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Schumann Resonator
I got 2 of these from Amazon...careful that free returns are applicable. I charged them up, turned them on and holy moly.....they do help with my system. What I hear is clarity....space between instruments, a definite difference in upright and electric bass, wider soundstage...you know...all the good stuff. At first I thought it might be increased brightness, but no....it is still the same in that regard. I still can't believe it, and will listen again tomorrow (saved the packaging for the return)...but today, I'm about to keep them.
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I just feel that your life (and ours!) will be more coherent and less crazy if you learn how to articulate your thoughts more clearly - what are you really trying to express? Why do you want to express it? What is the best way to get your thoughts and feelings across? What are you learning from these exchanges?Ouffff I dont know how to take your post... Am i totally unintelligible ? if it is so, i am afraid to conclude i must cease to write in these threads... 😁😊😁 But if some answered to my posts in the past and they understood the most important parts of them perhaps there subsist some hope for me? I dont know.... The problem is i enjoy being here with almost all people here, even those with which i am not of the same opinions... What can i do? Writing more cautiously.... You are right for sure... Thanks for your friendly advice.... My best to you.... I just want to express a single truth: The controls and tuning of a system is more important that the system and his price... And in some threads i communicate my "crazy" experiments and read some others for inspirations... Thats all.... Dont upgrade ANYTHING before being sure to have embed EVERYTHING in his working, mechanical,electrical and acoustical dimensions rightfully... Is it not cristal clear? |
A note: i never spoke english save few minutes each months for all my life...I read many science and philosophy books in English, not the best books to explore syntax and rhetorical subtleties... And it is very impressive that you are engaging in an English langauge forum if this is the case. I just feel that your life (and ours!) will be more coherent and less crazy if you learn how to articulate your thoughts more clearly - what are you really trying to express? Why do you want to express it? What is the best way to get your thoughts and feelings across? What are you learning from these exchanges? Have a great day. |
mahgister - it seems like English is a second language for you, so kudos.I apologize... I tried my best but sometimes i wrote too speedily... I must recognize that you are right... I cannot do much better i will try.... My best to you.... A note: i never spoke english save few minutes each months for all my life...I read many science and philosophy books in English, not the best books to explore syntax and rhetorical subtleties... |
"Consumerism is what plague audiophile thread, and forbid the real question : How to improve the experience at low cost working with the controls of the embeddings dimensions of the system: mechanical, electrical and acoustical...." ...but, Hey...if you can make it expensive....*L* What used to be a pursuit of the hobbyist yearning to hear music in their homes has become everything from the original intent to high cost items that rival the cost of 'big ticket' offerings such as cars. And that over just one part of the whole system, that invoke the need to defend one's' choice in places such as AG....if one thinks they must do so. One can buy a sabot, or a multi-million $ yacht....both will transport one across the water. It all comes down to expectations and what one thinks is necessary to make the trip. ;) Fly coach, first class, or rent the jet. Buy the craft if you 'must'. *g* Nothing new about it....let me know if that changes, 'k? (Engaging in deep irony on a rainy, lazy day....) Best back to you, J |
arcam88 - I have mine placed just above and behind and in between my speakers. About 7’ tall, a few inches behind, and several feet from each tall planar speaker. I have also tried placing it above my electronic components, and behind and above my head at my listening position. I am getting a second soon, to experiment with one between the speakers (fixed) and moving the second one between components and my listening seat. Not sure of the rationale for the 5’ minimum height, or where that came from. As if anything is truly rational with these SGs! Except the observing through listening part. |
mahgister - it seems like English is a second language for you, so kudos. But could you try writing more clearly? I am not talking spelling or conjunctions, just "universal grammar" and consistency and less ambiguity - stuff that is not culture and specific language-dependent, but simply requires clear thinking (in any language!). It is extremely frustrating to read your hogwash at times. |
Would it be possible for you to send us a link to at least one of the YouTube 7 figure systems in action (the more, the sonically merrier) that were inferior to yours in some way (due to absent/insufficient room acoustics or otherwise), and ideally, videos/audio of your system playing the same music, so that the Agon community can corroborate your claims?No... I dont want to provoke useless controversies and arguing that will not make any sense... I think you misread my intention... An anecdote is an anecdote not a proof especially not with youtube... I will be clear: i only say that walking among examples of system on youtube i discovered to my amazement that i PREFERED mine.. This is an ANECDOTE.... Not a claim... Now i must explain, i would have to explain for myself, this real surprizing experience for me by what? My gear has certainly not the same potential that more refine costly gear...Then why? I detected problem linked to acoustical room control and probably also to the 2 other embeddings mechanical and electrical about the systems i listen to on youtube...By the way go on youtube and listen to speakers working in a showroom more than half sound bad....The speakers are certainly good one...It does not take a genius to figure out why they sound bad.... You want to read my anecdote about the importance of acoustical control like a claim about the superiority of my system.... IT IS NOT... Then dont give me a bait to throw further controversies about naming particular system... I am not an idiot.... What is affirmed by me is this: The tuning and controlling of the working dimensions of a system is way more important than the price of the system and may cost very few dollars to install... That is my claim... And this claim is for me TRUTH and experience.... My audio system is low cost and average but satisfied me on all counts not because the gear is extraordinary, but because the acoustic, mechancial aspect, and electrical grid are under minimal controls... This is my POINT...I never pretended that my system is better than any other one in the absolute sense, i pretend to like it now more than many others , why? because of my embeddings experiments controls devices.... Helmhotz tubes and pipes cost NOTHING to try and this is pure acoustic science not anecdotes or even claims...Pure VERIFIED science....They cause an upgrade superior to many other possible gear upgrades... This is science not taste.... It is not then my system itself , it is the way we install ANY system which is important.... And your desire to create a controversy, by picking my lived anecdote to illustrate this uncontroversial fact , the importance of tuning a system with his room, is not to my taste nor in my intention... It is not the price of the system, it is the controls of the working dimensions that are the KEY to audiophile experience... Is it clear? |
@mahregister Thanks for the reply - ’tis much appreciated. Would it be possible for you to send us a link to at least one of the YouTube 7 figure systems in action (the more, the sonically merrier) that were inferior to yours in some way (due to absent/insufficient room acoustics or otherwise), and ideally, videos/audio of your system playing the same music, so that the Agon community can corroborate your claims? Many will dispute the validity of YouTube as a sound/appropriate comparator (and perhaps rightfully so), but if was good enough for your assessments, we will gladly take them under advisement. Even if you cannot supply videos of your system going tete a tete with those extravagant systems, I’m sure the community would still find it helpful to hear those systems and their deficiencies first hand, so that we can further our understanding of the art and science of audiophilia. |
I NEVER RECOMMENDED TO BUY COSTLY DEVICE.... Experiment with cheap one .... If the cheap one work why buying costly one? This will discourage other to experiment by themselves... I bought myself no tweaks and no costly product... Be creative and keep your money.... Consumerism is what plague audiophile thread, and forbid the real question : How to improve the experience at low cost working with the controls of the embeddings dimensions of the system: mechanical, electrical and acoustical.... We need minimal science and minimal money nothing else with experimenting.... |
Could you please elaborate and substantiate - how many 7 figure (currency of denomination?) systems have you listened to and where, and what components were they comprised of? Any supporting evidence you can cite would be extremely helpful to both the specific case you are litigating in this thread about Schumann generators, but even more generally, would help advance the views and recommendations you espouse at large when it comes to the pursuit of sonic primacy.You misread my intention or perhaps i was not communicating them adequately... I NEVER affirm that my system is BETTER than a 7 figures system "per se"... I am not stupid...Affirming so will be stupid... I only say that when i listened to youtube some 7 figures system, at least at 2 different memorable occasions, that reveal EVEN through the limitations of mine the limit of the room where they worked...Any experienced acoustician already know that a good system in a bad room could sound bad.... I verify this by accident many times listening youtube... You cannot assess anything on youtube BUT harshness and unnatural timbre sometimes is truly there and not in my system testing with the same files... I affirm that i was so glad with mine than i prefered mine....this is my truth... BUT i dont say this in relation with the use of my Schumann generators at all... I use 1 hundred resonators, with many connections in my room, with Helmholtz tubes and pipes,and bottles with near 45 "golden plates" all along my electrical grid with many other devices....I even use ionizers with great success.... The reason why my system pleased me is the SUM of all this not the results of the S.G. mainly and only... Dont use my words against me.... Read it like i intent to communicate them.... I know that saying that with the S.G. matter will make it like a false CLAIM about S.G. use... I already said it CLEARLY that S.G. cannot be used generally like the FIRST working embedding controls... Is it clear? I hope so... My Helmoltz pipes and tubes grid is more impactful on the room than the S.G. and work and add completely different qualities to the system... I affirm that Helmholtz acoustic science is more helpful than any UPGRADE at any cost yes....The S.G. is very good but way less impactful for example... |
Mahgister..I apologize if i give the opposite impression... I am here precisely because i know that they are many peple who already experimented... But i am the only one that say loud and clear that a minimal and even very good audiophile experience is there possible at LOW cost and even at near no cost.... I know first hand that you experiment and know what you speak about then i apologize for giving despite my intention the opposite impression.... My deepest regards... |
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Mahregister - This statement of yours is truly fascinating. "My system is not the best there is but i did not have any frustration left and many 7 figures systems sound less musically than mine...." Could you please elaborate and substantiate - how many 7 figure (currency of denomination?) systems have you listened to and where, and what components were they comprised of? Any supporting evidence you can cite would be extremely helpful to both the specific case you are litigating in this thread about Schumann generators, but even more generally, would help advance the views and recommendations you espouse at large when it comes to the pursuit of sonic primacy. Because if true (and I am certainly not saying that I doubt the veracity of your claims; rather some evidence would be most helpful to your beleaguered cause), that would be most revelatory and quite frankly, revolutionary even - for it just might upend widely held and longstanding beliefs in the audiophile community, obviate most of the exorbitant and luxurious endeavors of audiophiles here and everywhere, and indisputably point to a much less traveled, orders of magnitude cheaper, and far superior pathway to sonic excellence. |
Mahgister.. Respectfully. You are not the only one who follows the need and sense to experiment. New materials and a sense for shapes that augment the sound not to make it chaotic and unpleasant are chief components of my product designs all thru my audio room and sound system. A lifelong expression. Tom |
@mahgister - I am glad you finally came around and are willing to admit it may be affecting you and not the sound. I have no opinion, I only beleive in FACTS.did you read my post? i NEVER exclude that the S.G. could act on my body/brain/ears but i devise an experiment to prove to ALL that it cannot work ONLY on the body and brain, but also physically in the room and on the audio field... Put a shungite piece on top of it... result: compression of the sounds After that try an Herkimer diamond , results : decompression of the sounds.. After that put the 2 together, results: a balanced more positive effect.. I experiments with 30 minerals for 2 years in line EACH day.... I have no opinion, I only beleive in FACTS.You believe in facts you read about, me too.... But i believe MORE in the facts i experiment with....This is the difference between your post questionning and my last answer.... I know what i know... I dont buy hype in audio thread...I dont sell products... I dont review products.. I sell CREATIVITY.....peanuts costs.... Contrary to what said all audiophile threads, audiophile experience MAY cost only peanuts if someone know how to improve a bit all the 3 working embeddings dimensions of his audio system.. I apologize to repeat this but i am the only ONE affirming this truth....And this truth MUST be said.... This is an helping and hopeful one for all those who cannot afford costly gear but who want to improve their system with the curiosity to experiment... My system is not the best there is but i did not have any frustration left and many 7 figures systems sound less musically than mine.... Then........Upgrading even with the best gear is not the way, working with the controls embeddings is the way....Especially with costly systems.... If not why a costly system could produce harshness and fatigue and being less natural in timbre perception? It is not the engineereing design of the gear the problem, it is the defects in the 3 workings embeddings.... |
Everything makes a difference Change the position of one thing in your room and it makes a change in compressive and shear wave interaction and the air that surrounds these objects. They move ever so slightly between other objects and so does the air. Oh I hear a difference Oh I just moved something . Tom |
@mahgister - I am glad you finally came around and are willing to admit it may be affecting you and not the sound. I have no opinion, I only beleive in FACTS. @sbayne - you are a helluva researcher. How many of those articles talk about SG effects on a stereo system versus the human body? Until someone can show me one of the 2 following things, I will surmise that SGs may effect some people physiologically, but NOT audible sound before it hits your ear and enters your brain: 1) A single professional audio consultant who designs concert venues, move theaters, recording studios, home theaters, stereo store demonstration rooms or home audio rooms who uses SGs. These guys charge by the hour, not the equipment, so they would MAKE money by increasing time spent having to worry about where to place these things and don't. 2) A measured microphone input signal from a listening position with and without SGs from a record or CD at a constant volume from a stereo system. Not pink noise. Not decibel meters that measure inaudible waves like those the SGs generate. Real audible sound, corresponding frequencies and volume (amplitudes). I won't respond again until someone shows me one of these 2 things. This repetition is exhausting.....seems like Monty Python's "The Argument" and time's up! |
If i was so sticked to Orthodox facts about audio in audio thread, i wll be frustrated today and waiting to upgrade with an audio system that did not satisfy me at all.... I am not.... I am curious to understand HOW work the S.G. in my room and body....I dont know.... Bemused posts is a beginning of a clear questioning... But i created my S.G. grid, with 12 cheaps one connected by cables and modified with minerals, and it is simple to verify they worked...I begin with 2 non modified and i EXPERIMENTED... I communicated this fact to some who tried it.... Even with my improved modification with golden plate and Herkimer dimamond...With success... It is an audio thread ,save for some engineers whose work miraculously would be at the confine of MANY fields, no one here know the exact explanations about the S.G....Calling this snake oil is preposterous... What is stunning for me is the way some stick to opinion instead of improving their system with experiments... If i had said in the thread to all people to buy my dac, because it is an extraordinary one and cost 10,000 bucks they will all have listenend to me....Some would have bought it... So is the human... If i said that i can modify a prepared room with only one straw with an impact huge like an upgrade, will you believe me? Probably not... BUT it is pure science....Helmholtz science...So is the human... The truth is all people, self proclaimed scientist or real scientist included, are + or - binded by their opinions more than by investigative curiosity...Myself i was motivated by self interest more than only curiosity... I always wanted an audiophile experience...It is the reason i inhabit these threads but i never had the money necessary to fulfill my dream of the BEST audio system... The difference between most of you here and me is that i created mine for 500 bucks and peanuts, i realize HOW to do it, with homemade dispositions or low cost products...I discover that tuning a system is more important than the system itself and it is the main audiophile law unbeknownst to most here...I am the only one who affirm that audiophile experience could cost very low money.... I never read it in an audio thread if so point this thread to me.... The S. G. is NOT the first device you must try in your room...With irrefutable positive results for all.... The effect is real but not audible by all for many reasons.... The perception of the effects depend of the acoustic specificity of the room and from the system also, because it is a real but subtle effect, and not only from the acuity or listening habits of the customer... Anyway it cost almost nothing to buy 2 cheap one...And having fun instead of mocking other intelligent human beings more investigative than us or less opinionated about what is or what is not "science".... The way in Audio is tuning and controlling the 3 working dimensions of any audio system... This is my discovery not "tweaking" but installing a set of listening experiments in relation to this 3 dimensions... Not "tweaking" with costly device and not upgrading with costly product...This is not the way... All audio thread are about these 2 uncompleted ways...Plugging a costly amplifier in the wall is not audio.... It is not my way.... I dont sell "snake oil" , i dont buy "tweaks".... I think a lot about the many ways to controls my 3 working embeddings dimensions...Yes.... The modifications i installed on the S. G. are ONLY one of my grids of other devices grids... For those who think"placebo" try my experiment: Put shungite on the S. G. and listen... Put an herkimer diamond and listen... Put the 2 together and listen... Instead of reading wiki to look for arguments for or against the S. G. and reinforcing your opinions you will LEARN something.... |
All this is very interesting! Very curious about this as a tweak. Question. If this is there to create - oversimplified I know - a unifying field for EMI and sound waves, and to "clear the space" of unwanted resonance, if you implement multiple units, would they not cancel each other out if out of phase with each other? I get they are all plugged into the same AC and are "synced" (in theory) to the same cycle, how do multiple units synced together? How can you ensure they are in phase? Thanks |
The leading medical expert on this topic in the US is probably Beth Darnall https://profiles.stanford.edu/beth-darnall She uses Binaural frequencies around the 7-8Hz range for pain management but they only work with headphone because the the low frequency comes from the dissonance between two notes slightly apart playing to each ear. iTunes has a whole Binaural playlist for Alpha, Beta, Theta brainwave frequencies if anyone is curious about the relaxation side of these frequencies. |
"Schumann Resonances aren’t "special". It’s just like any other electromagnetic field that must be controlled and manipulated in electronics."Please clarify your statement. It is overwhelmingly agreed and an incontrovertible fact that electromagnetic interference is detrimental to electronics- in our case stereo equipment- which is purposely shielded against emi. How is introducing even more emi via an SG controlling and manipulating anything? What exactly is being controlled and manipulated? If this particular electromagnetic wave is in fact enhancing the sound, it is indeed very special. |
I’ve got to get back to my real job (which is not arguing on audio threads). Schumann Resonances go from 3Hz to 60Hz. The affect many electronic signals including the ones in our brain and audio signals. The fundamental at 7.83Hz seems to be the most pleasing. It’s as simple (or if you want to make it complicated) as that. |
For all you "prove it to me" science guys, electrical engineers, circuit designers, degreed, patented people on this thread. Do you really think electromagnetism has nothing to do with the sound coming from our stereo systems? Schumann Resonances are naturally occurring electromagnetic fields. Right? |
I truly have no opinion either way as to its efficacy as an auditory enhancer since I have not tried it. But this is a compelling perspective. |
@djones - Took me 30 seconds to find this:
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@djones "Where can I find some scientific papers that back up this claim?"I googled but didn't find any scientific articles or papers that supported your claim. The reason the Schumann frequency affects you, and all human physiology is because the frequency induces a calming, relaxed, yet alert and focused influence. I saw some pseudoscience and wishful thinking. |
"I love my wife but how do you measure love? How do you know it’s there?"Love as an emotion cannot be scientifically quantified. A machine that creates a specific resonance can. "The amount of knowledge we have about the universe is 0.0000....%" You are confusing the word ’we’ with the word ’I’. "I don’t understand the source of gravity but I know it’s there." The source of gravity is literally any and everything that has mass. |
Bhvf-mcarbon is looking for anything that would improve his system no matter if he needs 10 or 100 of these things. Honestly, I don’t blame him for trying, just look at what he has. In 1 of his rant threads, he stated that the more drinks he had, his system was sounding better and better. He just doesn’t add anything to these threads but he sure likes to put people down. |
Just because you don’t understand doesn’t make it false, the logic doesn’t follow. The amount of knowledge we have about the universe is 0.0000....% Just because you don’t understand and/or don’t experience it doesn’t make it placebo. Try a simple blindfold test. I don’t understand the source of gravity but I know it’s there. I love my wife but how do you measure love? How do you know it’s there? Our audio acuity is much more complex than current science can define. Happiness/joy is a higher goal than understanding. Some find joy in understanding. The $10 is minuscule compared to the cost of High-End Audio components. I’m guessing more people than not find audio improvement using SR aka the odds are that you will find improvement also. |