Synergistic Red Fuse ...


I installed a SR RED Quantum fuse in my ARC REF-3 preamp a few days ago, replacing an older high end fuse. Uhh ... for a hundred bucks, this little baby is well worth the cost. There was an immediate improvement upon installation, but now that its broken in (yes, no kidding), its quite remarkable. A tightening of the focus, a more solid image, and most important of all for my tastes, a deeper appreciation for the organic sound of the instruments. Damn! ... cellos sound great! Much improved attack on pianos. More humanistic on vocals. Bowed bass goes down forever. Next move? .... I'm doing the entire system with these fuses. One at a time though just to gauge the improvement in each piece of equipment. The REF-75se comes next. I'll report the results as the progression takes place. Stay tuned ...

Any comments from anyone else who has tried these fuses?
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+1 on the "Or consumer fraud"

+1 on the "the fuse rating issue remains a dangerous thing"
"Fuse blew? Try one rated higher"

This last one will void warranties', and lead to declined insurance claims.

Cheers George 


I don't care for technical jargon
Voodoo is far more believable isn't it. And the world is flat.

Cheers George
almarg
Al, they’re deliberately overrating their fuses, biasing the fuse higher into class-A, so it runs hotter, closer to the melting point, this voodoo will come next.

Cheers George

They say all these SR fuses sound even better if you freeze them overnight, trouble is you only get 15mins of even more blissful music before they thaw out.
To counter this, one should have a stash of them in the freezer that way you have it covered for a couple of hours.
Then use them for the second time in the opposite direction to counter them getting polarised.

Cheers George
+1 ptss, and I’d say every tech on this planet would say so too. And they are the ones that design the equipment we all listen to.
And here we have a few voodooists that have next to no tech skills at all saying they’re wrong.
It’s really sad to think that they have some influence over the gullible to hand over a hundred + dollars for a 10 cent mains fuse, and to also have the hide to say it's directional as well, with no proof from the manufacturer stating so. 

Cheers George
What WAS said was the SYSTEM sounds out of phase with the fuse installed in the improper direction.
Now I’ve heard everything, total snake oil voodoo.

These guys must be turning in their graves, at the stuff being spoken here.
Laws of electronics were discovered by Georg Ohm, Charles Augustin de Coulomb and Gustav Kirchhoff and are known as Ohms law, Coulomb’s Law and Kirchhoff’s laws.

Cheers George
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No sinister thoughts at all
Not you Uber, but there are others that have.

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Pioneer receiver, two cheap floor standing speakers jammed up against the wall between a big screen TV in an almost bare room. Yeppers ... no improvement from the fuses at all. *lol*
I can beat that, my stuffs all from Radio Shack or Tandy as it was know here. Which may even sound better than yours with the voodoo fuses.

Cheers George
Give us all the links Geoff so we can all read it, instead of asking us to believe your hearsay.

Cheers George
does that mean it’s been blessed by MIT? NASA? The Pope?
No, only still by you Geoff, as your not prepared to show and post any non affiliated (even affiliated) fuse links that prove with "scientific data that fuses are directional". All you present is your own hearsay.

Cheers George

Is it that hard to post a link again so others can see as well ??, as it's not in the last two pages, or is it, in your minds eye as well.

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analogluvr323 posts06-17-2017 8:27am Just a heads up that somebody took apart one of those purifiers and it was a two dollar resister inside. I believe it shows a pic on Cam in a thread about that same product.
This is one, just a .025ohm resistor, there are others, if anyone wants to shatter their dreams.

From diyAudio forums.
http://i52.tinypic.com/2r4q7h3.jpg

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geoffkait5,824 posts
George, I bet you and analogluvr actually believe it's just an ordinary resistor. 

Oh yes they are, nothing more ,nothing less. unless they've had some sort of voodoo spell cast on them, they are just plain Pacific brand power resistors.

http://www.pacificresistor.com/

Cheers George 

Al's a bit of a fence sitter with things like this.

But to me these fuses are up there with Shaun Mook Mpingo pucks, very unexplainable things going on, can really **** with your head.


Cheers George

OK, try this one for an experiment only, definitely not for long term for safety sake.

Make sure all is working fine and you grown used to how it sounds. Then remove the "red fuse" and bridge out he the fuse holder with some copper wire, you can even tack solder it on the outside of the fuse holder. It should sound the best, if anything at all.


Cheers George   

georgelofi, dear sir, you are sadly confused by only a portion of the facts IMHO.


Facts "IHMO" ?????? please post all these "facts" up by all means, back by some sort of SOUND technical explanations to their advantage to sound quality improvement. Myself, and I’m sure many others here are all ears to hear the "facts" and their technical explanations.


Cheers George

mapman

    I have no doubt that no fuse is likely the best fuse for performance but I’ll pass on that. It is what it is. If I need better sound I’ll figure out some other way to get it beside eliminating the fuse that the designers deemed wise to put in there..

Ididn’t say to "eliminate". Isaid to try as an experiment, just like your doing now with these fuses. Cheers George


geoffkait

    the old copper wire bypass trick probably actually isn’t up to snuff anymore. Not to mention the unpleasant sound resulting from soldering the copper wire.
    geoff at MD

    Your kidding right???

    What do you think the yards of traces under your circuit boards are made of??? Copper!!!

    Cheers George

    After all that was YOUR claim - that a straight wire bypass would outperform an aftermarket fuse.


    Technically YES, if one is a technician and a betting man you would put your money on the "temporary" 10mm piece of copper wire everytime, unless one is a voodoo’ist then your a believer that pigs can fly. That’s why this sort of thing is not getting any reco in the "Tech Talk" forum and should not be given it as well. Unless these fuses are resistive, capacitive, or inductive in nature, then there are grounds for a technical discussion on them, and if they are any of these then they can only be detrimental to performance in the power supply chain.


    Cheers George

    karmapolice94 posts03-21-2016 11:36amI decided to switch the direction on the black fuse on the dartzeel amp after all because lack of bass weight was bothering me.

    The improvement was immediate with the bass weight slam back and the soundstage easily improved from the red fuse.

    it goes to show that experimentation is always necessary and trust your ears ......


    Direction change on an AC fuse for different sound???

    http://audiofast.com/prods/recenzje/6moons/6moons200507_NHB-108/max_21.jpg


    Cheers George


    http://highend-electronics.com/products/audio-magic-premiere-beeswax-super-fuse

    Here are some normal fuses pumped with bees wax, but I found that if I saved my ear wax and injected it, it was soooo much better, the difference was night and day, and my ears were cleaned out as a bonus.


    Cheers George



    Well said Whitestix
     There's way too much voodoo in this industry that not substantiated with any technical explanation offered.

    EG: Shun Mook Mpingo room treatment devices.

    http://www.stereophile.com/features/69/#eE3kszwsp5RadvU3.97

    After all every piece of equipment that everyone owns, is made using the laws of electronics and test gear to develop it. Anyone who has something that's not made using these has voodoo gear. 

     


    Cheers George

     

    This sort of thing about how a fuse sounds needs to be put in the bin. Cheers George


    Its quite remarkable. A tightening of the focus, a more solid image, and most important of all for my tastes, a deeper appreciation for the organic sound of the instruments. Damn! ... cellos sound great! Much improved attack on pianos. More humanistic on vocals. Bowed bass goes down forever
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    BTW, I’m sure OP’s statement that you quoted was said with tongue firmly planted in cheek. :-)

    Best regards,
    -- Al

    I don’t know Al, he’s applauded things that left me shaking my head in wonder and fear for the gullible.

    PS: maybe I should try sitting on your fence, this s**t is starting give me an ulcer.

    Cheers George

    Al, you are such a fence sitter/pacifier, "you need to come out". We non voodooists, all know this fuse stuff is at best, bunch of psychological BS, especially with statements like.

    "What? you don’t think this is a viable solution to getting the last bit of the corners of the sound stage:"


    Cheers George

    Hey whitestix.


    That looks very much like a voodoo doll as GK’s avatar, that could explain it all.

    Out of 3000 posts GK you’ve only contributed 3 discussions to this forum, and they are beauties!!!

    https://forum.audiogon.com/users/geoffkait/discussions


    Cheers George

    A tightening of the focus, a more solid image, a deeper appreciation for the organic sound of the instruments. Damn! ... cellos sound great! Much improved attack on pianos. More humanistic on vocals. Bowed bass goes down forever.


    All from a fuse change, you need to do a GK and change your avatar.

    http://www.womenofgrace.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/voodoo-doll.jpg

    Cheers George

    Just to who the voodoo'ist are, for a reference not to believe anything they say in future posts on any topic.


    Cheers George

    This thread has disintegrated to where it deserves to be, and is a total waste of the forums server hard drive space.

    Cheers George

      

    wolf_garcia


    A1++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


    Cheers George

    It’s a 1/2" piece of resistance wire that has AC (alternating current) running through it, that changes direction 60 x a second, or 50 x where I live, it’s all BS.

    Cheers George

    +1 Wolf, and "passively elegantly written" Al, sure your not getting splinters there buddy? 

    Sending back?? That was part of the marketing strategy!!!

    Even if half send them back, they still made a fortune, about 99% profit on each fuse. Then the half that got returned get sold again as new, as they don't advertise "B" stock for sale cheaper do they????


    Cheers George      

    If she says what a difference to the sound before, or even that sounds good,  ill take it as judgment.


    She's just keeping you interested, if you know what I mean???

    Cheers George

    "Simply buy several and remain near your gear with a fire extinguisher for a day or two just to be safe"  

     This is actionable behavior in a court of law. It is DEFAMATION.
     

    So is claiming a mains fuse is directional, and also dangerous to tell non techs to keep reversing them, until one time they forget to disconnect the plug from the mains, BANG!!! say goodbye to your short and curlies.

    Cheers George  
    but it made sense to me that a cheap fuse could be a bottleneck to good sound
    Which qualified electronic technician has said this, to make sense to you??
    Or was it just some c**p that came from a voodoo’ist mouth, who has not one bit of technical knowledge.

    As for a fuse to become a "bottleneck" it needs to become highly resistive to such a point that it would blow with no faults.
    If it’s not resistive at all, then you may as well have a piece of copper wire soldered in place of the fuse.

    Cheers George

     geoffkait, does a bear sh*t in the woods, sorry no I can't ask you that, because you can't see the forest through the trees.
      
    Read up on AC theory and then you'll understand just how much voodoo bull**** you and others are speaking about fuses being directional when mains AC is involved.
      
    Even if they were DC rail fuses, it would be still voodooistic to say they were directional.
    Now there's something you can try geoffkait, use a dc fuse of the same amp rating instead of an ac fuse, then you may hear something different, I'd be interested in this outcome.  

    Cheers George  
    A few posters here actually tried these products and found that they could perceive no sonic changes, or no changes for the better. I totally respect them and their views and I appreciate their contributions to this thread.
    And this backs what the technical experienced here have been saying all along.

    So, to put it bluntly, if you have no personal experience with these products, feel free to lurk, or to sincerely ask questions, but otherwise, please save yourself the agita and the wasted keystrokes, and let the rest of us get on with our little hobby....
    No wasted keystrokes when trying to protect/educate the gullible and their hard earned cash on the voodoo speak that AC fuses have directional sound differences. And unless your a forum cop, I wouldn’t tell the technical here what they can/can’t post when trying to protect the gullible from voodoo.

    Cheers George
    No it doesn't, but it may have an obvious list.
    You've been a member for a total of 11 days, in which you've had 7 posts, first post promoting the SR Black Quantum fuse, all bar one are on this one fuse topic.
    I'll leave the rest for others to work out.

    Cheers George
      

    Me thinks geoffkait is using "bot speak" for some answers, as it's way too out there to be a human being on the other end with some of the voodoo answers it's thinking up.

    Cheers George  
     is there a fuse made that has a built in fire extinguisher?

    I don't think so, but there is one that comes with a 30 day free psychologist.

    Cheers George
    ATT: non voodoo'ist.

    This just turns into a bump fest to sell more fuses, don't entertain it anymore. As without us, they bump themselves with which piece of music they like with their new fuse in place and it's becomes obvious it's a bumping ploy.

    Cheers George 
    different melting points
    ??????

    It is the melting point (blow point) that determines the amperage. If they blow and the other don't, they're wrongly rated.
    Do not up the amperage as you don't know what your getting, and your warranty of the equipment will be void as well.

    Cheers George
    The trolls are cackling with delight.
    And the voodoo'ist are preaching with zero facts.

    Cheers George
    geoffkait
    Seeing it’s now fact by many having these SR mains fuses blow, that the melting point (which is the blow point) is wrongly overrated.
    It’s a wonder you and the others haven’t sprouted other furphy that they are Class-A fuses, therefore closer to the blow (melt) point than a standard fuses are, so they must sound better, because they run so much hotter!!
    Put that in the audio book of voodoo book along with them being directional as well

    BTW if someone puts these in as their + and - DC rail fuses, and one blows before the other, you can say goodbye to that amp if not the speakers as well.

    Cheers George
    "BTW if someone puts these in as their + and - DC rail fuses, and one blows before the other, you can say goodbye to that amp if not the speakers as well."
    If you say so. But I suspect the operative phrase in that statement is "if someone puts these in...."

    Ok I'll rephrase it just for you geoffkait

    "BTW should some poor sod put these in as their + and - DC rail fuses, and one blows before the other, you can say goodbye to that amp if not the speakers as well."

    Cheers George

    You might learn how to spell LITTELFUSE correctly when trying to make your point.
    Is that all you have Geoff? beside the voodoo you preach?

    Hopefully anyone reading this thread looking for serious information realizes
    the Synergistic Fuse = nonsense . Schills,charatans and 'snake oil' purveyors seem to delight,sadly, in bull shite.
    ptss is oh so right in saying this.

    Cheers George