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Also goes in a smaller way for DC rail fuses in some not so hiend amps.
Cheers George
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You guys can't leave it alone, 24hrs and still trying to jag a bites?? Keep it up, in the meantime catch this for your time and effort! A fuse: 1: two end caps 2: short piece of fuse wire connecting the two end caps through a glass tube (that’s all she wrote). To those "non technical" members that are interested, do not listen to fusers, listen to the techs of this industry that design the audio products you have. AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH FUSERS ABOUT THE SOUND IMPROVMENT DETAILS AND AC FUSE PLACEMENT DIRECTION, EVER!!! Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.Cheers to those "non fusers" George |
This just in: http://v2.stereotimes.com/post/quantum-science-audio-series-purple-fuses/ It's a follow up to the original review of the Quantum Science Audio fuse review by other members, one who admits he didn't believe in it until he was sent the fuses to hear them for himself. All the best, Nonoise |
One of the dominant personality traits of engineers is their fear of criticism. As long as we continue telling Georgie that he's wrong, he will continue coming back in an effort to prove that he's right. Georgie ... You're right. These fuses are no better than stock fuses. In spite of what our lying ears have been telling us, there is no benefit to them at all. They are nothing but a ruse. Now go away and play with the Emus and the Roos. Frank |
Go to a forum where the heavy hitters of this audio industry are, like Nelson Pass John Curl etc etc etc at diyaudio.com and see what happens to fusers over there.Yup, I've seen that and been there. These types of forums are primarily engineers which mostly have the mentality "if you can't measure it, it doesn't exist". Such an old argument, both in that forum and this forum where people just fail to realize that this is a limited way of thinking. |
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mapman19,414 posts Yep, again, a huge rort ( noun 1.INFORMAL•AUSTRALIAN a fraudulent or dishonest act or practice) Selling a $0.50 fuse for >$150 is better than getting in on the ground floor of Afterpay when it was launched. It’s not very often you see that kind of profit margins, especially from "back yard snake oil fuse" sellers with no overheads selling direct to the gullible with not even any middle men, save for the shillers for them here on Audiogon. (and this will only hurt Audiogon in the long run) Go to a forum where the heavy hitters of this audio industry are, like Nelson Pass John Curl etc etc etc at diyaudio.com and see what happens to fusers over there. Cheers George. |
AC mains changes it’s direction 60 x a second (60hz) so it’s impossible for a fuse to be directional, unless it’s behaving like a diode!!!, then your in real big trouble if it is trying to rectify the mains before the power supply transformer and then the bridge rectifiers What about the electromagnetic wave that travels from source to load? |
You got that so right mapman A fuse: 1: two end caps 2: short piece of fuse wire connecting the two end caps through a glass tube (that’s all she wrote). To those "non technical" members that are interested, do not listen to fusers, listen to the techs of this industry that design the audio products you have. AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH THESE FUSERS, EVER!!! Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.Cheers to those "non fusers" George |
MC knows what he's talking about, but if there is an arrow and THAT tid-bit goes over your head, what was he suppose to say.. Go ahead put it in backwards, rectify that George.. You've made your point, you and your buddies don't use them so MOVE ON.. But better yet STAY gone... Your NOT welcome, along with anyone else that wants to join in on what THEY HAVEN'T DONE. BUT see fit to call others NAMES just like what you just did with MC.. How many times do people have to complain about the georges of the world bent on saving poor lost ME from the mean ol FUSERS. It's NOT your business, but it is someone else's living.. Why don't you fix the water going down the crapper the WRONG direction first before taking on the biggies like who's buying those, THOSE bad old FUSES. Geeez mind your own business. |
Miller??? you know what he means, (non-directional)🤦♂️🤷♂️ AC mains changes it’s direction 60 x a second (60hz) so it’s impossible for a fuse to be directional, unless it’s behaving like a diode!!!, then your in real big trouble if it is trying to rectify the mains before the power supply transformer and then the bridge rectifiers. |
oldhvymecThere’s only one answer for your dig at me A fuse: 1: two end caps 2: short piece of fuse wire connecting the two end caps through a glass tube (that’s all she wrote). To those "non technical" members that are interested, do not listen to fusers, listen to the techs of this industry that design the audio products you have. AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH THESE FUSERS, EVER!!! Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.Cheers to those "non fusers" George |
orgeonpappa, I respect your opinion but I think the 1260 enhancer is even better than the PPT paste. I had a dulling in the highs with the PPT stuff, but the 1260 did not. And, (gulp) I will say that the 1260 is actually better than the yellow fuse alone. Adding both brought out even more resolution, liveliness, realness, etc. ozzy |
jasonborurne52, Just like with George, I offered to get a fuse SENT to him. I don't even know any of the guys that sell the silly things. I know they will send YOU the fuse and if you put it in the way the arrow point, and THEN reverse it and can't hear the difference, SEND IT BACK. There is no monetary risk. You just have to listen. HECK you don't even have to be honest about it. BUT I have a feeling you will hear a difference, EVEN if you don't like what you hear or want to pay for it.. Someone gave me a few SRs to try. I paid him AFTER I tried them and kept 2 orange and 3 blues. I've never blown one and the improvement when installed in the valve protection circuit of a Cary V12R was pretty eye opening. That amp and the speakers I use won't hide anything, BUT they will SHOW everything, from copper vs silver vs clad to a silly fuse change.. A Power Cable, your just throwing AWAY HiFi for mid fi. It makes that much difference on that amp. You better use a great cable.. Even a standard busman fuse treated with contact enhancers, dampening added to the tube (a dab of silicone) and clean or replace the fuse holder will change the way it sounds much more than a simple fuse swap.. Stating what you WON'T try is obvious. BUT if you've tried them you can at least say, BS I tried them and they didn't work on X, and Y. But I think I herd a difference with Z or NOT.. They did return my money without a hassle. Try it.. BUT the 6 year old antics of calling fellow Agoners delusional or one of your OTHER quotes about ignorance or a 10 cent fuses selling for a C note. That's 2 100.00 bills, not one. I'm not impressed. We got your point. It contributes ZERO to the forums, other than the obvious. You WON'T try them. OR God forbid, you can't hear well.. George NEVER EVER tried an after market fuse.. That's hardheaded, and sure doesn't contribute, to repeat it over and over. Try it THEN complain..:-) Time to feed the chickens.. |
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there is an arrow on the fuse tube." So what! All AC voltage/current is unidirectional! In AC power lines, the waves of electromagnetic energy propagate through the space between the wires, moving from a source to a distant load, even though the electrons in the wires only move back and forth over a tiny distance. |
Oh! ok, seeing you addressed me personally, you need something to whinge about, here ya go!! There are plenty of the correct forums for you to visit https://www.google.com/search?q=snake+oil+forums&oq=snake+oil+forums&aqs=chrome..69i57.7881j... https://www.google.com/search?q=voodoo+forums&oq=voodoo+forums&aqs=chrome..69i57.3710j0j15&a... To those "non technical" members that are interested, do not listen to fusers, listen to the techs of this industry that design the audio products you have. AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH WHAT THESE FUSERS SAY IT WILL DO FOR THE SOUND, EVER!!! LET ALONE BEING DIRECTIONAL!!!!! Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar. |
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I pasted the end caps of my yellow fuse with PPT Total Contact this afternoon. I played my reference recordings for a couple of hours after doing the pasting. I’m hearing micro details in recordings I’ve played hundreds of times over the years like never before. The low-level articulation in the female voice is stunning. As TC users know, it takes time, even weeks to sound its best. I’m going to order another Yellow fuse ... this time for the ARC REF-75se. Frank PS: Mucho Kudos to the lovely lady in the Northeast. :=)) |
Well it's pretty simple. Fuse sellers and or what ever else is sold it is NOT ok for George to slam a product. He doesn't even use aftermarket fuses. If he would say "clean, inspect, and replace old fuses with what the manufacture recommends", and STOP it would be fine. BUT he goes on to call names and infer someone is being FORCED to purchase something that is somehow HIS business.. That's the real problem.. It's not his GD business. BUT he's costing other people MONEY. Their prices were already WAY to high, you don't have to buy it. I DON'T BUT to actively tell people NOT to BUY someone else's product.. GOOD BY George.. Enough is enough.. At least they were gouging and YOU or who EVER knew it.. He acts like it's HIS business to ruin other peoples business.. |
The last thing you want to do with a touchy topic like this is post a couple hundred words of poorly translated word salad. Because even with perfectly pristine prose such as mine haters still find ways of twisting it to fit their predetermined narrative. With poorly processed Goolag translated word salad they can have a field day. And nothing you can say to stop them because the truth is that whole thing says next to nothing anyway. I only hit a few points. The whole thing is garbage. I'm sorry people understand electricity so poorly they don't even know what a fuse is, or does, or why. Have yet to see the part of electricity they do understand. "Lethal voltage!" is about the extent of it. Not that it matters. Don't need to understand a thing, except that you put one of these fuses in and you better be prepared to have your mind blown. Say whatever you want. These things work. |
George you were asked nice. VERY nice as a mater of fact by the OP. Be a gentleman and move on. ONCE was enough a second or third is not OK. After that it’s beyond turning the other cheek. OR I suppose ALL your post can be removed.. It’s strictly your call.. You’re NOT welcome to add your adjectives or adverbs to ANYONE on the forums as you do.. It’s gone on long enough.. QUIT interfering with OTHER people’s sales. It’s as simple as that. STOP! YOU’RE costing other people money, now I’m complaining about YOUR behavior, NOT what your selling.. Your behavior, it’s just not welcome.. By your own admission, you told a customer you installed an aftermarket fuse and you did NOT.. HOOEY George.. You’ve cost people money.. I think it’s time to send you the BILL, GEORGE. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I’ve seen Slow Blow fuses/circuit breaker on the AC into to power supply (4. - 15. amp) 2. A Fast Blow on the bias circuit (.5 - 2. amp) of a valve amp for valve/circuit protection. 3. 2. - 4. amp Fast Blow on a + rail in a SS amp or the filament side of a valve amp. Number 1 is fire protection. Period. That is the reason for the fuse on the AC line into the PS, it stop over current and fires. It’s normally a Slow Blow for filter cap charge. I don’t care what it’s plugged into it protect whatever it’s plugged into, NOT the other way around.. Number 2 and 3 are valve and circuit protection for the "piece" of gear, normally a fast blow and a lower value .5 - 3. amp fuse or so. THIS is to protect GEAR always after the units Power Supply.. A Cary V12r has 3 types of protection 1 for fire protection AC in. S.B. 1 for the tube filament transformer. F.B. 2 for left/right (bias) output valve protection. F.B. They have protection inside the transformers too. I’ve taken a few apart, just most people don’t know how to fix a plate transformer or take it apart for that matter.. As long as you can work around the potting if it has it.. If it not potted it’s easy to look and fix if you know how to hunt up the short.. Sniff and visual test goes a long ways.. Regards |
Your kidding, and let "snake oil" and "voodoo" companies flourish, with posts from shillers for those same companies here on Audiogon??? NOT LIKELY!!!!!!! No matter how nice you ask, and it was nice!! There are plenty of the correct forums for them and you to visit https://www.google.com/search?q=snake+oil+forums&oq=snake+oil+forums&aqs=chrome..69i57.7881j... https://www.google.com/search?q=voodoo+forums&oq=voodoo+forums&aqs=chrome..69i57.3710j0j15&a... To those "non technical" (like yourself) members that are interested, do not listen to fusers, listen to the techs of this industry that design the audio products you have. AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH WHAT THESE FUSERS SAY IT WILL DO FOR THE SOUND, EVER!!! LET ALONE BEING DIRECTIONAL!!!!! Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar. |
George - while I appreciate your science and opinions about fuses, we have all heard them countless times. I am not an audio engineer and I just love to listen to great music. IMO fuses matters. I would like to hear from more people like myself. You are free to continue posting as you want. But I ask you, given that we all know your position, could you please please please just let other people comment on this subject. Respectfully Will |