each additional treatment   further enhances the alignment. Is the tunneling permanent and can the affects of this treatment be seen as to how it affects the material structure? Tom

Count me in if you also include N52 magnets as replacements for fuses. . Tom

so if magnets were placed in their own sub category then the user base would be <10..meaning that all of f. is missing the sonic benefit of the magnetic link. Not UL approved but approved by my sonic receptors. Tom

remember the use of magnets negate the safety aspect of the use of a fuse. Magnets were used for audio testing and not for any consumer products.

sent this email to a friend about my first experience with magnets instead of over sized fuses used at the time.   written 3/9/08

Pete, Had the magnets on the board when Darrell did all the upgrades and mods to the amps..You have the pictures. Tonight was WOW replaced the mains fuse..and its all a lot better. The main vocals are now at the top of my SP4 rack and the balance and pressure in the room is all most exact left to right. More detail and harmony in the highs. Things I thought were to loud on the same disc ..can just sail thru.don't reach for the volume and jump up to tweak the balance...and shits everywhere..more depth and I can hear further into the silence at the end of the disc being played and in between cuts as they fade from one to another. The transition is quiet and seamless. Cool..Tom

I think besides the increase in conductive surface area a magnet helps focus the electron field so it is less random and becomes more organized. Like the electrons that leave a cathode in a picture tube they may leave at different angles but can be adjusted with a magnet or as an electron lens. The magnet may bend the electrons towards a common point.

For me magnets also appear to focus vibrational energy over a given surface even one that is considered a non traditional conductor. They make for a more dynamic and organised presentation. Results in better sound.

Tom...

When the electrons direction are bent by the magnetic field then they have a shorter path to travel across the conductor.

Some electron microscopes use a magnetic lens to focus electrons.

Vibration can generate electricity that can react to the magnetic field.

Musical instruments generate large amounts of vibration..hear that.

Tom

"Exactly why I use cryo treated N52 magnets"..Tom

I have tried both thru out my system..doing one side at a time. The side without the magnets..well I had to move my chair almost in front of that speaker to capture the balance from both speakers. Made more difference on the ac side of things..maybe it reduces the phase differential . Maybe there is an enhancement in regards to one direction and therefore more easily heard and sensed. Copper may have a preferred direction of use but not a reference to polarity as in a magnet. Tom

Easy to reference and mark the polarity.  Its up to the listener to determine the chosen direction for best sonic results. Tom

My turntable has a fuse and I  made a decision to replace it with a N52 magnet..I did so years ago ..2008 on my LP12..all mirrors and no smoke. The magnets cost $2.43 American and direction is obvious by nature. Freedom of your own choice to do so or not.All slam and no fumes.Enter at your own risk. Tom

Use a N52 magnet in place of the fuse or the jumper..$ 2.49  American. I use them everywhere..enter at your own risk. Tom

I read a year or so that lithium ion batteries charging time could be reduced by at least 25% with the addition of graphene to their charging posts. Another benefit was that this added material allowed for the battery to approach a near 100% full charge capability when compared to the standard terminal post which never seemed to reach full capacity. Tom

Wolf 

I don't use bags of pebbles nor do I use fuses but I do use reactive brass coupling discs to change the speed and the direction of mechanical wave types that are a large part of what we don't like and do like about the sound of our cables and most anything else..  Any material that contacts another material depending on their geometric alignment..well both will elicit a speed and direction change. Tom

I am having really good luck with shear things and all things solid. Tom

A cap guy here on AudioGon uses the Acme Labs and told me he likes them alot. Me, Myself and I use N52 magnets not fuses that are also Cryogenically Treated 2 times because I am a creature of excess. Tom

Geoff

What you say  in public probably isn't what you use in your play pen at your family crib...or patio home . If you use a battery on your supply side your system will sound better when your dc is placed upon and grounded on a Sistrum platform and not on a spring board thingie. Chemistry within a battery is able to reach its point of stasis on a grounded platform such as Sistrum rather than one that reacts on multiple axis..like a sippie cup in the hands of a 70 year old walking out to get their mail. I am getting close but still sniff my wine out of a glass and am able to retreive my mail everyday on my daily pass. Tom

Have you installed a LIGO in your home yet? Send us a greeting card with a picture of your play pen atop a LIGO.  You cannot replicate LIGO for less than a billion and your home owners ass..wont allow you to perform such an impossible task as you may wake a neighbor performing the install..When you play loud music in the presense of LIGO...the compession waves attack your device..as they do thru any solid. So in any audio system other than yours (headphones) LIGO would retain the crap rather than providing a high speed exit to ground. Tom

I miswrote previous.

So with LIGO you could not place and playback any audio system in the same room as LIGO ..without IT being corrupted by the transmission of any shear wave or compressive wave..For LIGO to succeed outside its container it must duplicate that same containment where ever it travels. In your home with electronics that generate wave types from transformers motors and speakers LIGO would be a storage device for such wave types. Those devices would include diaphragms contained inside headphones and any device that has a power source or motor to drive those. They all generate shear waves and compressive waves as part of their motion .

Think about the possibility of eliminating all forms of motion..compressive and shear..then what Geoff?.Can you hear that? Anything.....Tom

So would the vacuum of LIGO be able to prevent electron motion and its resulting vibration  generated externally from an alternating current on a filament inside a fuse ?

While the ac signal is not the smallest or largest wave motion it is the first in line of the many that will follow. Heck many audio companies claim the source is the most important of signals...could it be the ac fuse..is so vital as it is the first component inside most audio devices. 
Hanging on this hair thin element is an 8 gauge power cord ..what kinda battle of scale and competing forces is that one. Just a projected image..Tom

Al,

Thanks for your knowledge and response!

The answer to find a better fuse might be in some dynamic testing method which you may have some knowledge of rather than just the standard heat rise and current capacity that I have read about.

Tom

Geoff ,

Certainly you must remember I don't use fuses they were replaced long ago with magnets in 2008 and they don't have a filament that will vibrate and they are not damped but they are direct coupled ..I was just checking..to see if you were still reading from the same old set of cue cards..and you are. 

I don't use damping materials in my system. Everything is direct coupled. My speaker drivers are damped by their surrounds and those will soon be augmented with devices to reduce and remove reflected interference. You cannot achieve this with damping. Damping is an overused term and a work around for the real solutions..keep looking 

The LIGO system cannot be a reality in an active household. Example turning on the bathroom fan to remove the after effects of compression waves generated..both will generate shear waves in your LIGO system which is now out of its own protective vacuum...

 Tom

 

Geoff

As your memory has gone it must now suffer from partition and isolation from previous responses..That's the only point of isolation I agree with you on.  Please remember that.  

I will say again I never met or conversed with Green in any way or in any fashion period..I am not a joiner or a schooler..

I look for workarounds and solutions to materials and construction methods used in my line of work with musical instruments and audio. I employ materials and methods which provide additional reactance as well as enhanced direction for vibration to travel...and much less roaming.These methods increase acoustic output and dynamics while at the same time reduce hand and arm fatigue needed to play the instrument. Depending on the instrument also the lungs.

With a friend and associate we have identified wave types that cause interference and therefore inefficiencies  in some materials and objects. We are at work on ways to reduce and eliminate those type. Isolation methods your school suggests do not and cannot separate out the needed wave portion from the one that causes interference. You need to start looking again as you stopped decades ago.  Tom

Geoff

You are part of the obstacle to the increase of resolution..You used the descriptive term   "annihilated "  in context to how LIGO operates and that's okay with me in that science.  As for the science of sound and your own personal methods I will use the word "homogeneity" to describe how you lump all wave types including those needed for accurate reproduction into a blender. The soup sandwich you ascribe to will not allow for one single ingredient to be removed...and that single unit in the soup sandwich is the main problem. Unlike your play doll LIGO ..you..meaning Geoff can Not detect and separate this ingredient from the mix. We all have access to all the same clues in the same clue book, butt you Cannot see them and therefore are clueless..

Tom

Possibly like removing the cover and installing magnets for directional enhacement. Tom

I only joke about you and that guy that's orange..Tom

Almarg and Wolf I have some experience with patents and their searches. I did not find a thing on either the company or Mr. Denny, however I did look several years ago and found a patent application for Mr.Denny I cannot remember for what field the application was made. I did not see a patent granted..but there is a lot of info to comb out on the USPTO site.

I use n52 cylinder magnets and not fuses. Someone asked about nickel over brass.. The magnets are nickel plated to reduce or eliminate corrosion of the compressed neo powder underneath which is highly absorbent to ambient moisture. 

Maybe someone on the thread has experience with applying a graphene suspension.. like a liquid to conductive metals. I would like to try such an application of graphene to the nickel plating of the cylinder magnets. In hopes the enhanced conductive surface and the magnet within would make for an even more powerful music presentation. Tom

Al,

With the proper spelling I found this..https://www.google.com/patents/US9732234..

Two days ago I was doing a search for graphene suspensions and I found mentions of patents that Sherwin Williams had for paints and industrial coating that contain graphene as surface protectant.

The http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/100399-enabl-processes.html .. U.S. patent # 5,304,746 of Bud Purvine can also be applied to all flat surfaces including walls and ceilings...everyone seems to guess why this surface treatment works,,and it does and why the particular material was chosen as the paint. Not much to do with standing waves...In my opinion the pattern and the conductive surface speed of the cured paint are the key. Thanks Al..Tom

Yes and they use graphene as an additive to machine pistols and guns..makes for the possibility of more efficient destructive power.
Always an alternate use for materials. Tom

Al, 

The patent of Bud Purvine has several valid benefits to laminar flow across either a moving surface (cone) or one that's stationary..like a wall. Tom

Very cool...can I also apply this solution to the battery terminals of my hybrid? Keep me in the loop. Tom

You dont know. Some things in your room do travel faster than the sound barrier. Just need to know their identity and how to deal with them..Tom

My box is in my audio room behind a home grown acoustic panel. The system sounds better with the doors removed from the panels. The system is powered down and anything with a standby is unpluged. I like what hear and feel. Tom

Wolf

I think the dispersion of solids would need to be smaller and more uniform than Sponge Bob residue and harder. Sorry Bob.....Tom

A material that is small and high velocity. Tom

Could be that it may take a full 8wks for the paint to cure. There are climate active paints..so why not an acoustic paint.. his patent says there is...without a formula..You could mix your own if there is any basis for that type of coating. The Enabl paint patterns work on speaker fronts and with more calculation they should work on walls. Has nothing to do with P waves.  Tom

Frank 

I just checked my purchase file..bought my first slug of AVM in March 2008.
Painted the inside of SC4s back in '94 with Cascade Vbloc..gallon in each speaker..that made a hugh difference to seal away all that glue and mdf.

Use the new version of Cascade as it turns from purple to black when dry. So it can be carefully applied to some baffles and bezels or inside any box. Tom

Al,

You or I found Mr. Denney’s latest patent on line and posted its reference number on this thread. I don’t see any connection between any of his patents and black and blue fuses.

The latest patent has to do with an acoustic paint and is written in a typical broad and vague manner as if it was drawn for protection prior to a final operating product...TBD..like.

Using my phone right now but I think I remember something about activation by an electronic device. Could be part of the continuum of the UEF. Just thinking like I usually do on the crazy edges.

There are some old and some new methods on room or resonance control within a room or on a surface. Some of these work and are now expired patents. Most were described incorrectly from the outset and one that has worked for nearly 30 years is thought to control standing waves..when in fact it eliminates a portion of a specific wave type..

So it could be that acoustic paint formula could be activated by a transmission wave of sorts and produce a higher contrast audio event. Maybe ..kinda like movie screens have a different surface treatment to amplify light or boost contrast..or increase the viewing angle. Some screens do all three at the same time.

There are a couple new things coming one mechanical and one electronic both of which are well detailed as to why they work but need to be experienced in the first person to fully comprehend and understand..Both greatly enhance music and make for greater reality as was discussed in the link Al posted.. No paint. Tom

Mr. Perfectpathtech

That may have been like the original Cascade product that went on gray and stayed that color. The new Cascade goes on purple and drys black. I feel the original and new perform slightly different..I too have painted all my subs and bookshelf speakers as well a my former SC4’s. Makes a huge difference. If you do a pair of speakers on their insides you need to keep track of how much is used in each one. You do this to maintain a balance. While this product is drawn into the wooden material it also disrupts certain wave types that travel on these surfaces when fully cured like concrete containing super fine aggregate. I found this product link for some that may wish to mix their own..ceramic spheres like Geoff some times speaks of and may well be used in the products you and I have both used in the past.  There are many more. Tom .http://www.hytechsales.com/insulating_paint_additives.html

The perfect room would sound like the the open air spaces of a desert or the Bonneville salt flats when no one’s racing. With no boundary effects other than salt or sand below the resulting p- wave would have little or no interference. That is the key the removal of horizontal and vertical wave interference which will return to the source thru all the attached boundaries faster than the speed of sound thru air. That is the sound of a room with boundaries. Tom

You got it right...plus this is a new product with not much comparative verbage under it's wings. Tom

Al

Pardon me but I too think the patent leaves open the door for modulation by an external source not just particle motion of the air in the room. If it were just the air in the room then the ambient temp. and humidity would be the constant variable as to how the paint would react and perform at any given period of time. Tom

Al

You are the expert on patents..I do have limited exposure on these matters and open for many corrections and have been.

I don't ever remember saying the paint patent had anything to do with the blue fuse. Somehow all that became mixed together. You and I found the new paint patent and I agree it has nothing stated about the fuse.

Acoustic paints and surface additives are very intriguing and so is the SR patent.  In claim 1 of the paint patent it states.... a resonant frequency so that the crystalline material will resonate in response to the sound generated by the source. What is the source? Could the source be another SR product as from the Atmosphere series?  Thinking out loud. Will music or crowd noise be specific in frequency and  level to activate a desired  resonant response? Tom