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Put that in your pipe(s) and smoke it
I'll say it again: let's seek out the gem's and leave the rest, folks. Ignore the trolls, or be selective of the actual content they bring up - should you choose to reply; it may even hold an unexpected, worthwhile observation or two on a subject that could put into perspective our endeavors here.
More importantly, if we want this forum to allow for free speech and a degree of resilience, some around here should reconsider their liberal urge to hit the 'report' button, because that's the thing that truly annoys me and what I'd call the real trolls around here: the one's feeling offended on grounds I imagine to be so relative to their own agenda, indeed petty in nature, that their reporting a post or thread is likely to see no further inquiry by the admins and is therefore, simply by virtue of being a report alone, put into effect as an actual deletion.
We should be able to hold a conversation without someone feeling taken aback over what is, in the bigger scheme of things, insignificant issues. If not it's an ongoing, sad tendency to shut the mouths of those we don't agree with, or for some other flimsy reason don't like.
More importantly, if we want this forum to allow for free speech and a degree of resilience, some around here should reconsider their liberal urge to hit the 'report' button, because that's the thing that truly annoys me and what I'd call the real trolls around here: the one's feeling offended on grounds I imagine to be so relative to their own agenda, indeed petty in nature, that their reporting a post or thread is likely to see no further inquiry by the admins and is therefore, simply by virtue of being a report alone, put into effect as an actual deletion.
We should be able to hold a conversation without someone feeling taken aback over what is, in the bigger scheme of things, insignificant issues. If not it's an ongoing, sad tendency to shut the mouths of those we don't agree with, or for some other flimsy reason don't like.
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mapman18,021 posts11-11-2020 6:46amIf one were to assume people who complain the most about being censured are never the ones who work the hardest to silence others, one would be mistaken. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only if you're speaking for yourself... Who else can you speak for... Certainly not me... The only true statement, if you think about it.. I don't report, I protest in a civil manner and on an open forum. I had a report button war with one guy.. I finally let him/her/it/them/whoever, WIN.... Never used it again... Was funny though.. Not sure if Regards is appropriate... Did you just take a jab at me? Or was that the single malt typing. Usually I can tell the difference. :-) Never a need to delete, Not knowing worst thing in the world... Can't fix it, if you don't know. This old mechanics moto.. |
Yup pages of taunting, not a single deletion. BUT Never call a name, just answer questions, and make statements.. Then delete the whole thread! Yea that played right into hands of people that had nothing to say but BAD things... See it all time. Same folks turn a blind eye, show their lack of paying attention to ALL. Pretty common. 20/80 strikes again. 20% of the people do 80% of the work.. Speak with your pocket book, I'm getting ready to sell close to 40,000.00 worth of gear, and BUY 55 -75,000.00. I'll say this, me my friends and the people I know have bought in excess of 1.5 million over the last 10 years. Sold close to the same....You or I don't have to sell here. That's up to the AG.. I think they are good though. Just need a moderator for the moderators... LOL I don't pat folks on the back of doing their job. They get a pat on the back for going above and beyond. That can work both ways.. Out of the pan and into the fire.. Seems to be the easy way out, in lue of telling people to quit the name calling.... Just easier to delete the thread. LAZY..... That's the other 80% of folks. I just worked 1.5 X the national average of hours in a 45 year period.. Do the math.. Yes everything is wore out. I do have ONE little toe that is in good shape. :-) Regards |
Well, another thread just seemed to disappear, after a poster made an appeal to other posters to complain. No rule was cited as being broken, or reason why was given, despite being specifically asked for. It would appear to be an objection to the original poster rather then the subject inquiry at hand. Deny the who rather than the what cancel culture strikes again? |
In "The Social Contract", Rousseau addressed the issue of freedom. "Freedom to" was the freedom to do anything you want. However, "freedom from" trumped (sorry) "freedom to". Therefore, for instance, you could play your audio as loud as you liked (freedom to) *so long as* it wasn't disturbing any neighbors (freedom from). |
Dear @oldhvymec, above is the first line of his post aimed at me. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And rightly so.. But I didn’t think their contributions, were or are "nonsense", your’s are... That is my point... At least they contribute. YOU Sir, complain about their contribution. One is opinionated, yours is just a blanket character attack, just an open ended, bla bla bla..... And no I prefer to roll my own, thank you very much... No pipe sticking here or sticking it my pipe either... Regards |
above is the first line of his post aimed at me.Aimed at you? Aimed at one of your many "handles" ? Poor little thing, i apologize to anybody behind the "handle" indeed....You never aimed first probably....And probably this kenjit, or this millercarbon are like you said they are, like all those you will name, especially those with only one "handle".... :) My best.... |
No one said anything about "post count", mahgister referred to post content. I agree, no need to to be that way. Like you said they haven't even said anything... Better yet, just skip their contributions and you look past them.. I think that is the point of the whole thread... To be or not to be "a report person" or NOT... Not who you don't care to read after... Am I missing something.. I've NEVER seen kenjit, speak foul of another member. MC just calls it the way he see's it.. Just a Blunt ass person... My Granny would say, "haughty is only if it's not true, then it's a lie, if it is he's proud of his hard work". and should be.... He shares his little discoveries.., that's good... kenjit LOL, he just want's to see measurements, and oval speaker cabinets... Kmini and KMAXYs are on the way... :-) Regards |
@djones51 -- This forums value and purpose is to discuss music and the equipment that reproduces it, if the moderators allow the subject to stray to far afield from that purpose then it's value has been diminished. This arena is not the public square where any idiot can scream at the top of his voice his displeasure on any subject and when I see conspiracy theory nonsense and links to sites that promote them you can bet I'm banging on the report flag. Moreover it's not an arena "... where any idiot can scream at the top of his voice his displeasure on any.. " 'posts' that he or she disapproves of by quickly fingering the report option, especially in light of: @unsound ... It seems as though the initial accusations are rewarded, before confirmation of the veracity of the allegations being made. That's the main contention, but indeed a fine line to walk sometimes by the moderators judging whether to close a post/thread or not. My initial gripe was seeing threads going by the wayside when valid questions were there to be further explored (and not knowing whether the issue was the poster who initiated the thread or whether the subject matter rubbed someone the wrong way - it may even have been both), not least the deletions that followed where I inquired into these matters of reporting too easily/frequently (and following their calls with deletions). That's why I'm happy to see this thread re-surfaced. @northman -- Also, no one's free speech is imperiled by questioning why this thread was posted in the *speakers* forum (unless it's a subtle bit of etymological fun). Context; my first reaction was the deletion of a thread on speaker improvement (or not) these last 20 years, and hence in light of what followed it seemed only natural to initiate this thread on this particular forum section so to involve those connected in these followings. So, no "etymological fun" but rather a natural consequence of what unspooled here. @tuberculin -- Does that include @millercarbon and @kenjit? I notice their usual nonsense is missing in this thread. My focus is neither, really. |
22 posts and you insult already , nevermind the reason, 2 peoples, nevermind their posts content... You are a rare bird....Congratulations! I suggest to you to read about NDE and Dr. Eben Alexender a neurologist... You may learn something and not about audio tough....If you dont read book his conferences are in youtube....Fascinating stuff..... I apologize for my answer to your post but i hate those who choose collectively designed victim or easy target when they enter in a bar or in a new job or a new forum....Hating is stupid yes, but i am not perfect.... It remind me scapegoating in the schoolyard.....( i was not the victim but i was not in the effervescent crowd either) Enjoy your life but be cautious..... :) |
I have had a couple of posts removed in the past two years. Both mentioned that certain companies manufacture their components in factories owned directly by the Chinese government. I wasn't critical of the western companies who do this, only supplying the information for those of us that might care about such things.It is one of a few subjects that are often taboo to discuss both in forums and in the audiophile print media. |
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Distinguishing something is not the same as separating something....Distinguishing the principle that must define real economy is not separating it from politic, and distinguishing politic from economy is not separating politic from economy....It is on the contrary linking the 2 in a reality where the 2 are working together and not warring.... Distinguishing without separating is call thinking... If you say that this is academic thinking about the wings of angel, this is precisely killing the working creative brain ....I dont think that left politic and right politic has anything to do with reality nowadays....They dont work together anymore.... They are out of reality in their own bubble.... And there is something in a society more important than politic and economy in a sense, this is the spiritual principle linked to education for example....Education cannot be submissive to economy or politic....The principle linked to education are fundamental and absolutely not reducible to economy or politic in any ways.... But i will not annoy anyone and will not go further.... I apologize for my "academic" endeavour.... But thinking is "academic" only in non thinking circle by the way or in bad "academic" circles of the right or of the left kind.... It seems i am too esoteric also even in audio, because i think with experiments by myself.... :) Just a word about the dissection of a frog, in a left or in a rightwing way, my thinking is precisely about what is the real frog? And my answer is the real frog is not like those who dissect it or use its corpse pretend it is or must be ....We can compare the triple metabolism of a real living frog with the principle governing his triple metabolism with the three principles governing a living society.... My best to you nonoise.... |
One can always discuss something in a vacuum for academic purposes but there’s always the overlap. One can even go so far as to imagine that they truly are separate, but they ain’t. Both inform each other. Your take is way too esoteric and abstract so as to not translate back into reality. Back in the day when one took that course in college on English Literature, there was only one book you got and it was Norton’s History of English Lit, vols.I & II. Not only did one read the writings of the time but one had to bust one’s butt with the politics and economies of the time, as well as learn to read and speak Old English; to read it in it’s original text. Can’t have one without the other. They all act upon and influence each other at a constant though differing rate. Does anyone think that frog they dissected in lab in any way amounted to the real thing? All the best, Nonoise |
The conflating of economy and politics is precisely what the 2 worst ideology of the last century has in common....Reducing economy to politics of the worst kind, or reducing politics to economy of the worst kind is the same blindful road to autodestruction in opposite ways.... Any sane and sound mind must create the distinctive concepts that pertains and defines the 2, politic and economy, in their qualitative complementary dimensions of the healthy working social body... More and more conflating between them of the left or of the right kind is a road to catastrophy by lost of reality in opposite ways but toward the same autodestruction.... What do we loose in loosing the reality? Not only reality itself but also we loose our own creative mind.... |
Politics is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations between individuals, such as the distribution of resources or status. The academic study of politics is referred to as political science.WikipediaNope. It's not at all how you pretend it to be. Politics and economics are so intertwined that particular economic models like capitalism are constantly conflated with politics, and for good reason. You can't have one without the other. All the best, Nonoise |
Politics and economy cannot be described by a Venn diagram even here and even for describing only the people here...When we can describe politics with a Venn diagram it is an ominous sign indeed, resembling to the guy painting himself in the corner of his balcony without an escape route...the 2 parties alternative in north America and in some other part of the world resemble charybde and scyllas alternatives....It was not mean to be that way in the beginning, but to be a division of political work akin to breathing movements on the social body....It is no more like that at all.... Asking people to take a definitive side once and for all is like asking someone to paint himself in a corner.... Who is so fool to do it for himself to begins with? Saying that people has no choices except these 2 one is very simplistic.... It remind me in audio of the useless war between digital and analog, or tubes and processors, or other apparent "superior" warring alternatives... In reality the 2 are needed to begin an understanding and an improving audio... In the same way left and rightwing positions are need together to understand a reality more complex than these 2 visions, even when they must work together...( war, pandemics, and also day to day efficient poitical work) Politics to be real, like an ethical dialogue, suppose a "collaboration" for example between 2 parties in relation to an external reality participated by the 2 parties.... But if there is no more a common reality agreed upon by the 2 parties, there is war and no dialogue is possible...No political concrete effective solution is possible but only extremist ideology pertaining to one or the other party, when winning is more important than the search for truth... Samething for economy, when the main part of the economical activity has no link at all with reality (material day to day economical trivial activities has no link nowadays with Wall Street). Then understanding reality nowadays is impossible if we divided reality from the 2 parties sides, except to make useless Venn diagram... I am afraid that thinking is necessary not more sophisticated cataloguing of anything with the 2 parties ideology.... I then suggest to ban any political militant partying opinions from the audio forum, except non partisan remarks in real politics....And nowadays real politics is not translatable no more in only left or only right simplistic scheme and games.... This lost of reality is the tragedy of our times..... My best to all.... |
For the most part it's all fine and dandy. BUT I've seen excessive deletions on certain occasions. It WAS NOT a software glitch, it was a moderator reaching WAY to far, plane and simple.. I don't praise folks for doing a good job. That's why they are paid. When it's BAD or EXCEPTIONAL, they both get my attention..I prefer the latter, yes, I do... I've seen ZERO intervention too, when there should have been. ZERO.. Time after time the OP ask the SAME people to move on, pages of harassment, not a single word...OP ASK, and ASK, and ASK.. NOTHING... It was pretty easy to spot, NOT A THING...I felt bad for the guy.. Really...horrible!!!!! :-) let me shed a tear...No I THINK I have to have good CRY....OK all Better... I try to speak with my pocket book, if I have to. It usually works better.. Still looking for an SPL-05 with all the whistles and bells. I think that will shut me up for a while..:-) Time to feed to the chickens, come on dog... Regards |
Look if its your house you get to not only make the rules but interpret them and change them any time you like. Strangers might be welcome but nobody wants strangers calling the shots in their house. I think most people would agree with that. Audiogon is primarily a house of business. Anything that works against that might be called for a foul I would expect. Also, as a business it's important to make strangers feel welcome so there is always that line to walk. |
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^In that the deletions were reversed, why would there be such doubts.Just the opposite. Sometimes a mistake is made, or the moderator is willing to reconsider a decision in light of more information. That a deleted post is sometimes restored actually demonstrates that deletions are not arbitrary, but are thoughtful and considered. And you're still the first one here to claim that he's been ignored by the Audiogon team, AFAIK. |
