New Synergistic Product: Tuning Discs

@ozzy I actually appreciate your posting and do not see any hidden agenda on your part .Others may and I bet black helicopters are following them also.

Teds product can be controversial and that is where some of this negativity can be derived from.

As @perkri said earlier there was a post on Class D amps and the new amps from Atmasphere and Ralph chimed in. There was no outrage?

I like seeing manufacturers contribute but they should keep a low profile and make their intent clear.

That's ok cause the more people who WANT this thread to stay up chime in, IT WILL.

Thanks. I guess that is why I am concerned. This thread was actually taken down once by the Moderators. There is no advertising on my part.

Ted’s comments are essential to some of the questions posed. Such as when will it be available or cost? I don’t view that as advertising, just answering our questions.

ozzy

Oz(zy),

Please keep posting whatever you want. I enjoy your insightful trials of Ted’s product line. We need POSITIVE THINKING people like you here. It takes a little courage and a lot of gumption to stand up to internet bullies.

Remember this, the moderators ARE watching - the posters who come here for negativity to try and shut this thread down. Remember GeorgeHiFi?

oregonpappa/Frank RIP - would be proud!

in a sense a bizarre debate, considering it's about an inexpensive product almost no one has heard,  and that comes with full 30 day return privileges...I have always enjoyed ozzy reviews and comments...

I am sorry that the product is not yet available. I guess try it if you want to when you can?

ozzy

Not interested in mucking with my electromagnetic fields for reasons unknown so...

More power to those who are.

Man, some of you guys are pretty rough in your comments.

Yes, I was asked to try some of the prototypes, and I accepted. I have always been a tweaker and love a good experiment.

I’m sure if you look through my history of posts you will find that I post things I like and those I don’t. You could say I am an equal opportunity critique.

I am not one of those paid reviewers, and to me, this is the best way to inform others of products that should be tried. That is: from actual audiogon experienced members.

I get it that there are some who try to use this forum for their financial gain. I am not one of those!

As I have stated now a few times. Try them, or don’t, I don’t care.

ozzy

@jerryg123 

It is difficult to check these things out when not on the market yet, absolutely. Which makes the naysayers look even dumber.

And the marketing end of discussing it here, is nothing new. Many, many products are sent out for review and then discussed on this forum.

The difference is that Ted is directly participating in the discussion. There was a recent post discussing the new Class D amps from Atmasphere. Ralph chimed in to answer questions, which is as it should be. It’s a rare thing to have direct access to the designer of something and have them answer questions.

I didn’t see the public outrage over that I am seeing here.

Wonder why that is…

Guess the haters just love to hate. Especially when it’s something they know nothing about, right?

At it’s core, what is marketing at its best? It’s a tool to help educate the public on potential benefits of a given product. 

But, when people fail to accept that something might work, they let their ignorance fuel their anger.

@perkri kinda hard to try it when it is not even on the market.

Like I said earlier manufacturers will send out samples to people who will review it to create buzz.

I for one do not think this is the case here but here maybe suspect of the motives.

 Once again, all the same naysayers chime in without having tried the tweak.

This forum and many of you have helped me tremendously. I had been out of the hobby for sometime and when I was able to come back so much had changed. Less audio stores, YouTube reviews ect. Many of you steered me away from decisions that I am sure I would of regretted. In my younger days I was all about tweaks. Shameful to admit but I bought some green marker that you put on the side of cds lol. Literally it was a marker. I should of thought “if it makes a big difference why doesn’t  recording companies just darken the sides.” Not suggesting that this is the same type of product. However, the one thing you guys taught me was to spend my money where I would get the most enjoyment. This is subjective, I know but your general advice was something like “save money on x and go buy some nice recordings.” I still have to many recordings I would like to buy, so for me to spend money on tweaks, does not make sense. Everyone has different priorities, this I also learned in life and here. I will admit although it was not intended to be a product plug at the end of reading all the comments it felt like one. Just my 2 cents.

Ok.

Once again, all the same naysayers chime in without having tried the tweak.

Just because your limited experience prevents you from imagining a bigger and more complex universe out there, does not mean it doesn’t exist.

Until you have tried it, and find it doesn’t work, them you really should keep your traps shut.

Same crowd who will not accept a piece of gear can sound amazing if it doesn’t measure well. Insecurity prevents some people from being able to decide if the thing in front of them sounds good. They need to be told by measurements if it’s good.

Such ignorance combined with a sense of superiority. You do realize we are not powering  a lightbulb with a battery right? An audio system is just a tad more complex than that. 
 

If people where less on the influence of marketting publicity and more attune to acoustic method they will be no more subjectivistic consumers of ready made solutions or objectivistic nihilist... These 2 opposite disctinction make no sense in an acoustic tuning process where subjectivity and objectivity serve one another...

Then denouncing these products like someone just said even if they work is fanaticism...Not science...

And buying them and thinking all problem are solved is a delusion...

But acoustic is too complex for simple mind it seems...

There is place for everyone able to give information in audiogon even if he is a seller...If it is a gentleman... Why not?  If not a gentleman ..... Drop it....

Not saying I disagree and one can draw other conclusions from the content of this discussion…..I think Ozzie honestly was reporting his findings. I know manufacturers have sent advance product to members hoping for this type result. Creating a buzz. 
 

There should be no product advertising here. Instead we get people sponsored to show their products need to be in the advertising columns.

Adrian 🇦🇺

I agree 100%. I don't care if these things work or not that isn't the point.

I've mentioned this before and actually flagged this thread as being advertising. It's ruining this forum.

What a shame that we still see unscientific rubbish still populating what should be a clean and honest audio enthusiasts forum.

There should be no product advertising here. Instead we get people sponsored to show their products need to be in the advertising columns.

Adrian 🇦🇺

I surely hope so. Alfred Kainz from High End Electronics did not have any answer to this question, and did not know when they would be available for sale. Perhaps @ted_denney can clarify? Also Ted, when is the new Atmosphere SX Reference USB going to be released?

thyname,

When I asked Andrew at Synergistic Research about the price, he said they should sell for under $200 for 4 discs. But I guess he could be mistaken. They look to be really inexpensive, but I'm not aware of what went into it to create them.

ozzy

Are we sure there are four dots per package? Two purple and two gold dots for a cost of $199? This sounds like too good to be true 

Ted, I actually think it sounds better with the dots on the speaker cables at the amplifier end. Sounds more open to me.

gita, I think these will be released next week, but Ted will have to answer that.

ozzy

Thanks for the response @ozzy.  They sound very interesting.   I’m a firm believer in everything matters. 

Is there a "for sale" date set?

As jazzed as I am with the SR Purple fuses, I’m eager to give these Tuning Discs a try.

rocray, sorry, I thought I answered that question. Only one dot per interconnect, so 2 of them for a pair of interconnects. I have them placed at the source end. And in my case since I am running direct from Lumin X1 to my mono amps that is all I need.

At the speaker end, I have one per speaker cable so 2 more. So, a total of 4.

If you have more interconnects you can experience, I guess, by adding additional dots to each of them at the output point.

ozzy

rocray

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02-09-2022 8:49pm

Four to a box. Would you place all four on a pair of cables,input and output? Or two pairs of cables,input or output?  
 

let’s try that question again. 

Ted, Interesting, I will try them at the end of the speaker cables.

ozzy

@ozzy when using the Carbon Tuning Discs on your speaker cables, try them at the end of the speaker cable just before the Y going to your speakers. Interesting and different from what works best with Interconnects.

Ted Denney III— Synergistic Research Inc.

@jerryg123

Appreciate the response. It’s exactly what the vast majority of readers need to hear regarding trick-or-tweak … some subjective experience. Those who drink the Kool-Aid and claim every tweak works in their system regardless from whom is very questionable, regardless of “said” source. However, a trial period is the only truth settling fact from fiction in ones “subjective” world. Oh, and … never mind 😉

Edit: The XOT Carbon I’ve been eyeballing for quite the extended.time … good to know

I remember the WA stickers; I think I may still have a few. These are nothing like that. They are way more powerful in sound quality performance. Hard to explain but the sound becomes much more natural sounding.

You only need one per interconnect placed at the source end.

ozzy

Hi ozzy: How do these new Synergistic dots compare with the WA Quantum dots we were using a few years ago? The WA dots made my sound too forward and aggressive after a while.

Alternative products are out there  http://marigoaudio.com/z-dot-application/

Don't forget to put myrtle wood blocks under your speaker cables!

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Well if you can produce them, I can sell them.. How's that? :-) I hate raisin' cables to vacuum. there is more than one reason..

Regards

Four to a box. Would you place all four on a pair of cables,input and output? Or two pairs of cables,input or output?  I also am shocked at how many folks here tried a prototype product and didn’t care for them. Oh wait, that’s right,they really haven’t tried them,just interjecting an opinion.  I was always intrigued in tweaks,and wondered if they would really work. I recently experimented with a contract enhancer. I was blown away by the effectiveness.   People may think that something is silly,or crazy. However,if you haven’t tried it, in my book,you lose credibility from that point forward. Just my measly two cents. 

Thanks for the useful updates Ozzy am looking forward to trying them for myself.

Dan

So soon after I received the couple purple and gold dots, I asked SR if I could get a couple more to experiment with other equipment and combos.

Today, to my surprise I did get a couple more to try.

So, first off, I found that placement is important. Sometimes the purple works better but other times the gold is better. It really depends on the equipment.

I also tried adding a couple more to my 3m long interconnects, but I did not like it, the sound became too closed in. Perhaps too much of a good thing?

Then I tried them on power cords and there again, I also got mixed results.

So, I will have a lot more experimenting to do. At the moment, I like the gold on my interconnects and the purple on my speaker cables.

I guess the important thing is to try both the purple and gold and don't settle on one type too soon.

ozzy

Don't forget to put myrtle wood blocks under your speaker cables!

tomic60. They came with a little white sticky putty. I suppose blu tac would work also.

ozzy

@jerryg123 respect to you.

Ted Denney III— Synergistic Research Inc.

@ozzy How do the discs attach to cables ?

thx

Jim

@oldhvymec thanks. It was just a skirmish not a war.

gita,

I also own the purple fuses and the QSA red fuses for that matter.

I think these tuning discs will give you more bang for the money. It is an instant result, not something you have to let burn in or listen carefully to tell if it is doing something.

It is amazing to me that something so small can do so much. But it does in my system. I guess that is what prompted me to post this thread.

ozzy

@ozzy 

Hello and thanks for this thread. 

I know it may be hard to quantify, but can you compare these new tuning discs to the effects of the Purple fuse? I have two of the Purples and find them to enhance the entire audio checklist, particularly in terms of cleaning up and extending the high frequencies. 

Are the discs as impactful as the fuses?

Sorry to put you on the spot. Thanks again.

I accept your apology. AG is a great place for all to enjoy. I admit to being a Terrier and what ever it took to bring some sort of resolution..

My aim is Noble, my tactics can be pure GUTTER!! For that I apologize.

Be Well. Our war is over.

@ted_denney I will take your word for it and I apologize for any discomfort I may have created.

I am man enough to do that though @oldhvymec may beg to differ but I digress.

Again I will not disparage you any more and I will take down those posts that offended you if you will.

Social media can be a bitch and that is why this is the only place I participate in a forum or social media.

@jerryg123 for the record I did not “take a shot” at a nice guy on the spectrum. I responded to an abusive objectivist who was attacking me nonstop on Audiophiles North America on Facebook. The hit piece you referenced was compiled completely out of context. The same guy you are defending physically attacked me at the last AXPONA where police were called and security escorted him out of the building. I forget the guys name, but if I must I’ll find it. He’s notorious and on par with his internet buddy Ethan Weiner.

Ted Denney III— Synergistic Research Inc.

@ozzy I am willing to give them shot, though I did say I would not give Ted a dime of my money for his shot at a member here with Asperger. I am a principled man and  have several friends with kids on the spectrum.

It is only $200.00 and I will give them shot once released to the market.

Also have ordered the new Cable Elixir from the HF Cable fellas. Had the old juice and misplaced it...errrr!

jerryg123,

I am interested in what you think after you are able to try them. I think you will be surprised (impressed).

ozzy

@dabel . Sure SR Orange fuses, SR PHT and SR ECT.  also one that did work out was the SR XOT Carbon for my QLN speakers.

Again I am not a naysayer and I have an open mind.

It is remarkable the differences in each item (purple vs gold).

Both versions will have a place in my system.

ozzy

It would be good if they are also available in single color packs, for those who have a clear preference for one or the other.