Peter Lederman in Second Bout With COVID-19

If the vaccines don't work why are cases and more importantly deaths dropping in countries where the vaccine rate is increasing?

seems pretty simple to me

and I don't work in health care... my mentally challenged cousin who cleans bed pans does though...  and he got vaccinated

fun fact about the internet......

you can find a link to support any kind of crackpot idea you want.. you may enjoy https://www.tfes.org/

I glanced at the one you posted which says the pandemic never existed

you might want to contact Brazil and India about that, they obviously didn't get the message

Mnmark, thank you

brace yourself for more drivel

hopefully the moderators will just kill the thread past the point where people were wishing Peter well and it spiraled into baseless diatribes and conspiracy theories

How did the virus escape? Accident or intentional? Remember we are dealing with the CCP who have a plan to dominate the world by 2048 and have great control in our nation (don't doubt it).
Was it used for any nafarious purposes?
Was there misinformation fed to the masses?
Were the views of many doctors censored?
Did it invoke fear? Fear is a powerful emotion that can be used to control a society.  

OK, but that has nothing to do with the crux of the debate which is about the safety and efficacy of the vaccines

Was there misinformation fed to the masses?
 

without a doubt we were lied to


Jan 22, 2020 "We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

Feb 10, 2020 “Looks like by April, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”

Feb 24, 2020 “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… the Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

Feb 25, 2020  "I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

Feb. 26, 2020 “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

Feb. 26, 2020 “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

Feb. 26, 2020 “Well, we're testing everybody that we need to test. And we're finding very little problem. Very little problem.”

Feb. 26, 2020 "This is a flu. This is like a flu."

Feb. 27, 2020 “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

March 6, 2020 "I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 6, 2020 “You have to be calm. It’ll go away.”

March 8, 2020 “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine-tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

March 13, 2020 “I don’t take responsibility at all.”

Guys and gals, I suggest some of you go to the undensored video platform named Bitchute and use the search function. There is much information the main-stream does not cover, enough said.

Not that Wikipedia is always right, but....

  BitChute is a video hosting service known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hate speech.[a][b] The platform was created in 2017 to allow video uploaders to avoid content rules enforcement on YouTube,[14] and some creators who have been banned from YouTube or had their channels barred from receiving advertising revenue ("demonetised") have migrated to BitChute.[1]

Since launching, BitChute has accommodated far-right groups and individuals.[a] The Southern Poverty Law Center wrote in 2019 that the site hosts "hate-fueled material", the Anti-Defamation League wrote in 2020 that "BitChute has become a hotbed for violent, conspiratorial and hate-filled video propaganda, and a recruiting ground for extremists", and Bellingcat wrote in 2021 that the platform was "rife with racism and hate speech".[10][11][13] According to a 2020 report from anti-extremism group Hope not Hate, BitChute "actively promotes" content which was removed from other platforms as hate speech.

BitChute's founder Ray Vahey has described BitChute as "politically neutral".[17] Hope Not Hate wrote in their 2020 report that "in actuality, the company chooses to almost exclusively promote content and producers that engage in hate speech and harmful misinformation" and that the "vile and dangerous content that abounds on BitChute is a result of deliberate decisions on the part of their founder and team".[12] Bellingcat reported in 2021 that Vahey used the platform's Twitter account to promote antisemitic conspiracy theories, COVID-19 misinformation, and QAnon content.[13]

 fake pandemic

I guess those are all fake dead people piling up in India and Brazil now? Must be having an election

Population of Brazil...211 millionCovid deaths...500,000

Population of India... 1 Billion
Covid deaths...400,000

As I was saying...

actually, no idea what you are saying. Are you saying these numbers are correct or incorrect like you say the US numbers are? And if they are or they aren't what is your point? almost a million dead in just  those 2 countries because of a fake pandemic?

All I know is there are a  large number of Indians from shallow graves washing up on the river banks because they don't have enough fuel to burn them as they normally would. Something is killing them. 

No doubt there are many errors in the stated reasons for each  reported death. Too many variables to be completely accurate. Too many gaps in how they are reported to be completely accurate. There is also no doubt that deaths worldwide have spiked in the past year. 

To declare that this pandemic is "fake" is simply to deny the truth. Not even the Anus Tangerinus denied it was real after the hospitals were full and it almost killed him.

Humans stopped the Earth from spinning for something that has killed 3 million people when the flu kills between 300 and 500,000 people every single year..

over 3 million and continuing to climb with no end in site unless we slow it down with GULP, vaccines and common sense precautions, a key difference


a couple of points and then I am done with this. First a personal anecdote after I express how bewildered that anyone can in any way equate this to the flu. Everyone I know in my circle of friends that contracted COVID was cavalier at best and outright defiant at worst. Nobody I know who took the recommended precautions got it. Some who did get it are still suffering the after effects 6 months later. That doesn’t happen with the flu.

1. The flu kills a lot less now that we have vaccines
2. The worst flu season on record on the US is about 60,000 dead, we are over 600,000 from the virus and it is pure ignorance to think the number would not have been much higher without masking and the rest. . Downplaying this virus by drawing parallels to the flu is again, pure ignorance.
3. The flu kills in the fall/winter then goes away until the next round. This virus started killing in large numbers in the spring and those numbers continued to climb and climb and climb until they peaked in the US in January when what happened? That’s right, we started vaccinating and now the numbers are dropping where people are vaccinated.
4. Where are the numbers going back up or never declined? In places where people are not vaccinated. We shall see but the new variants promise to start killing the unvaccinated in even greater numbers
5. Heart disease, obesity, and tobacco related deaths are mostly the result of personal choices. Downplaying this virus by drawing parallels to them is again, pure ignorance. Nobody chose to get this virus.
5. it truly is sad that anybody would accuse those on the front lines dealing with this of doing so for monetary gain. No, not sad... sick. It is truly disgusting.

And I am done trying to reason with sick, disgusting people.