@stereo5
Ok I stand corrected on you not asking for the mat thread to be taken down. I got that wrong as your statement was not completely clear. I apologize for that.
Yes, we disagree on the wisdom of painting with such a negative broad brush on a product not tried or understood.
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Uberwaltz, I hope your post is a satire. |
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I have a real problem. I was listing to some music on my main system this evening and for the last week and have really enjoyed the Mat’s effects on the music. Then I took the Mat from my office dac and put it on the inside of my electric breaker panel door. The problem is that I will now to buy another Mat 😏.
I had no real expectations about getting any kind of “improvements”. However, there seems to be an accumulative effect with the Mat on the CD player and the one just placed on the breaker panel. The bass notes are even more articulate and thus easier to follow. Vocals are fuller and sound even more natural. The overall detail in the music, brought about by the previous TC treatments and the existing Mat, has now grown to be more life size. The instruments are even easier to locate and follow in that larger sound field. Notes resonate more naturally than before. Pianos and percussion are incredible. The emotion and power of the music is also better communicated.
This is fun.
rc
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Excellent rc, thanks for sharing!
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Has anyone compared the mat to RainTinge?
Only interested in hands-on "testimonials" - period.
DeKay
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@almarg et al These warnings pertaining to pacemakers, hearing aids and metal implants are applied to induction stove tops and I have seen some microwave ovens with similar warnings. Items sold as medically directed alternate therapies that use magnets are a focus of our Medical Association who say these deserve appropriate warnings. With regard to the OP subject, IMHO, I cannot fathom the logic of laying down USD$600 (AUD800) on a mat that has no information forthcoming, no facts, figures, pictures, just the usual enthusiasts gushing about a blacker sound floor; having gushed about the same results from mega-buck fuses, wall plugs, Graphene treated coagulant fluid and so on, such that the black sound floor could not get blacker or the change be any more audibly discernible unless measured with a meter. Not a peep about factual figures about system benefits, just an empirical love in. I looked on the web and found naught. There is nothing prejudicial about my comments, as these are my own observations, my opinion, as worthy as anyone else's. |
Someone did an extensive review on 1/29/2005. https://www.audioasylum.com/reviews/Accessory/Rain-Tinge/Resolution-Enhancement-for-CD-and-DVD-playb...However, noting the music that the reviewer liked, I find the review highly suspect.
"favorites that Raintinge have a huge impact on and make them listenable to me (made my long day special)... 1. Hayley Westenra, "Pure"... - this is a very beautiful voice. The voice and hipnotic nasal resonance just instantly brightens my day...even at some hateful hours like 4 in the morning. You haven't lived until you experience this voice when it is accurate. 2. a collection of Sarah Brightman... - quite the same as Ms. Westenra and much more trained to sing more different notes and musical style. 3. Norah Jones, SACD... -with all the hype about extremely high resolution for a more accurate sound - it's just the same problem as all the CDs and other "optical" disks and just the same improvements when using the color system. 4. Diane Krall, SACD... -unusually sexy voice...it must be her amazing control of her nasal resonance...would she have a sexy voice if she snorts through her nasal like a pig? I told you before nasal resonance dominates female voice. 5. a collection of Jennifer Warnes... - she has the most delicate feminine nasal resonance. If she sounds like a man talking, you have a bad stereo. My favorite to torture test stereo for understanding accuracy. 5. the Innocence Mission, "befriended"... -(I bought 2 LPs!) if you 're into shy childhood story and geeky poetry like Morrissey and Simon & Garfunkle, this is the best with a beautiful voice that is as complex to play as Jennifer Warnes. 6 a collection of the Corrs, DVD... -It's almost like super models have a talent to sing. It is heart-warming when the color system made each sister look so pretty and similar in their sisterly kind of way (tough choice if I have to chose one of them). 7. Soda Club, "anthem alert", CD and DVD... - don't look at this DVD if you don't normally look at super models. Their voices are beautiful in their own way. It's what I usually hear everyday talking to girls. 8. Bond, DVD... - visually and sonically when using the color system, it is so good it hurts. No RainTinge for me unless someone reviews it using better recordings/performances.
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It's interesting how feedback falls into two groups:
1. Tries it and likes it
2. Violently opposed to it, has to insult anyone who says they can notice a difference, does not try it.
It would be good to have the designers view on what led him to the design of the mat and what he thinks it is doing. I presume it’s similar to other products by Bybee, SR and Akiko which work by absorbing RFI and EMF. I wonder how these mats can be selective and not also absorb some of the musical details? My experience with Bybee is hit and miss, it seems not to be good in some places and better in others. Akiko make some just for mains and consumer units, which look interesting and I suspect is the right area for these “absorption” products.
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You said it toetapaudio. Which is why I label number 2 posters as trolls, miscreants and people I would not want to associate with.
I would like to know more about the Omega E mat too. I surmise that it has a purely electrical function, working on RFI, EMF using magnetic properties. But that's about all I can tell. If it really works wonders for music, I'm a buyer. For $600 each, I hope that it surpasses the SR blue fuse and is as sound enhancing as Stillpoints, Hallographs and SR HFT system as tweaks. |
@toetapaudio Who did I insult? I was particular to offer it "In my humble opinion" and that we are all entitled to an opinion. If anything, your post is divisive by placing people into one nice camp and the other a vehemently opposed camp, which they are not necessarily. Maybe you can explain what I cannot see? I, and others are entitled to ask questions of a product which has no information available, and I cannot find anything on the web about. If "posters (or is that postees?)" are repeatedly claiming that the latest tweak is the best, and the resultant effect on that particular system is better than the previous best, then the question becomes "so what is the net effect of all these advertised tweaks?". A black sound floor that was blacker than the previous black? In addition, these "tweaks" are not inexpensive, at least to my meagre budget. |
@fleschler You are the one being insulting. Both you and @toetapaudio are using insulting, divisive language. |
toetapaudio
It would be good to have the designers view on what led him to the design of the mat and what he thinks it is doing. I presume it’s similar to other products by Bybee, SR and Akiko which work by absorbing RFI and EMF.
>>>>>Huh? First of all magnets don’t absorb, attract or shield RFI or EMI. Nor can magnets bend or attract or absorb light. Second, even if it did there are much less expensive ways to absorb or shield RFI/EMI, for example draping a Carbon Fiber cloth over the component. Third, even if magnetic material shielded or absorbed RFI it would have to be wrapped completely around the component. What the mat might do, being magnetic, is absorb magnetic fields, which could be done cheaply with mu metal. |
@ toeapaudio It would be good to have the designers view on what led him to the
design of the mat and what he thinks it is doing. I presume it’s similar
to other products by Bybee, SR and Akiko which work by absorbing RFI
and EMF. I wonder how these mats can be selective and not also absorb
some of the musical details? My experience with Bybee is hit and miss
I can not share the chemistry. It is similar to in premise to the above mentioned devices, and others, but only in concept of use that's it.
The magnet has absolutely nothing to do with the sonic properties,
it was chosen for versatility of placement. My #1 goal with the design
was to offer a level of performance never offered before regardless of
price.
For those who do not understand why I do not want to go into detail on the nitty gritty of the technology, I will spell it out COPY CATS, hence the 30 day return guarantee.
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As far as similar products, I had 6 Bybee iQSEs in my system previously. Although they did provide some sonic benefit, it was minor compared to what the the Omega mats are doing.
The Omega mat is obviously more expensive than the iQSE. However, if I was forced to choose between 5 iQSEs and one Omega (same price), I would definitely take the one Omega. |
@amg56- I just don’t know why you even bother. You obviously have no interest in the subject here or this thread but yet it’s like you seek it out to just be antagonistic. Surely there must be a thread that involves something you enjoy or have interest in as this one here doesn’t seem to be for you.
You’ve shared some personal issues on this forum before so I’m shocked that you continually spend the time and energy that you do on subjects like this where it seems you get easily offended by what others say. Again, I just don’t think this is for you. There’s too much around here that you could enjoy and participate in rather than get worked up over silly stuff and what people say. At the end of the day it’s just a fun hobby, or at least it should be, and really hope you can seek out the good things here in the forum and find subjects that are in your circle of interest.
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And just for Jetters edification if he has not worked it out yet
No my previous post was NOT satire.
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Satire. Damage Control. What’s the diff?
Besides, I’m pretty sure unterwaltz meant to say effectiveness instead of efficiency. A small thing, perhaps, but an irritating one. 😠
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Thank you SO much for the correction of my slovenly English.....
Note to self.... Try harder young Padawan!
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uberwaltz, I did figure it out, but only after your previous response. There are people here who have purchased the mat of whom I enjoy their discourse on audio so I do not want to speak at all negatively.
In these threads there has been one fact that has never been clearly spelled out, and here it is. Many are by nature tweakers, which is great and great fun to them. Others, like myself, are not dedicated tweakers and as such the price exceeds our comfort zone on what we would pay for a mat in particular or perhaps any tweak in general.
Perhaps just two sides of the same coin.
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Jetter
Your words make perfect sense and personally I find $600 to spend on a "tweak" with no knowledge of its true nature and operation a little hard to swallow.
However I would never disrespect said product and product purveyor on those grounds alone.
With that being said I have purchased other tweaks on general feedback from this forum and not had a bad experience so far.
Still unsure if I can mentally accept multiple $600 purchases on a tweak yet.
Just to put into perspective in my minds eye, my "main" CD player cost me $8 postage courtesy of Geoff Kait!
But am I going to,or indeed should others ,cry foul for that reason alone? I truly do not think so.
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@uberwaltz When I designed this mat, I am acutely aware that the price might be to much for all music lovers, and budgets. I want everyone to be able to have this technology. Very very shortly I will release the next,
and only size to the Omega.
The size will be 1/10, the power will be 1/10, and the price will be 1/10th of the Omega. This size will have a couple of unique applications that the big mat
cannot due to size.
The important feature to me is allow anyone to get a healthy taste of what the big mat will do at a ridiculous inexpensive price with the same
30 day guarantee.
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@perfectpathtech - A "trial size" at 1/10 the price with a 30 day money back guarantee is a great idea! The smaller size also means it can be used in many different areas and applications. |
amg56 sez: - "just the usual enthusiasts gushing about a blacker sound floor; having gushed about the same results from mega-buck fuses, wall plugs, Graphene treated coagulant fluid and so on, such that the black sound floor could not get blacker or the change be any more audibly discernible unless measured with a meter."
What you don't seem to get is that there is an inordinate amount of electronic noise emanating from all of the electrical components in our systems. With each of the above tweaks you mentioned, a certain amount of that electronic noise was eliminated. Therefore, with each tweak that you mentioned, the amount of electronic noise eliminated incrementally lowered the "noise floor." This is noise that exists ... but you aren't aware of it until its gone. Again amg56 ... you certainly have the right to state your opinions, but its obvious that your opinions aren't based upon experience or facts ... and are totally based upon emotion. Frank |
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@perfectpathtech.
That would appear to be an ideal marketing step and I for one would take you up on that. Thank you! |
I was mistaken as to the use of the magnetism in the mat. It is apparently only used for attaching to or attracting the mat to the device or surface. Even the current mat is not large enough to cover my main power box which is 14" long. Should I put the mat across the main breakers? Should I put the sixth mat under my amps, isolation transformer or electrical subpanel which feeds my audio system? Thanks |
@fleshler I would place one center main panel, one center sub panel,
one on the isolation transformer, I would then split the other 3 in your system starting with source.
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fleschler
I was mistaken as to the use of the magnetism in the mat. It is apparently only used for attaching to or attracting the mat to the device or surface.
>>>>No harm, no foul. We all enjoying trying to figure out how new tweaks work. Got a second choice for how the mat works? Share, share... |
I received my fourth E-Mat. Had plans on leaving under a ss amp that is out of service. I decided to place under my SR PowerCell with the glass too yesterday. My system definitely sounded better but I could tell the effect was varying of time. Well this morning, the E-Mat had settled in for about 14 hours and now my reviewing system sounds incredible. Talk about more natural, tighter bass, better stereo separation and improved soundstaging. Wow. I'm wondering how it would sound under a Tranquillity Base. If you have components that are $5K or more, you owe it to your self to evaluate the E-Mat and for those with a budget system, the smaller version should be the ticket.
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Bad news on the Mats, guyz ...
I'm holding six Omega E Mats for fleschler. He's picking them up in about an hour from now.
Last night for the listening session. I added two each of Steve's mats under the CD player, the line stage and the amp, bringing the total up to three mats under each unit. Both Robert and I were completely blown away with the results.
Harry Pearson (HP) used to refer to "The Holy Grail." I think the system is getting close to that. Yes, I know there is even more noise to be removed ... but my God, how good can this get?
Look, I know there are those posting here who think I've over-hyped this product. As I was telling Steve on the phone ... if I were a more skilled wordsmith, I would be singing even more accolades toward this product. Its THAT good.
The bad news? The mats are cumulative. The more you use stacked, the better the effects. Expensive .... but worth it in spades. No joke.
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Tim,
Would a smaller Mat be better suited and/or recommend to be placed under a powerstrip, feeding the main and office system, even if the larger one is on the breaker panel?
Thanks,
rc |
Tim
When do you envision releasing the smaller size mat?
I would likely give 5 or 6 of them a trial so I could move them around to get a feel for most effect. |
@oregonpapa I do understand about EMF and RFI but what does the mat do though? 30 day money back guarantee is not much to me. I have exchange rates and associated loss, time taken to post, evaluation time to assess the product in my system, which I assume means to "use" it on each component to empirically assess any change discernible. even if I was interested, the whole exercise would be impractical. You say my opinions are not based on facts? What are the facts. I have not seen anyone posting facts. I am not basing any of my enquiries on emotion. What is there to be emotional about? Its a mat, which is an inanimate object. Why would I be emotional about that? I would go far enough to say is the mat supporters that are getting emotional. I have asked for information on what my USD$600 is going to buy me and what is its purpose, how does it work and some baselines so that I can verify for myself the metric of any improvement within my system. So far, I have been called by insinuation, a troll, miscreant, a person not to be associated with, emotional, negative, a naysayer, I have a screw loose. Very nice company you keep on this thread. I do have one question (amongst many that I know will not be answered), but how can you really tell what effect this Omega E mat is having on your system when there are so many "tweaks" you have already applied to your system? Objectively, you should be applying this product to a virgin system and measuring it's effect on different components which have not been already "tweaked". This question is not emotive, antagonistic, troll like etc. I would call it "enquiring" or "inquisitive". And I haven't called any one names. |
Reminds me of a Countries President; it's "fake news" if it is not agreeable to him. it's his way or the highway. I really did not think this was an exclusive thread rather than an inclusive one. But if I read back through the "tweak" threads, there are the same people, but walking and talking. |
I’m not even sure what to say to the last couple of posts. Odd human behavior to say the least.... |
@amg56
re: your 5:09 post Very well said. It seems that sometimes those who have a vested interest in the topic, in this case the promoters of the E Mat, do express emotional reactions to those who are skeptical or more importantly as you mentioned in your post, inquisitive. If someone expresses any skepticism, they project their emotions onto the inquisitor. Interesting psychological phenomenon!🤪
re: your post at 5:33. Please keep your political opinions to yourself. There has been a pretty strict understanding that we want to keep politics out of our hobby, away from this forum. We all need somewhere to go to get away from it! Thank you.
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I never found or cared for any power conditioner installed in my system. The mains transformer on the ground is about 40 ft from my breaker panel which is in my audio room. I treated the conduit coming up from the ground as well as the box that my meter is attached and the breakout cable that goes from that same meter box into my panel on the other side of the wall all with Total Contact.. Amazing difference but not as much as placing a Omega Mat on my transport and another on my preamp. This is what power conditioning should be all about...very impactful in so many ways. Tom |
Please no politics here. Please I beg. I hope this is one place to escape all that mess. |
@theaudiotweak
Including balanced transformers? |
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Pop quiz:
What the heck is in the mat? (Multiple Choice)
1. Crushed Tourmaline and quartz crystals
2. Quantum dots
3. Alternating layers of mu metal and Graphene
4. Buckeyballs
5. Higgs boson particles (God particles)
6. PWB Morphic Message Foils
7. Amber with fossilized prehistoric insects
8. Smart metal
9. Depleted uranium
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Amg56 ...
Thanks for your response, I appreciate it.
I don't believe that I have denigrated you in any way, and I won't. Ever.
As far as how I can tell how various tweaks work? I have two of the most sensitive meters on the planet ... the human ear. Both you and I can detect minute changes even in nature. Have you ever hunted small game? You can hear the tiniest, faintest, little rustle of brush. We as humans are tuned into that. Same with our audio systems.
The improvements afforded by both TC and the Omega E Mats are so significant that its easy to hear the difference. No problem at all. So, your suggestion of starting out with a virgin system really doesn't make sense. Its totally not necessary.
My comments on emotion vs facts is because you have no facts on this particular product, but you take an emotional stance against it. Why not just believe what others who've tried these products have to say?
As far as the rest of your questions regarding what goes into the manufacturing of the Omega E Mats, I haven't a clue ... so I'll let Tim Mrock step in here to see what he wants to reveal, if anything.
By the way, Steve Fleischer just left with his six mats. I'll wait for his comments about what he heard here at my home.
Take care ...
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Bill..no balanced power.
Omega Mat is like having a conditioner that takes up no rack space requires no AC power and no guici power cord.
It is portable so you can put it wherever you think it may work the best. You can take it to a friends house to demo..there is no muss no fuss..nothing to tear down and hook back up. Heck you dont even need to put it on Audiopoints to allow it to perform its best..I will try it under a cello decked out with my reactive devices. Tom |
@uberwaltz I have committed to a have website done by the end of this month. I will launch the card with the site. Not here to discuss my business plan, but being able to produce this thing in volume is a big concern of mine.
@resolution1 yes the power strip would be perfect for the cards, the mat is way to large, and the strip will benefit.
@amg56 I do have one question (amongst many that I know will not be answered),
but how can you really tell what effect this Omega E mat is having
on your system when there are so many "tweaks" you have already applied to your system?
I will answer it. regardless of the number of tweaks in a system, the power in both is not subjective. It is so strong there is no mistaking
it. Fact is, achieving a killer set up is lots of time and money regardless whether you use my products or not or in your words impractical.
You seem to want dismiss the honest testimonials of other members.
You have also glazed past my post earlier today, about the why I do not want to go into detail about the construction or why about my product in detail. Do you not care or respect that I want to protect my intellectual property and product? Sure seems that way. In lieu of my position I offered the money back return to offset the controversy. I hope you can see my point of view.
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Sounds good to me Tim
Best of luck with the website and the venture in general
I will be waiting.....
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@perfectpathtech It would obviously be foolhardy for you to reveal all that has gone into the R&D of the E-Mat. I would hope most of the sharp minded folks here get that. Being a strongly dominant left-brainer, I like to know as much as possible about a phenomenon so as to fully appreciate it's nature.
I think it was Frank who mentioned our ears as the test equipment for devices such as your's. I wholeheartedly agree. The ear-brain interface in humans still surpasses any measurement regimen IMHO.
Looking forward to seeing your site. |
@thaudiotweak Is if flexible? Do you put component feet on it or it on the component? (which may lead to overheating). Is it thick/thin/smooth? 12 inch square? I am stretching the information friendship, but nod if I am the correct direction, if it follows on from the other tweaks from the same source, it would be a progression of the TC enhancer, it might use the same material, over a larger area to utilize Graphene's properties to capture emissions of a component, grounding them? or redistributing the field evenly thereby smoothing the sound field? or floor? appearing to "lower" the sound floor by taking the strongest interference and diverting it elsewhere... Am I close? Without saying so? |
I just heard Frank’s audio system for the first time. He has the same speakers and CD player as I do, with a pair of Hallographs and 10 SR HFTs. Otherwise, our audio systems are different. I was enthralled with the dynamically robust, tonally colorful, rhythmically engaging, full frequency extension, fast transient and detailed presentation of music. We started with Yello-Touch, Ellington Jazz Party, Brubeck Impressions USA, Opera (Don Carlo), modern Pop vocal Allyson Round Midnight, jazz harmonica, guitar…a big serving of all types of recordings and music. The sound was outstanding, better than my system in detail and pace, lacking only in deepest bass since I have a slab foundation and he has a not too secure raised foundation (sucks the bass) and my room is about 3 times larger than his. There was that organ recital CD he put on that had really robust and tactile feeling bass. However, after removing the triple Omega E-mats from under the CD player, pre-amp and amp, the sound became less engaging, less dynamic. It still retained most of its beauty but having multiple stacked mats made a significant difference. Since everyone’s system is different (his Audio Research gear has thick aluminum chassis, my pre/phono and amps have thin steel chassis for one big difference) there could be a difference in how many mats are needed to achieve the result I heard at Frank’s . I stayed for a few hours despite the 100 degree weather because the sound/music was so engaging. I had only intended to listen to a few CD selections. I’ve only heard a few high end systems do what his does, maybe three per audio show and another in a friend's home. I credit the Omega E-mat for the difference. It was very obviously a huge benefit, as stacked in his system. Next is to test them on my system to see what a single mat per equipment/electrical panels does. |
