Should people with no turntable or reel to reel be considered audiophiles?
Just like those driving a Porsche SUV can join PCA (digital audio fans can join Audiogon) but are certainly not Porschephiles unless they also own a coupe (Panamera owners I guess gets a pass here).
Please respond with a yes or no and we'll tally a vote for the first 100 responses.
@andera So let me get this right. You think there should be a discussion on a "requirement" for entry to the hobby, that has absolutely no necessity to enjoyment of said hobby, and the concept of which, was based on, by one persons own inadvertent admission, their ignorance w.r.t. how many pieces of equipment in the hobby actually work? Do you also advocate for tennis clubs where members must swear their allegiance to old narrow tennis racquets? I am trying to understand where you draw the line? How about an automobile club, where all things about automobiles of all types and brands are appreciated, but to be a member, you must own an MG ... even though the club is not an MG club at all, it is just a general automobile club. Maybe we should go with the traditional definition of "audiophile" as one who pursues accuracy in audio reproduction (not their own personal taste, but accuracy), in which case, no one two talks about vinyl "perfection" would be included.
Not only vinyl and cd are too much different to be really compared, especially if we use all rung of the scale for the possible gear; but no real event can be compared with a recorded event, because they are completely different experience... We must enjoy each for what it is, not for what it is not....
"Vinyl pressings are not a precise replication of the audio wave recorded in the master"
Think about the physics of a needle bouncing around on a relatively heavy plate of plastic, compared to cd, with an abundance of wow and flutter, pop and scratches, wearing down every time it is played.
It is ok to PREFER vinyl but it is it not even close to cd in terms of accuracy and reproducibility.
rauliruegas10,073 posts06-17-2020 11:35amThe human been brain work through impulses, very fast impulses ( one after the next. ) but separated in between.
>>>>I totally agree. The human bean brain works through impulses. Many audiophiles hear via impulses through the ears but separated In between by the vast emptiness of space.
roberttdid
: Attacking someones character for supplying the forum with a question that allows people to get involved and share... says more about you and YOUR character! Nuf said.
YES to the question.LP's: it's great to have the tactile connection to the media... and awesome to know where a song is on a record.CD's: There's definitely a disconnection on these shiny little discs. Due to frequent moving and space, many years ago... I let go of my LP's. I took my YBA CD II over to a friends. We compare the YBA and his TT on his ($50k -$70k) system. NO CLEAR WINNER. they were both absolutely amazing... just different.
Typos happen. It was from the beginning of the sentence. It was just a reminder not to be mean to people. In particular, when they are much more proficient in your language than you are in theirs. Your English grammar is lacking, too, and nobody is picking on it.
Sorry for the typo. I believe your quote of me was from the middle of a sentence. If not, that was also a typo.
Now I have to be a biologist. How about Audiology, Psychoacoustics (I think that's what it's called), and for that matter Neurology and Psychology.....come on guys, you're getting too technical. I guess my brain is continuous.
"people who buy Porsches for prestige typically don’t even know what PCA is. But every one in PCA is not a Porschephile. Just like every Audiogoner is not an asidiophile.
While you are in the correct grammar mode, could you start sentences with a capital letter and correct "asidiophile"?
Raul - calling something someone says is stupid is still a personal attack. Not sure what "his brain is not continuous" means, but certainly I sleep, so I guess that's not a personal attack. You are certainly encouraged to ADD to the discussion by disagreeing with points.
Also, I don't speak Spanish fluently, but I bet the word "pandejo" is a personal attack. Also please correct your grammar in your posts.
"unknowledgeable man that soko: his brain is not " continuous " its comunication is through impulses and he listen through an ADC ( Analog to Digital Converter. ).
So , he think a turntable is continuous. In spanish he is a " pendejo " to think that way."
Please put an s or es at the end of a verb when appropriate.
Yep, they did not buy many of them, but recently the prices of used ones apparently started going up. I think I read that they are at the level of what they were when new but I may be wrong. Being an initially small lot may add to the value despite no real advantage. I think that the main idea behind building them was for some legal requirements.
Which reminds me there is one of them that got Q-ed with a different engine. I think some 400 hp. Maybe less but still something monstruous. Seems like a very powerful bicycle.
"The premium supermini market is a good place to be at the moment but
Aston got it wrong in thinking putting a grill and a fancy interior on
what was basically a Toyota iQ would make people buy it," he said."
Turns out customers are not all as stupid as many marketers think ... only about 150/yr of them for the Cygnet.
Such crazy details sometimes increase the appeal of things. Kind of like prices of Cygnet going up now and it becoming a desirable car. It is beyond me why. Europa have been a crappy car, but it was my Matchbox when I was very little so it could not be uncool. To make it worse, I was dreaming of seeing one last night. I should stop reading audiogon.
Lotus Europas were sort of plastic, and maybe drive well...but after seeing a new one burn up years ago (fuel leak I imagine) it looked like it had melted into the street...actually had known the guy who owned it and couldn't say anything...sad...
I gave up gear and only listen to live music. It's what most of us are chasing. I used this same logic when I gave up golf; if the object of the game is to get the lowest score....then I win.
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Turntables are automatic watches, CDs, or anything stored in a file are defined by individual 1s or 0s. Not continuous. "
unknowledgeable man that soko: his brain is not " continuous " its comunication is through impulses and he listen through an ADC ( Analog to Digital Converter. ).
So , he think a turntable is continuous. In spanish he is a " pendejo " to think that way.
Sorry oldhvymec, no Jesuits for me. I save my flights of fantasy for the audiophile world :-)
Sort of funny oldhvy, I am standing up for the oppressed, the belittled and the denigrated in this thread, and you call me "rude". Perhaps it is you that has your priorities wrong and your morals out of line. If you consider calling out the bad act in harsh tones, worse than the act itself, I can’t help you. Maybe that is the problem with the world today. Too many people worried about what "sounds" right, and not enough that worry what is right :-)
From what I remember about it my childhood was pretty normal and I was a happy child living at home with my parents with the exception of their drowning attempts.
I’ve been using some of these threads as a journal, but also as a joke diary, if I have any thoughts or frustrations. As I mentioned I’m pursuing a career in standup comedy. It helps to come here and have someone to talk to but I think I felt better when I was locked up in the hospital.
Zeppelin does make really good (functional) transmissions although I do prefer manual. I have no idea how they work, though. Do not burn me at stake, please.
Now, speaking of Zeppelins, what really happened to Hindenburg?
Vinyl fetishism is one thing that you cannot argue with Nyquist-Shannon theorem.... :)
I dont give a dam about the real motivation of the OP, I dont read soul, and I have answered his question, supposing that he want an answer and a discussion with me and others.... You corrected his view with yours but calling him names is not good politic....
I dont like hypocrites, class me with the idiots....I prefer that.... Thanks for the reclassification.... My best to you ….
Then you are hypocrite mahgister, because the whole point of this thread, no matter the ops protestations (read his other comments in this thread about how he feels about people who don't share his views), is to belittle and harass those that don't feel the same way about vinyl. That view is clouded by ignorance of the topic of vinyl and digital for which the op appears to have 0 desire to increase that knowledge, preferring continue to spew, in order to forward his position, what can only be called misinformation.
If you read the comments the op has made in this thread, belittling those who don't share his view of vinyl, it is pretty clear, if one is honest with oneself, that the intention of this thread was not a discussion, the reference to Porschephiles further belaying the intention to segregate based on the ops own personal views. If it was truly presented as a discussion I would have treated it as such, but as the op kept making it clear their bias, the intention of the thread became clear.
I apologize as well. I don't take kindly to people who create artificial divisions between themselves and others, and worse, who encourage others to create those same divisions.
I dont doubt that all the knowledge you enumerate is truly yours, I have
absolutely no doubts about your knowledge... Alas! is it the only
knowledge you have? I apologize I am very sensible about the difference
between harassing and discussing....
It is quite obvious to me, and I expect many others reading this thread, that you don’t have any knowledge about sampled data systems, sampling theory, signal processing, nyquist-shannon, nor the impacts of things like signal to noise ratio, timing, bandwidth limited systems, etc. Based on your comments about turntables/vinyl, you don’t understand the limitations of that format in the most rudimentary way and based on your comments about music, I don’t think you have a good understanding of what real instruments sounds like.
It sound like to me that this is the repeating story of the straw and the beam...
We all know little in the ocean of knowledge.... Calmly pointing facts is not the same than harassing someone....
I dont doubt that all the knowledge you enumerate is truly yours, I have absolutely no doubts about your knowledge... Alas! is it the only knowledge you have? I apologize I am very sensible about the difference between harassing and discussing....
It is quite obvious to me, and I expect many others reading this thread, that you don’t have any knowledge about sampled data systems, sampling theory, signal processing, nyquist-shannon, nor the impacts of things like signal to noise ratio, timing, bandwidth limited systems, etc. Based on your comments about turntables/vinyl, you don’t understand the limitations of that format in the most rudimentary way and based on your comments about music, I don’t think you have a good understanding of what real instruments sounds like. And yet, and yet, you are trying to tell other people "how it all works", people with deep practical and academic experience who understand these topics intimately. Do you not see a problem with that?
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