Raul, where did you get a binary concept of human hearing? Inside the cochlea is an arrangement of ciliated cells that are set up very much like piano strings. When sound comes along at their intended frequency they release impulses that fire off axons in a continuous fashion. These impulses are handed off to the eight cranial nerve which travels to the parietal cortex where they are interpreted. There is absolutely nothing binary about it.
We are all audiophiles or we would not be here having this discussion.
We love music and we love the stuff that reproduces it. Take enough acid and it all sounds great.
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"...they release impulses that fire off axons in a continuous fashion." If impulses turn into a continuous something, do they need some kind of converter? |
That’s qualifies. Everyone who loves a nice reproduced sound is. As is every individual and his or her system. The act of obtaining and maintaining a playback system to hear amazing music qualifies you.
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Dear @glupson : " action potential ", was in the information I posted.
""" Still, if anyone is keeping tabs, it is not continuous. """
More clear than clean water.
Btw, your question in the last post is exactly what I posted to that same gentleman. Not only MIT research but other top institutions/gentlemans talk about discrete electric impulse and about " all or nothin " condition and " off/onn " condition too.
@looscannon , you can named as you wish : binary or whatever the subject is that are electric impulses: undreds of impulses at very fast speed. An impulse is discrete. In no one of the several researchs out there no one speaked of non discrete impulses and please remember that for scientifics they only know no more than the 17% of the whole brain operation so it's not " healthy " that you can post with absolute certainty what you posted. Of course that due to my very high ignorance levels on the specific subject I can be wrong but exist the possibility that you can be wrong either.
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rauliruegas,
""" Still, if anyone is keeping tabs, it is not continuous. """
More clear than clean water.
Do not quote me around here. Usually, nobody takes my statements seriously. As much as electrical impulses may not be continuous, over period of time it is enough of them to make it practically continuous, I think. I mean, there are short bursts, but there is so many of them and so close together that final outcome is practically smooth and virtually continuous. And then someone added neurotransmitters to the story which ends up going into a whole new ocean. Which is really a neurophysiology realm and barely discussible on a thread where people have varied backgrounds. From real estate agents to virologists. |
So could we maybe agree that digital could be awesome, but needs higher resolution. The problem is 16/44 just isn’t enough. What happened to sacd and hopes for other high res formats. I got tired of waiting and gave up on digital. But will welcome it back when it advances. I’ve been away from digital for quite a few years, am I missing something new and exciting. Don’t care about the convenience of streaming without sounding much better than CD’s. |
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"I’ve been away from digital for quite a few years, am I missing something new and exciting." Try newer DACs. |
@glupson : sorry I will not.
No matters what and how many impulses goes over a period of time still are discrete. In my first post about I said that maybe the distance in between could be angstroms.
Anyway, it is enough. I already confirmed what I need it to.
R.
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Macan and Rolex-- yep it works!!?? |
glupson...I take you seriously. Really....
I hope I'm taken seriously.....but, there is the range of Serious that gets applied to one in a given circumstance....
Serious as a heart attack.
Serious threat.
Seriously insane.
Seriously dense.
Etc.....(seriously....)
Like, "
If impulses turn into a continuous something, do they need some kind of converter?"
Yup, that grey mush inside ones' skull. Unique enough that noboldy hears and comprehends anything in exactly the same fashion.
To the point that, even when we agree on anything, it's still a subject for scrutiny on a 'nit-pick' level....
"Hell is other humans." *L* |
I have turntables (2.5)...does 2 cassette decks = 1 R2R?
I have 3 subs. I even eat them occasionally....
Do I be 'kinda audiophile'? |
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These silly attention grabbing headlines posted week after week after never ending week are getting tiresome and clearly demonstrate the sheer number of loosers that have no life and substitute this site for real life friends...
It's simply astounding.. |
asvjerry, Thanks for your trust (in my posts). "Yup, that grey mush inside ones' skull." Strangely so, this thread has been discussing the white one, not the grey one. |
It's bad enough that the original poster is looking for attention but the fact that you guys give it to him is even worse.. |
Says the guy who posted twice.
zoophaugus,
What I find astounding is the sheer number of people who have so much trouble spelling a simple word like loser.
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I'm a sports car fan and I own a Miata! and a turntable. No Rolex.... |
Raul, don't believe me. I'm just a peasant. Do google the human cochlea,
organ of corti and the physiology of human hearing. Neurons and all of our sensors are neither off or on. They are always somewhere in between. Off is dead. There is less active and more active. Pain is a good example. I can step on your foot and get a certain level of pain and I can take a full swing at your foot with a sledge hammer and that will get a more intense level of pain. Very analog. If I hooked you up to a DAC you would probably throw it against the wall uttering whatever four letter words you have in your native language. A few English ones might even sneak through before you try to kill me. Very typical human behavior. But please, this is just an example and I have no intention of swinging anything at you. I love your accent.
Zoophaugus, don't be a party pooper. Silly posts sometimes enact very interesting discussions. if you feel left out or somehow disenfranchised please visit another post. I'm sure you can find one to your liking.
Avsjerry, I'm not sure but I think that might make you a Pack Man.
Twoch, nobody cares. At least I think nobody cares. Lick your finger and stick it up in the air.
Geoffkait, I am totally lost.
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"Pain is a good example. I can step on your foot and get a certain level of pain and I can take a full swing at your foot with a sledge hammer and that will get a more intense level of pain. Very analog." Would stepping be C and sledge hammer A? Or both are A? Sledge hammer should be A, but what about stepping? I am really not sure, but would like to learn. Is it really a good example against what rauliegas was trying to convey? "A few English ones might even sneak through before you try to kill me. Very typical human behavior." Oh man, you have been hanging out with the wrong crowd. |
HEY SOKO..... you familiar with the word TAINT? |
Sure Walrus.
Hey Zoo-boy - it's called entertainment, fun and maybe some knowledge transfer (maybe more in other discussions) This one has touched on audio equipment (analogue and yes , digital), cars - (Porsches and others and yes, SUV's), Rolexes, biology, anatomy, physics, psychoacoustics and others I'm forgetting. Please lighten up.
394 and counting.....
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Since the consensus here seems to be "yes" and I listen to both analog & digital, I must be a double audiophile. Not sure I like that. |
No just an audiophile. Everyone if forced to listen to digital in their car, all audiophiles listen to both.DOn't know of anyone crazy trying to play analogue in the car.
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sokogear, then you don't remember (or hadn't occupied the planet yet...not your fault...) the 'car record players'. Yes, for LP's.!
You'd insert the disc much like a CD. Never had the opportunity to disect one, but the 'tone arm' (or whatever it was...) likely ran @ 10 grams and Still would skip and mistrack unless one was on a road smooth as a bowling alley (i.e., Rare)....Visions of vinyl curling up from the 'stylus', likely more like a sharp nail....
That would likely get 'attached' to the 'reverb unit'...a wonderful spring affair that would give a yield a memorial 'Boing!' that would last a few seconds.... Only vaguely 'listenable' on the same 'bowling alley' road...
Late '50's~early '60's 'car audio was...weird...then came the 8 track cassettes....Tape stopping mid-selection....extract cart to find the mechanism had become a acetate pasta nightmare....
Ah....the Gawd Aweful Old Daze.....(there is NO 'emoji' for this)...
@boxer12.....that's being a 'bi-phile'....(no gender reference)....
#378?
glupson....and then there's MC Hammer.....'2 legit 2 quit!'....(did anyway)...and it's all 'shades of gray' mush to me....🤪
looscanon....(pun intended) from the PacPunk....one is what one eats....and I dream of wires.....do digital direct...no analogies for analog, livin' live livedly.....;) *chaump*chaump*
Those who expect sensiblity on a late Fry/early Sat must have grown quietly quiescent on the settee', dateless despondent desperados....looser losers...
@thecarpathian....there is a difference....;)
It's Free....only a dollar....
GeoK, there is not foothold, lost 'n spaced....some get a grip, some just get the grippe'...
I had to make my own friends....that's wye they're a bit disjointed.... |
Beefheart was interviewed by Rolling Stone years ago. Had a great quote,"There are only 40 people in the world and 38 of them are hamburgers"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF177Aj59C8
One could ask: "WTF are you ON?!" A chair. |
"DOn't know of anyone crazy trying to play analogue in the car." I have a cassette player in the car and, if I decide to play any music, I play cassettes. Most of them recorded from LPs. Real LPs, from way back when. |
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"If you came to party, let me keep your hands up!"
FBS is just 10 years younger than I....and its' good stuff to knock the dust off the sub....
...if I let any collect...;)
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"It has a beat....you can dance to it"....*L* |
(Been a fan of Good 'sample & hold' since the Art of Noise....) Ann Dudley did the bulk of their arrangements....biilliant.... |
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My neighbour had a red Porche Super fifty years ago. His son still has it, and has restored to 100 % original working shape. Beautiful machine.
This super Porche is a tractor.
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asvjerry
34:15 >>>>WTF!? Did I miss a game yesterday? Scripture? |
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Such a bizarre thread on an ever increasingly bizarre forum site. "Audiogon...where people come to fight about audio."
Please, if you want to look at the OP's question for just a second, the real question is the definition of "audiophile" not the definition of those who don't have a turntable.
Audiophile, to me, has a pejorative tinge. Sure, I search for "audiophile" on Craigslist because sometimes that pulls up a great piece of gear, but it ain't because I want to be one.
In the dictionary, an audiophile is an enthusiast of good audio reproduction. In cultural terms, and audiophile is someone looking to climb their way up to the next level of the "audio pyramid" as it were; but unfortunately, all too often, the true audiophile intention is not in ascension of sound quality, but in ascension over other audiophiles. It's like the sealions all trying to be on top of that highest rock. That is even how one could visualize this particular thread, with miller, soko, and robert all waiving their tusks around at each other.
So if someone wants to come on this site and pontificate about reversing cables or argue whether one imperfect sound reproduction is the "true" method over another, then they're an audiophile. Because no one else cares.
(I love good sound and tinkering with my system. But my primary love is good music, reasonably well reproduced. For that reason I consider myself a sort of non-automobile "gearhead" rather than an audiophile. More practical. Less competitive.)
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Avsjerry, "His excited eyes from within the dark interior glazed
Watered in appreciation of his thoughtful cleveration."
Glupson, and anything in between. There is no A or B. It is a continuum from dead to shrieking.
Wrong crowd? Have a look around. The Captain was quite right.
jji666, what you have correctly stumbled over is typical human male behavior. Like baboons they scream at each other. The last one to get hoarse gets the girl. Mike even said it himself, something like," chicks dig cool turntables."
"Here she comes walkin, lookin like a zoo. Hi Ella, high Ella Guru." |
"...miller, soko, and robert all waiving their tusks around at each other." jji666 wins the award for the most imaginative post of the week on an ever increasingly bizarre forum site. I report that I am not trying to ascend anyone in this forum. |
looscannon, :Glupson, and anything in between. There is no A or B. It is a continuum from dead to shrieking." That is a new development in pain transfer. You shattered it all. No more A, B, and C fibers with their different structure? |
Avs jerry, "His excited eyes from within the dark interior glazed
Watered in appreciation of his thoughtful cleveration.
Glupson, There is no A or B. It is a continuum from dead to shrieking.
Wrong crowd? Have a look around. The Captain was right. The problem with being globalist is that most of the rest of the world is Localist. And if you step into their locality they will eat you alive.
jji666, what you have correctly stumbled over is typical human male behavior. Like baboons they shriek at each other. The last one to get hoarse gets the girl. Mike L said it himself, something like "chicks dig cool turntables." They love those 12 inch tonearms.
pcrhkr "yes" what? Everybody here started out by loving music. I think that is a given. The rest is typical human male behavior. |
"Here she comes walkin, lookin like a zoo, Hi Ella, high Ella Guru." |
looscannon,
A and B was referring to your example of pain. Anyway, to cut it short, it might have been a clumsy analogy.
I have been around the world, nobody ate me. I also have no friends who are looking forward to kill people. Maybe we are not typical crowd, that is true.
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One wonders when tusks doesn’t mean tusks? 😛 Well someone had to say it.
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geoffkait,
Shame on you for wondering the same as I did.
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Am I being tusk shamed? 😩
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