Also JoeCasey if we could do a demo where in a top flight system where we cover up all the wires and if you can guess the Odins 10 out of 10. Then you are on to something
Silly prices for Nordost cables
http://www.nordost.com/images/review-images/review-pdf/127555.pdf
$38000 for a 2m pair?
$17000 for a 1.5m power cord?
$20000 interconnect for 0.6 meters and only(!) $2000 for an additional 0.5 meter?
I know the debate is tired but this is beyond ridiculous.
$38000 for a 2m pair?
$17000 for a 1.5m power cord?
$20000 interconnect for 0.6 meters and only(!) $2000 for an additional 0.5 meter?
I know the debate is tired but this is beyond ridiculous.
129 responses Add your response
If you can hear the diff, and like it enough to pay for it, the whatever gizmo is worth what you paid for it. No more or less. To you. Period. The main issue I have now, is I can’t see well enough to make a clean get away from amajor heist, and I’m getting too old to risk selling a kidney. Or I’d have much more expensive gear. And, I’d tell everybody!! Provided I had enough weapons, security, and insurance. I heard a while back, “it is better to have the whole world think you a fool, than for you to prove it by opening your mouth and telling your friends how much you paid for your cables.” This is of course if your cable inventory exceeds $25K. At less than $5 or $10K, I’d risk it. Let’s face it, even discussing costs on hardware, and even speakers can easily make folks mouths open quickly and eyes roll. Many of which often reply, “what are you trying to do, get enough volume they can hear you in the next county?”” … which is as well, just as stunning IMO. No? try explaining you aren’t seeking volume but quality of sound. Their eyes still roll and the conversation dies with someone saying, My, look at the time! Or Is that Elvis? My favorite response is when people see a tube amp and ask, “so, you are into antiques, huh?” I’ve learned my lessons talking prices of anything to anyone… not as afflicted. Mostly. Perhaps the worst response comes from other audio nervosa eletists which after hearing what your rig consitsts of reply “and that xyz cable is all you put on that yada yada thingy”?” or worse, intimate obvious disdain. Sometimes ya can’t win for losing. Were I super rich In fact, it would be Odin’s for all!! Maybe. |
Fine musical instruments are available at every level of cost once you get beyond the cheapest ones, and they all sound different…at least pianos and guitars. Some Steinways suck, most don't, Gibson generally makes horrible sounding acoustic guitars, but they look cool so they sell…over decades of mixing live shows where primarily acoustic guitar players are featured, a Gibson is rare, although there are some great ones out there. I've known plenty of wealthy people ("wealthy" is, of course, a relative term) and they generally are too busy to really enjoy anything beyond an expensive restaurant, let alone an audio system…you think a dude running a hedge fund has time to compare cables? My fave recent comment about "rich people" was from Jay Leno at the Pebble Beach Concourse…he said, "show me a Ferrari collector who is still with his first wife." I like great sounding relatively cost effective gear, but then I have time to listen to it. |
This pretty much sums up this whole thread in a 30 second commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nehhH9rfnaw |
kw6So you think people with Nordost Odin II speaker cables use Bose? Have you ever considered Nordost is ICING on a cake to a fine tuned system with similar quality speakers, amps, room ...? |
@yping Don’t you get it? It’s not about affording stuff, it’s about being ripped off.Not rip off if NOT purchased from threats, coercion, intimidation ... Don't you get it??? |
@yping , I can't afford Nordost, but can afford Steinway grand or Gibson custom shop models. Isn't that weird? @parrotbee , I've seen petrolheads stalled in the rain with their muscle cars while I was passin' them at 70mph on my recently purchased Pathfinder smoking and humiliating these roaring, unmanageable, slown down to prevent hydroplanning on its wide low-profile performance tires! Same thingie happened in North Carolina during snow storm: Hey petrolheads! you may stay and wait, but I'm goin' home ciao bambino! |
These cables look like great value. Especially if you like 'em big. |
| Post removed |
Long time nordost user still have a good amount of it in my systems but its pricing is crazy high today and honestly is not worth even a fraction of that cost. I mostly use supra products they are of equal to better quality than nordost and greatly affordable by anyone. Today with manufacturers selling less items at more cost every year how long before it hits the wall? I think it already has. |
I thought I'd point out that ordinarily we audiophiles tend to believe magnetism per se is bad (rpt bad) for the sound. That's why we eschew steel screws in speaker drivers and steel bolts for holding down large transformers and magnetic chassis cases, to name several examples. Not to mention the magnetic fields that are produced by the current traveling through transformers, power cords and even wires. So what's up with using magnets on interconnects, cables and power cords? And using magnets on chassis cases? I'm not saying it doesn't work, by the way, I'm just pointing out the rather obvious discrepancy. |
I have used ferrite beads. They close the sound up. Now I put small magnets on my connectors.. it opens the sound. There's a difference between a ferrite that affects induced magnetic fields and the affects of a permanent magnetic field on the signal... I haven't compared my little magnets to the expensive magnetic adapters, but small neodymium magnets are cheap enough to be worth experimenting with. I even found small magnets that link together to go around motors and such. I used 3 of them around my power cords to good effect. Something like this, but the correct size.. https://www.apexmagnets.com/18mm-x-14mm-x-20mm-motor-magnets?fee=5&fep=167&gclid=CjwKCAjwuvj... |
I'm just becoming aware of the magnetic cables and add-ons for existing cables. I tend to be to be a non-believer in paying exorbitant amounts for any kind of cable. Just my opinion. Let's say the new cables by Mr Schultz actually work. Why not just add several ferite beads, properly aligned, to your existing interconnect? What's the difference? |
I think most people here do agree that cables give different results in sound, the post was about the pricing of some topmodel cables mentioned, not about if cables do or don’t give a difference. Anyone is obliged to spend his money as he wants, nobody can judge the worth of someone elses money, but I am sure that maybe like 9 out of 10 people that buy the Nordost Odin are either rich people that just want to buy what they are told is the best or what is the most expensive the store has, or audio lovers who did not take the time to actually compare sick amounts of cables in all classes to really judge if they could have been as happy with a portion of the money spent elsewhere. This is especially true for a brand like Nordost, most buyers either stepped up from lower models after falling in love and sticking to the brand or are prepared to pay the price asked for the feeling of " safety" a brand offers because it is so widespread sold all over the world and they feel assured they bought something right. The term cost-no-object is always used so lightly imo, none of these cables are cost-no-object. A company like this is not looking for what is possible without cost restrictions, that is not how the business world works. They are looking for something to sell at a price that is tactically thought out to be right one for their new topmodel at this point in time in the market and will look for a way to produce this as cheap as possible in a quality that is acceptable for them. And they wont send you a leaflet if they found out a way to halve their production cost half a year later too |
Class envy is such a waste of time. Comparing cable manufacturers to religion is pretty rich, since the deniers tend to be on crusades as they try to stamp out any belief in cable performance in thread after thread. Can't we all just get along? Can't we live and let live? If some companies are catering to the wealthy, why does that surprise anyone? I'm pretty sure that not one single person here has actually tried these $35,000 Nordost cables. |
If you reduced the Hubble telescope to it’s raw costs in elements (trace percentage analysis), it’s probably not over $100k in value, most likely no more than $20k. Probably even less. The given $1.2M Lamborghini is worse..probably not worth more than $3-5kus in elemental trace analysis. Arranging the atoms makes all the difference. ~~~~~~~~~ Those Nordost meanies! Lets get ’em! No wait! ...Arrrggh!... (Assumes fetal position) (receives red blanket treatment) |
barto49 posts08-31-2017 8:27amIf Nordost is making money on these cables I wouldn't call them ridiculous.... I would call them smart. If popes are making money on those foolish 'believers' from the walls of their churches to the point of building mansions and purchasing super cars, i would also call them smart, but... the actual cure to this and other typical nonsense and legalized rip-offs is education that somehow in catastrophic lack of truth. There also plenty of automotive shops that will gladly replace your Honda Accord or similar class vehicle pair of breaks for $800 and foolish would believe it's necessary and right to replace at the same time rotors and calipers to get '5 year hassle free replacement plan'. One way or the other, I know they're all trying to 'stick it' and they know where. Anyways, to debunk I always use just basic math. Basic and elementary math is sufficient enough to realize size of effort and value of raw materials to build Gibson SG vs. Nordost Odin or whatever. No need to know physics or electronics. From 'believer's' stand point, I'd simply say that pro-audio hook-up wires had been used to record tunes you're listening and are perfectly great for home-audio applications as 'reference' wires so reviews, legends and marketing descriptions can be easily ignored and dropped into the trash bin. Perhaps these NordOst wires are designed for folks that don't know or didn't learn how to compare throughout all time spent at useless schools. |
| Post removed |
This thread is an entertaining read. The title of the thread clearly, is going to get the predictable responses. I'm listening right now, to my system WITH this maligned brand and it sounds gooood. As long as you've tried it, and it doesn't fit with your sonic goals, how about just move to the next brand without the negative comments? There are several "giant killer"brands for cheap. Plenty of threads with users claiming their $200 speaker cable sounds just as good or better than Nordost cable. |
If the manufacturers convince us that someone is actually buying this stuff then they can convince the average consumer that $500 to $1000 for speaker cables is inexpensive. I have to say that their marketing is working. I have spent more on my system in the last couple years than i ever believed would happen. I haven't bought in on most of the tweaks though.Simple solution, trust YOUR ear! If from marketing, blame but yourself. Company is not forcing you to buy anything. |