Peter Lederman in Second Bout With COVID-19

MC, Your life must be very tense.  If you take some time and check the source material available at the CDC website that is re-interpreted and incorrectly reported by ZeroHedge, you might be less angry at CDC and the "establishment" and more grateful for the vaccines.  I and others cannot do it for you, because it is exhausting work, like playing whack-a-mole.  If you have a specific question, I would be happy to answer it to the best of my knowledge and vast experience as an MD and a molecular virologist.  But you are buried in a blizzard of lies and half-truths.  To take on only this last report from ZeroHedge, the CDC has developed a new reporting system as of May, specifically targeted at detecting vaccine breakthrough cases, because they recognize that monitoring the rate of such an event is critical for predicting the emergence of resistant virus variants, if that should occur.  Surely there are partially resistant strains extant even now, as you know.  That is not a sinister or evil act on the part of CDC.  Also, while it appears to be true that some sources count a positive RT-PCR in an asymptomatic person as a "case" (and I myself have been railing against that practice), that is not the formal definition of a case from either the FDA or the CDC point of view.  See the CDC case definition from August, 2020.  In the phase 3 clinical trials to determine vaccine efficacy, there were (and are for any ongoing studies) strict CLINICAL criteria which in addition to a positive RT-PCR were part of the case definition.  Applying those criteria, the efficacy of the two mRNA vaccines was determined to be ~95% for the study groups.  That is not 100%. That means one can still get COVID even after vaccination, but with a hugely diminished risk that that will happen.  There is some good reason to criticize CDC for its behavior during the first 2 months or so of 2020 as regards the RT-PCR tests used in the US, because there were perfectly good test kits available from China and Germany, yet the CDC insisted on relying upon US-based kit developers, and yes some of those kits were crap.  Did the CDC decision to refuse test kits from China or Germany have something to do with politics, ya think? It's not about what Ct value is taken as positive; it's about the formal process of validating any test kit.  The validation process, which is arduous, determines what Ct value for that particular kit can be used as a cut-off for positivity.  And yes, a Ct value of 40 or higher can almost never be taken seriously.  There were a lot of governmental blunders in the early months, for sure.  But in the end, you and those like you need to make up your mind what you believe.  Is the virus a fraud? Is the virus real and an evil Chinese plot? Is the idea it caused a pandemic a fraud?  Are the vaccines a corporate plot to make money and kill people willy nilly, or are they merely a fraud because after all there was no pandemic?  And so on and so forth.  It's very tiring.

The following link contains numerous charts, compiled from the official health records of each country. In each case they show an INCREASE in COVID with increased vaccinations. 

The report is long because it tries to refute all the criticisms. Weather for example affects viral spread. So comparisons are made between geographically adjacent countries, and so on. The evidence is frighteningly clear. Read it and THINK!

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1387548104073912324.html

Actually no, they make it very hard to find this information. The manipulation of search engines, the silencing and cancel culture. ZeroHedge was canceled from Facebook for breaking the lab origin that is now going mainstream. 

I just showed the CDC has changed definitions to fit their narrative. That is a fact. Your comeback is insults and innuendo. Why if you are so right is it so hard then to make your case without ignoring the points raised? Why is it all insults all the time?

fun fact about the internet......

you can find a link to support any kind of crackpot idea you want.. you may enjoy https://www.tfes.org/

I glanced at the one you posted which says the pandemic never existed

you might want to contact Brazil and India about that, they obviously didn't get the message

One reason, they change the definition to get the results they want: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/caught-red-handed-cdc-changes-test-thresholds-virtually-eliminate...

This is not impartial. This is not science. This is rigged.

The crux of it is anyone at this point still daft enough to keep drinking the cool-aid will never consider anything but the party line. The fact is official government stats from 14+ countries show the opposite- deaths increasing not decreasing with vaccinations. 

If the vaccines don't work why are cases and more importantly deaths dropping in countries where the vaccine rate is increasing?

seems pretty simple to me

and I don't work in health care... my mentally challenged cousin who cleans bed pans does though...  and he got vaccinated

Some updated info on vaccines including some good news on immune persistence:

The vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna set off a persistent immune reaction in the body that may protect against the coronavirus for years, scientists reported on Monday.

The findings add to growing evidence that most people immunized with the mRNA vaccines may not need boosters, so long as the virus and its variants do not evolve much beyond their current forms — which is not guaranteed. People who recovered from Covid-19 before being vaccinated may not need boosters even if the virus does make a significant transformation.

“It’s a good sign for how durable our immunity is from this vaccine,” said Ali Ellebedy, an immunologist at Washington University in St. Louis who led the study, which was published in the journal Nature.

The study did not consider the vaccine made by Johnson & Johnson, but Dr. Ellebedy said he expected the immune response to be less durable than that produced by mRNA vaccines.

Dr. Ellebedy and his colleagues reported last month that in people who had survived Covid-19, immune cells that recognize the virus remained in the bone marrow for at least eight months after infection. A study by another team indicated that so-called memory B cells continue to mature and strengthen for at least a year after infection.

Based on those findings, researchers suggested that immunity might last years, possibly a lifetime, in people who were infected and later vaccinated. But it was unclear whether vaccination alone might have a similarly long-lasting effect.

After an infection or a vaccination, a specialized structure called the germinal center forms in lymph nodes. This structure is an elite school of sorts for B cells.

The broader the range and the longer these cells have to practice, the more likely they are to be able to thwart variants of the virus that may emerge.

After infection with the coronavirus, the germinal center forms in the lungs. But after vaccination, the cells’ education takes place in lymph nodes in the armpits, within reach of researchers.

Dr. Ellebedy’s team found that 15 weeks after the first dose of vaccine, the germinal center was still highly active in all 14 of the participants, and that the number of memory cells that recognized the coronavirus had not declined.

“The fact that the reactions continued for almost four months after vaccination — that’s a very, very good sign,” Dr. Ellebedy said. Germinal centers typically peak one to two weeks after immunization, and then wane.

“Usually by four to six weeks, there’s not much left,” said Deepta Bhattacharya, an immunologist at the University of Arizona. But germinal centers stimulated by the mRNA vaccines are “still going, months into it, and not a lot of decline in most people.”

Dr. Bhattacharya noted that most of what scientists know about the persistence of germinal centers is based on animal research. The new study is the first to show what happens in people after vaccination.

The results suggest that a vast majority of vaccinated people will be protected over the long term — at least, against the existing variants. But older adults, people with weak immune systems and those who take drugs that suppress immunity may need boosters; people who survived Covid-19 and were later immunized may never need them at all.

Exactly how long the protection from mRNA vaccines will last is hard to predict. In the absence of variants that sidestep immunity, in theory immunity could last a lifetime, experts said. But the virus is clearly evolving.

— Apoorva Mandavilli

If the orange loser had prevailed the Q morons would be shouting that the Tubby Messiah's vaccine was the solution to everything from birth defects to Alzheimer's. The giant Mar a Lago baby wanted to take credit for his vaccine solving the nation's problem.

Now that the stutterer is running the show, the hairdo's cheer squad are throwing everything they can at the vaccines because they'd rather see millions die than let the stutterer get the credit.

Get well soon Peter!

But:
"Send this to him. Latest is that it reduces the recovery time by 400%."

You can't reduce something by more than 100% without moving beyond the infinite or, in the case of recovery time, engaging in time travel.

If the recovery time is 6 weeks and you reduce that by 100% then you recover instantaneously.

MDS. 

MC and his ilk seem to be unable to decide whether COVID is a “Democrat” [sic] hoax, or a deadly plague maliciously visited upon us by the Chinese Communist Party.  Surely it can’t be both.

But as he is fond of reminding us, he is, after all “in health care” which, he thinks, gives him greater credence (and not the Clearwater variety), but actually makes the BS he is peddling that much more embarrassing.  And whether due to excessive occupational exposure to Roentgen radiation or mere genetic happenstance, it’s painfully obvious the guy is no Einstein.

So rather than spew utter nonsense on a topic he is eminently unqualified to comment on, maybe he should stick to predicting exactly when the Great Orange Grifter will be reinstalled in the Presidency (which is sure to occur last March 4th, I mean 20th; no, this August—which is to say, September!  Yeah, that’s the ticket!  Definitely by Halloween…)

One thing is incontrovertible, his nonsense is dangerous and likely harmful to those willingly or unwillingly exposed to it, as was so accurately prophesied:

And so it was that later

As the Miller told his tale

That her face, at first just ghostly,

Turned a whiter shade of pale.

—

jallon- Where else in nature do we find the amino acid sequence CGG-CGG? Where else but gain of function labs? 

Millercarbon - I want to applaud you for being as active here as you are. Each night I get a summary of what has been posted here. When I have time, I skim through a subject that interests me, and often times, I see your name with a long, well thought out post, again, and again. 

In fact, you have posted just shy of 10k times here, in just 2.5 years. Assuming you're not a hypocrite and you read what others suggest you read (as you do to them) I'm going to guess that it takes you, on average, 20 minutes per post. Or, about 200k minutes, or 3,333 hours in all, or in 2.5 years, about 111 hours per month. 

This is all a build up to ask you - what exactly, are you an expert in? 

In just this post, you know more than virologists, geneticists, clinicians, statisticians, cardiovascular experts, pulmonologists and others. In other posts, you write and claim that, if they had years to devote to learning a subject (such as electric engineering) you could so easily teach them, then and only then, they could learn something. 

So I ask again, what are you a subject matter expert in? Because I know a lot of subject matter experts who don't have even the 10th of the time you do, to dedicate to a forum. 

MC, as someone who has long COVID and is a scientist, cut out the irresponsible bullshit. Yes, total bullshit. Put your own life in danger, not others, and stick to what you reasonably know (ie turntables).

Charlie Sheen is still alive because of taking Leronlimab these last 6 yrs. What seems to be good for HIV is also good for Covid. Don't mention this to the FDA they get cranky when they need to think outside their's and the big pharma's pay scheme.

This guy jond is TOO much ... 🙄

Time for MC to be educated.

https://theconversation.com/amp/hiv-aids-vaccine-why-dont-we-have-one-after-37-years-when-we-have-se...

In the present case, even when the patient dies we are told endlessly that it is worth it. To the point people like antinn absorb this without even thinking. He mostly throws insults, not arguments. But to the extent he does try and make one, it is strangely not supportive of this vaccine but is in fact supporting questioning the use of vaccines in general. He just does not appear to realize that is what he has done.  

The present "vaccines" are not even vaccines. Certainly not the mRNA versions. mRNA is messenger RNA. As such they do not trigger an immune response but instead must go into the cell, into the nucleus, and activate DNA. They are more genetic engineering than vaccines.

In 40 years we have not been able to develop a single vaccine for HIV. Now in 9 months we somehow supposedly managed to invent SIX vaccines for this virus? Where do we miseducate people to believe such nonsense? Forget everything else. This simply does not pass the smell test. It does however smell exactly like what would happen if the worlds largest pharmaceutical corporations were each doled a slice of the trillion dollar pie. Then it is very easy to understand how suddenly all six managed to come to market with the same approvals at the same time.

The only question is how dumb do you have to be to believe this is anything to do with health care or science?

Oh by the way, in case I haven't mentioned yet, the amino acid sequence CGG-CGG occurs nowhere in nature. It is however used in gain of function research. And it is in COVID19.

@millercarbon,

First I have no confirmed evidence/knowledge that you are part of the medical community; if you are published then advise accordingly.  Otherwise,

The initial roll-out of the polio vaccine had its problems, The Cutter Incident: How America’s First Polio Vaccine Led to a Growing Vaccine Crisis (nih.gov).

The Dengue Fever vaccine had issues - The Dengue Vaccine Controversy Explained | Biomedical Odyssey (hopkinsmedicine.org)

Yellow Fever vaccine is not w/o its issues - Reactions to Yellow Fever Vaccine (cdc.gov).

I got the Pfizer COVID vaccine. I would get the Moderna COVID vaccine. Not so sure of the J&J and some of the others. Well aware of the risks. And, believe it or not I have not turned on my TV in 2 yrs. So nice try as they say, but I watch no crap; but I have listened to or read far too much.

MC stop ranting you make no sense the vaccines DO NOT kill 1% of the people who take them. That's preposterous and I see no data anywhere to back that assertion up. Then you post a link to a single death that may not even be vaccine related. You work in a hospital but seem to now know the difference between anecdotal and statistical evidence. The vaccines are both safe and effective give it a rest already.

antinn, you seem to have missed one very important detail: the vaccines are uncomfortably effective at putting people INTO hospital! Don’t forget I work in health care. Second largest hospital chain in the US. When they rolled out their big vaccine push one corporate email gushed about how few people had to be hospitalized after being vaccinated!

Yes they actually consider it a bragging right that the vaccine doesn’t kill everyone! They even listed the numbers. Apparently thinking no one with a brain would do the math. So here it is: 1% serious enough we make you hang around for observation. Does that sound like any vaccine you ever got?

The kicker is, and I still can’t believe they listed this, the number of people who required admission into the ICU! The freaking ICU!

What horribly propagandized crap do you have to be watching to think any of these vaccines are safe, let alone effective????! RUNuts?!?!

https://nypost.com/2021/03/16/italian-teacher-dies-hours-after-getting-astrazeneca-vaccine/

Get a freaking clue!!!

@ticat: Are you referring to religion, The Stones, or both? ;-)

@mwinkc,

Thanks for the post.  Good to see Peter back.  Whether one agrees with all he has to say he is always a wealth of knowledge.  I have 3 of his cartridges - Carmen (back for rebuuld), Boheme & Paua, and I have an 'invested' interest is how he is doing.    

bdp24

Right On Man....

This is a Zoom meeting where Peter addresses the NY/NJ Audiophile Group in this month's meeting.
It was released today.
I'm 15 min into the 2 hour video and am finding information that I've heard in his prior videos. He does mention that he'll do a quick summary for those who haven't seen his videos, but he won't spend a lot of time catching them up.
Anyways, It's great to see and hear him back in action..
Here is the link:
https://youtu.be/oKb_75TkLgE

@millercarbon,

You are missing one critical detail.  The vaccines are essentially 100% effective in keeping you out of a hospital.  You go into a hospital because of COVID and your risks of long term (long haul) effects increases dramatically.  If your symptoms require a respirator, your risk of 'long haul' symptoms increases exponentially.

This virus is at war with humans, and its an asymmetrical war with it mutating and targeting anyone it can; its tenacity to live is remarkable.  The vaccine(s) are our only definitive defense, and like any war there will always be civilian casualties;  its the unfortunate nature of war. 

For those not vaccinated, this virus will find a host; and with the elderly dead or vaccinated, the younger population is now the next target.  Maryland has one of the best COVID data-bases and highest % vaccinated and the results speak for themselves -  Coronavirus - Maryland Department of Health.

People are free to pretty much believe what they wish, take whatever risks they wish, so long as they accept the consequences.  Peter Lederrman who suffered a rare, life threatening reaction still supported the vaccine(s) - a true testament to a brave warrior.  And, Warren Buffet at eve of the 2008 recession and TARP passage said it best - "I would rather be approximately right than precisely wrong". 

And I consider myself one not easily influenced.  Probably comes from a past where if mistakes were made, the consequences could be 'significant'.  On a lighter but dark-note, there is always an alternative to global warming, its called a nuclear winter.  

Lewm you don't know what Dr. Bruce Patterson knows. Tom 

As to the "greatest mass delusion in history", Christopher Hitchens (a favorite writer/thinker of mine), Bill Maher, and other atheists consider that to be religion---all of them. But let’s not go there. ;-)

I vote THAT award should go to the myth that "The Rolling Stones Are The Greatest Rock ’n’ Roll Band In The World".

Au contraire, mon frere, you are not the enemy. Nor a mind-reader.

MC, in your eyes, I am the enemy. So be it. But on the subject of covid, I know more than you. Deal with it.

If you look at Brasil and India with their veriant younger people are indeed becoming infected and dying at a greater rate. It's only a matter of time before they become the predominant verity here, I believe they said about 6 weeks.

aj523, that's very good to hear. I swear by my Staingauge, happy to wait this out. If Peter is back on the job, then all indeed is becoming well.

@gmercer they may not be misinformation but it's information used to imply the vaccines are not safe which they are. From the CDC:

For public awareness and in the interest of transparency, CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:

• Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
• Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of June 21, 2021, more than 12 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 36 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.
  • To date, one confirmed case of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) has been reported to VAERS after more than 306 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccinesadministered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
• Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of June 21, 2021, VAERS has received 616 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 393 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.
• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 318 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through June 21, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,479 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

@jond just out of curiosity which of those articles he sourced are misinformation and why?

The "party line" = truth and science. Stop parroting half truths and misinformation MC.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/us-cdc-finds-more-clotting-cases-after-jj-vaccine-sees-causal...  

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaers-cdc-data-reported-deaths-covid-vaccines-kids-12-no...   

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-04/05-COVID-Oliver-508.pdf 

It is not hard to find this information. If you are the least bit curious, I mean. Also even a little intelligence can see the deaths are almost entirely aged, with the risk below 40 near zero- yet the vaccines are being pushed hardest on those least at risk. Which is also where the vaccine side effects are worse. 

Believe what you will lewm, you are terrific at that. Not so terrific at figuring things out.  

Even if the risk is miniscule, why take even a little risk for a vaccine that doesn't even work?  https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/246-fully-vaccinated-michigan-residents-catch-covid-19-3-die

Easy for you to feel smug parroting the party line. I personally see with my own eyes how this affects people. Easily the greatest mass delusion in history. You can be a part of the delusion, or a part of the solution. Your call. 

@spiritofmusic 

Hi, I placed a new order for the Hyperion and my dealer kept me in the loop on his discussions with them. He even visited Peter a couple weeks back and I think picked up the cart personally so things are slowly returning to normal. 

Aj523, good to hear re your completed order. My only concern is that it's been 8 weeks since confirmation of my Straingauge arrival, and no sign of an assessment/quote let alone work underway.
Can I ask how long you waited before you were notified of the cost of order/date underway?

Thank you for correcting dangerous tendencies, Lew.

MC, If you are talking about "rate of thrombosis" after vaccination, when you say it is "greatly increased", you are misinformed.  First, these odd and often catastrophic thrombotic events have been reported only for persons who received either of the two adenovirus-based vaccines currently in use outside of China (where the Chinese are using their own adenovirus-based vaccine).  Second, there is a finite risk period following vaccination, at around 50 days.  Once you are outside of that time line post-vaccination, apparently the incidence of the problem vanishes.  And third, the incidence is very low, the exact estimate keeps changing but probably around 1:50-100,000 vaccinations.  Severe cases are much rarer. I mentioned this earlier in this thread, but the etiology appears to involve adenovirus-specific antibodies that are cross-reactive with a certain platelet antigen.  Presence of those adenovirus antibodies causes low platelets ("thrombocytopenia").  Since platelets are necessary for normal hemostasis, you would think this would cause bleeding, but it causes clot formation in fact.  Now that the etiology is understood, these cases can be treated.  More important, physicians now know what NOT to do in treating these patients.


For sure, high altitude poses no risk for anyone who was vaccinated with any of the four COVID vaccines.  Persons with Sickle Cell anemia or with Sickle Cell trait are at risk for clotting in any situation that results in even mild hypoxemia, e.g., high altitudes.

And .. perhaps at a high altitude as with one's head in the clouds, some may believe anything the majority says. I suggest people consult alternate media as in experts that are all being silenced for speaking the truth. I wish you all luck.

Right. The rate of thrombosis is greatly increased, period. Altitude has nothing to do with it.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/06/scicheck-airlines-are-encouraging-not-banning-vaccinated-passenger...

"Contrary to the viral posts, medical experts say there is no evidence that vaccinated travelers face an increased risk for blood clots at high altitudes due to the COVID-19 vaccine.

“This sounds patently false. I would not have any concerns about vaccinated individuals traveling by air,” Dr. Adam Cuker, assistant professor of medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, told us in an email. Cuker’s research and clinical expertise is in blood clotting and bleeding disorders. “I am not aware of any evidence of an increased risk of thrombosis in [vaccinated] individuals with air travel.”

He delivered my Hyperion cart earlier this week. So that’s a positive. I patiently waited 4+months and supported his comeback instead of bailing. 

Reports of vaccines causing blood clots in certain individuals plus various other medical problems even deaths recently. British Airways lost four Pilots in one week due to bloidclots, and Delta Airlines reports three Pilots dying after vaccination. Warnings against the vaccinated from any flying have been out for a couple weeks now.