It is a shame that this sort of "product" thread accepts any opinion that is of gushing gratitude only. If an individual states a less than the expected experience, or asks the wrong question, that person is singled out (by many, no, make that nearly all), and vilified on this supposed open forum. You can say what you like, as long as it conforms with the positive and glowing comments expected. You call this "freedom of the press"? Only on your terms... |
@thecarpatian +1 Very well stated! I do understand how Tim would take all of this so personally as they are products he designed and pained over. It's kind of like overhearing someone negatively opining about one of your children. That's hurtful and hard to put aside.
Tim, perhaps if you re-read some of your last posts here you will get a better sense of what @thecarpathian stated so well above.
I was seriously considering a mat for my electrical service but now...? |
Has anyone found that E-Mats effect improves over 3 weeks or more? Frank has added and removed so many mats that I guess it would be difficult to tell in his system. I have not moved my E-Mats for three weeks and the system just sounds better than ever the last several days. |
What has to be considered is what has happened behind the scenes via Emails and phone calls between Tim and a couple of individuals who post here. So far, Tim has had the patience of Job. At this point he's probably wondering when the locusts are coming. Sometimes emotions get the better of us all and we tend to vent. Human nature I guess.
Frank |
Apparently Tim only wants opinions that absolutely gush about his products to be printed here. If you’re not satisfied, do NOT post your opinion here, send Tim a private message. What a double standard. "Print only the accolades, censor the dissatisfied!" Sorry, that's not how a forum works. Tim, you are really showing yourself in a bad light, here. I understand, your products have come up against skepticism. Your integrity has come into question, etc...But to answer the skeptics with attacks of your own, childish insults, and accusations is an unwise thing for a company owner to do. You don’t have the luxury of that. You have to take the high road. Anything less, and you lessen yourself, your products, and your company.
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Frank and @t_ramey
Thank you guys for starting these threads on two new products that are elevating the musical experience of many music lovers. I enjoy the sharing of experiences and all actual experiences are welcome and useful to our community here. I know both of you do this out of a sincere excitement for the products and desire to share with others. Absolutely no doubt in my mind. I purchase two TC kits because of these threads. One directly from Tim and one through a member. I have also posted several very positive reviews of TC. I am also going to buy the smaller cards if Tim lets me 😕
It is unfortunate the owner seems less excited about hearing all opinions and questions. Tim, you would do well to step back and not appear as though you are treating and intending this open forum to be a one way advertisement. You attacked me and were indeed “short” with Ozzy for no good reason. No reason. I assume, like all of us, there are times when we can respond more appropriately and with more understanding. I hope this is the case in the future as the last thing any of us need in life is difficultly in places where we look for enjoyment.
I don’t want to dwell on this stuff anymore Tim. My benign post stated the mat improved the sound, just not to the level of others/other systems. No mention of disappointment or not working etc... My motive is clear based on my history on this site. My reputation if you will. I want for the community to better understand when the mat will have the greatest impact and where. That’s it.
You are now speculating I have some sort of ill motive here. I am sincerely sorry you feel/see it this way. |
@jetter A better example would be how does my technology differ from other topical, and in line signal enhancers? I have answered this before.
It is completely different. That is all your going to get, and the return guarantee.
TO ALL THE CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE PURCHASED E MATS
IF YOUR ARE NOT TOTALLY HAPPY WITH THE PERFORMANCE
PLEASE CALL OR EMAIL ME.
@grannyring Protective is the right word, Bill. This much I do know for a fact. None of my products are system dependent, that is a myth, and not just my opinion. If the other member you speak of did pay up front
for a mat and is disappointed, shouldn't he contact the manufacture first,
instead of voicing his opinion to someone who put in writing I won't buy
one because of the expense, but would try the cheaper smaller version.
One can't help but to ask, what is your real intention?
These products are like my children, I am proud of what I put into them,
and will protect them to the end.
Happy Listening
Tim Mrock
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^^^ Twenty Three Ska-Doo ... and ... Oh You Kid.
Geoff ... are you saying not to take any wooden nickles?
Frank |
Never smarten up a chump and never give a sucker an even break. 😬
Loose lips 👄 sink ships 🚢 |
Tim, simple question, without giving away any trade secret, what makes the mat different from, for lack of a better example, a simple piece of packing material? How about throwing a little light on this in a manner that would not allow another to steal your formula? |
Tim, you are jumping to conclusions and referring to the wrong person above. Yes, I also talked to the person you mentioned above, but I was not referring to him. Yes, his system is still settling in and he knows that as well as I. No reason to be so defensive. I like your product and simply look forward to learning more about where it works best and in what types of systems. Seems the level of AC tweaking and attention as well as interaction with other system tweaks plays a role here. That is my interest and my post just reflected it. Sorry to say your post is an over reaction and not even accurate. I talk to many folks about audio and you jumped to the wrong conclusion and person. |
@grannyring Gee Bill you are leaving a lot of out of the second hand story, like the amount of time I spent on the phone with that fine customer. How about the checkpoint I ran him through?
Did I poo poo when he told me you were building him a new linear power supply, and power cord? My exact quote "excellent" I then asked him if the goods would be pre cooked or fresh from the bench?
I told him his system would be changing for quite some time, well past my 30 day return policy. I told him based on his changes I would extend it for him. Satisfaction is my top priority period.
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Say, isn’t Ozzy the same dude that complained a bunch of times about the graphene contact enhancer? Beware the disgruntled controversial tweak customer.
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@ozzy Hi Ken,
Sorry you feel that way. Its pretty obvious your not thrilled with it, do us both a favor ,
and please send it back.
Happy listening
Tim
Not sure what part of that makes you think I am P.O.ed.
I thought it was a professional response to your email in my box this morning.
As far as the sample I sent you, it was enough to do your system, it was just over a half a ML, measured it myself. Thank you for your interest
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lak ...
In looking at the pictures of your system, you have a prime location with those large circuit breaker panels. If I were you, I’d put at least two mats on the outside of those panels and see what happens. Your system is such that you should clearly hear the changes. Judicious use of Total Contact would increase the effects as well.
Answer ... get more Omega E Mats and at the same time order a tube of TC.
Frank |
oregonpappa,
Tim did send me a small sample of the TC but it was only enough to do the 3 wires that are attached to my 3 dedicated breakers along with the neutral and grounds wires.
I have spent a great deal of money on my main system. And that does not include all of the power cords, balanced power, dedicated lines etc. that I also own. I really do believe that the music starts with quality AC power.
To me, I think a 5% improvement for a tweak is very good. And if I didn’t already have all of the Bybee's perhaps it would have had more effect. Again, I think the Omega mat works fine over the breakers but honestly guys I don’t think its worth $600. I would figure about $200 -$300 to be the proper price point.
But that is only my opinion and we all have different hearing, systems etc. so thanks to Tim a trial is a real plus. I would like to keep the one mat and let it "break in" longer.
Question: What actually breaks in?
Alas, I think I pe’od Tim because he just sent me an email to send the trial mat back.
ozzy
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I'm almost sorry to bring this up, but in my main audio system, there appears to be additional audio improvement after 3 weeks. Is it possible that the effect increases between the 2nd and 3rd week as well, more than just subtle? |
We seem to have varying results system to system with the mat. Both Ozzy and Lak are well respected Agoners with a long and solid history of experience here. TC seemed more universal in praise and result. I spoke with another Agoner who shared the improvement with the mat was there, but not substantial. Don’t think we yet know why some rigs respond more than others?
One use of the mat has seemed to garner near universal praise and that is placement in the main circuit breaker panel. Here the placement seems to improve every electrical appliance and system in the home from lighting to TVs and refrigerators! Wow!
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Lak,
I tried the second Mat on top of my Rega Dac-r in my office system. The improvement was minimal, but noticeable, after a week. After speaking with Tim about it, He suggested that I should place the Mat onto the breaker panel. That gave me fantastic results in musical clarity, PRaT etc... The first Mat was placed on my cd transport and it made a huge improvement after about an hour of being in place. After about two weeks, the effect was even more pronounced and more enjoyable.
I don’t know whether my having treated my entire system with TC first, makes a difference, but I have have nothing but a positive experience with the Mat.
Thanks,
rc |
I'm looking for suggestions here from those that have a positive experience with the E=Mat.
I received one E-Mat from Tim and placed it into my system #2 under the HFC MC-6 power distributor. I thought that might be a good location since the MC-6 feeds power to my Dac, Transport, preamp and FM Tuner. I left the E-Mat there for 5 days but did not notice any differences. Thinking that this might not be the best location for the E-Matt I switched it's location to my system #1 on top of my Yamamoto YDA-01 Dac with the magnetic backer facing up, and the actual working part on the E-Mat laying on my Dac. As of today, the E-Mat has been there for seven days, my system sounds as good as ever, however, I can't distinguish any improvements. Both systems 1 and 2 are audiophile quality, and if I do say so myself I believe I have a pretty good ear when it comes to making evaluations as to what I hear. I'm looking for suggestions as to what to do next? Leave the E-Mat in place for another week or try a different location? |
Ozzy ...
How did you end up with the Total Contact experiment in your system? Was it an overall improvement, or did you remove it before it settled in? I’m asking because the combination of the TC and the Omega E Mats, as "rc" said above, is quite dramatic. A startling improvement in my case. Steve (Fleischer) found the same thing in his system as well. Mribob (BOB) is testing six mats now with initial impressions that are very positive. He’s very conservative in his assessments, much like yourself. If you gave up early on the TC and removed it, my suggestion would be to get more TC and redo the system along with more mats. There has to be a time when your reaction would be ... "Holy Crappola!" :-)
Frank |
Kedoades,
I have, over the last two years, spent considerable resources on power supplies, interconnects, powerchords, power plugs and vibration control devices. In my system I have had surprisingly good results in doing so. In that time I have not changed out any components. I have found that power conditioners and powerchords have give the most impact in reducing digital glare. Next the vibration Control devices brought out a more organic guality in the music. The interconnect upgrades have also aided in further reducing the digital noise further, thus extracting even more musical detail.
The Total Contact upgrade provided a stunning across the board upgrade to all the previous upgrades to my main and office systems. This upgrade was one of the least costly of all the above mentioned upgrades save for the power plug change outs.
The cost of two Mats is just as an effective upgrade as The Total Contact and just as easily heard. I put the one that Tim sent me on my +/-15 year old CD player’s transport and it made it sound like a very decent analog rig. The second Mat, that I will pay for, was placed on the inside of the door to my breaker panel. Both systems improved subtlety during the first week and a half. At the two week point it really did improve both systems dramatically. Both systems are now sounding substantially less digital.
I hope this gives you anothers perspective on the value of the TC and Mat upgrades/tweaks.
Thanks,
rc
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I am impressed with the Omega Mats improving a system over an extended period of time. I placed one mat on the sub panel circuit breaker door June 10 and one on my Oppo 203 DVD player and Pass Lab INT-60 amp on June 18. This week I noticed further improved audio and video improvement with the AV system and audio improvement with the stereo system.
I am pleased with the results on these three locations and have ordered additional Omega Mats to try with my SACD players, headphone amp, and on the main circuit breaker door.
I have found the improvement generated by each Mat to be worth their price. It certainly is easier than swapping out power amps (my Pass Lab INT-60 amp does weigh over 100 lbs). Also the break in roller coaster (to me) is less than when comparing power cords and interconnects. Finally the cost to return the Mat with it's 30 day return policy makes it rather fun to try.
David Pritchard
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Littlecx,
when I spoke to Tim a few weeks ago, he said that it helps his laptop run cooler but we did not discuss any sonic benefits in detail. We just ran out of time. You may want to give him call or just ask him through the forum. I think it may help since a lot of digital noise is generated from computers in general.
I guess I just asked the question.
Very courious,
rc
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kedoades,
To me 5% is quite a bit. The Omega mat is not equal to a component upgrade/change but it does add to my enjoyment. Could I live without it? Sure, but I would prefer to keep it.
Perhaps if I had more of them to work with my estimate would change. However so would the cost. In my perspective, if 5 of them are needed to improve the sound substantially then for that $3000 I would first consider a component upgrade, or perhaps the SR active grounding block.
oregonpapa,
I removed the Bybee’s that were at the circuit breaker box that I replaced with the Omega mat. I did not remove all of the rest of the Bybee’s throughout my system. Again, if I had more mats then I would replace the Bybee’s.
ozzy
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^^^
The combination of Total Contact and the Omega E Mats is stunning.
Ozzy ... did you remove all of your Bybee devises as suggested? The reason I ask is, either your 5% estimate is way too conservative, or there is something interfering with the mat's ability to work as advertised.
Frank |
@ozzy Only 5%. Well I guess it is system dependent because I would say I have about 20%(just a rough estimate), but the gains in soundstage bass and overall relaxation of the music has been better then some pretty expensive power cord upgrades. Also someone mentioned that the mat adds emotion to the music and I could not agree more. Much more toe tapping and enjoyment of music. And yes mine has improved over the days since I added it. I would say the impact of the mat may be greater then the impact of total contact, which is kind of unbelievable. |
oregonpapa, 68pete, lak,
Thank you, though I think the mat does provide (about 5%) improvement the price is pretty high for that amount of improvement. However, with my system, that 5% is quite noticeable.
I have read so many posters including Tim that say the mat improves with more extended use. I’m not really sure how that can be. But, I have been wrong and amazed before so I will continue with an open mind.
ozzy
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Ozzy, thanks for the time and effort you put into your last post on the E-Mat, very thorough and well written!
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jay23,
Although I do question your ability to reach conclusions about what effect the mat has on sound quality, given your lack of experience with it, my reply was rather snarky.
I apologize for that.
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I am using notebook as a player. USB to dac. Anyone tried place the mat under or on the notebook? |
Update on the update.
Another jump in musical clarity from yesterday to today. Notes are definitely more focused. For example, Cymbals have a much more realistic shimmer and guitar notes are better defined. The music also has a quicker and more realistic pace. The dynamics are even more powerful. I could go on but suffice it to say, I thought that the Mat was done improving but was I wrong.
By the way all this improvement has come without any negatives.
This is very nice!
rc
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@tommylion jay23,
Wow, your insight about a product you have zero experience with is truly amazing🙄 Says the guy that didn't even hear a tweak was originally "adding a 'dark' coloration." 😂 The Bybee was the last one in my system, I had sort of forgotten about it. After removing it, I realized that it was adding a “dark” coloration.
Go back to praying to your Blues and mats... 🙄 |
jay23,
Wow, your insight about a product you have zero experience with is truly amazing 🙄 |
@fleschler I thought that the Quartetto Italiano Philips recordings (especially the Beethoven Quartets) were too distant and reverberant. After the E-Mat installation and two weeks, the sound is more direct, more resolving of each instrument and more dynamic.
Thank you! This confirms my suspicion of this product. Another noise reducer to throw out the baby with the bath water. The majority of these companies know what sells. |
ozzy,
I removed the Bybee from inside the Core Tech. I don’t currently have a mat on, or under, the unit, but I think it’s a good candidate for one.
The Bybee was the last one in my system, I had sort of forgotten about it. After removing it, I realized that it was adding a “dark” coloration. I definitely prefer the sound without it.
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tommylion,
Just to clarify, are you saying to just remove the Bybee IQSE from the Core Tech or remove it and replace with a Omega mat?
ozzy
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Thanks for your response papa, appreciated. |
jetter ...
Base material: Imagine a refrigerator magnet that is about 8" x 10". Flexible in a stiff way.
TC: It works like TC but the formula is different. Label is on one side, magnet on the other side. The magnet has nothing to do with the sound.
Intertwined?: No one except Tim knows.
Frank |
Can someone who has the mat answer a couple of basic questions? When you look at the mat and hold it, what does it look and feel like is the base material? Foam rubber, cloth, other? Does it appear to work like TC, which as I understand it, the "working" end of TC is grapheme or some other material that is suspended in the paste material? Is the mat material that works or something intertwined within the mat material? Just really wondering because the picture on the ad is just a close up of the label and really hard to tell. |
Question on the Emat. I will be trying the smaller ones once they are ready. I plan to place one in each of the crossover compartments located in the bottom of my speakers. Can I use some small pieces of double sided tape to hold these in place? I assume this is a non-issue. I just don’t want these loose in the cab. Also, I assume these mats are not conductive?
Thanks
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Thank you for the info. I will get the Bybee and ECTs out of the transfo and see what it does. |
barbapapa,
I had a Bybee iQSE inside my Core Power Technologies Equi=Core 300 power unit and the sound definitely improved when I removed it.
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That Torus is about 30 lbs heavier than my Bryston BIT20. What a monster! |
I have an Emat on the breaker with good effect as some of you descibed better than I could do. In the Torus AVR16 I also have a Bybee IQSE ans some Synergistic Research ECT inside near the mains.
Do you think I should remove all this for having a better efficiency of the Mat in my system ?
The Torus is a little beast that weight a mere 56 kg.
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Ozzy
Thanks for the up date |
I'm not certain of what's in a Bybee or why it works and we don't know anything about the E-Mat. With only a single E-Mat trial on such a system, it maybe difficult to define a difference.
However, without Bybees and using six E-Mats, the results are instantly apparent and after two weeks, greatly superior. I'm having so much fun listening to recordings I thought were inferior. I thought that the Quartetto Italiano Philips recordings (especially the Beethoven Quartets) were too distant and reverberant. After the E-Mat installation and two weeks, the sound is more direct, more resolving of each instrument and more dynamic. Great performances as well. |
Ozzy ... That was an excellent review. Thanks ... Try leaving the Omega E Mat undisturbed for two weeks and see what happens. If you can swing it, get one more E Mat for each component in your system. Remove the Bybee devises and install the Mats. Again, leave them alone for two weeks. If you do this, you will have this in spades ...vvv "It is now my opinion that the Omega mat excites an emotional feeling. It is sort of a feeling of a live presence that was lacking in the recorded sound. I don’t know how or why but it was easy to hear once it was reinserted."
By the way, did you listen to your car stereo while the mat was in the car?? :-) Frank |
Omega Mat My Final Update: As I stated earlier in my first review of the Omega mat, components where I had Bybee IQSE units installed the mat had little to no effect. I have 3 dedicated 10 ga outlets/breakers. At the end of the line is Furutech GTX nano rhodium outlets. I also have 20 of the HF MC-.05’s installed (with diy outlet strips) at the outlets prior to my Core Tech 1800’s balanced conditioners. Which also have Bybee IQSE’s inside. With so many positive and emotional reviews of the Omega mat I believed the mat had to be doing something for the better. So why did the mat with the Bybee’s have so little effect? My guess is that the Bybee IQSE’s and the Omega somehow cancelled each other out. And after all the Bybee’s are installed inside the components and much closer to the circuitry than the Omega mat which was placed on the outside of the units. I decided the breaker panel was the easier area to attack so I removed the (2) Bybee’s that are of the “original signal enhancers” version and the ERS cloth from my breaker panel and placed the Omega mat over the breaker(s). Then yes, I did think the Omega mat was contributing to an overall balanced improved sound. That is; an overall better frequency response with a wider and deeper soundstage. But, I wasn’t quite sure. However, I have found that when making changes especially with tweaks initially the sound may sound impressive but over time that new sound becomes the norm and then I start to wonder if the product is as great as I once thought it to be. So last night I removed the Omega mat from the breaker box and placed it in my car in the garage. 12 hours later I turned my system back on and did some deep listening. Primarily to evaluate the sound quality without all the previous items in the breaker box including now without the Omega mat. As I write this, I find that the frequency extremes are still the same. Perhaps the soundstage is a little flatter as is not as deep. However, not as much change as I thought there would be. Very interesting and confusing. Why did I think the mat initially provided an increase in the sound quality? So once again I reintroduced the Omega mat over the breakers. About 6 hours later I again sat down to listen. I found that… there was indeed a more satisfying sound. Huh? How? There was no frequency change, and not much change in the soundstage. Not anything that I could point specifically at. But the Omega mat did contribute to an overall deeper music appreciation. It is now my opinion that the Omega mat excites an emotional feeling. It is sort of a feeling of a live presence that was lacking in the recorded sound. I don’t know how or why but it was easy to hear once it was reinserted. So, after all of this, I believe that the one Omega mat I have is a definite plus to my system and music enjoyment. Now I need to get a few more of the Omega mats to try inside the external crossovers of my Bob Carver Amazing Line Source speakers. And somewhere down the line I would like to place the Omega mat inside my components after removing the Bybee IQSE’s. ozzy |
