My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


jays_audio_lab
Troll...Let me know when mixing a Luxman M-900U with a McIntosh C47 brings you 99% of whats possible.
@rsf507

Honestly, it was hard to tell what point you were trying to make, when you ended your post with "but.....". Also, as riaa mentioned, you said "others". You may not have intended it so, but it comes across that you want opinions from others, but not WC.
Yes, I’m sure the case work costs some dollars, but keep in mind that the price is still a good chunk lower than the Tonka truck built Xs amps. Some folks will love the look of the m400’s and will not mind paying a little bit extra for it. Once you get to the price point of s550’s or 750’s, many folks don’t mind paying a little more for the nicer looking wheels.

Dave
Don’t be so rude RIAA.

Almost everybody in this hobby wants to find gear that performs for less money. It is what makes this hobby so interesting. To build a very expensive sota system is easy. To build one half the price that gets you 99% there...is king.

Even WC does it when he talks about finding Odin 1 powercords on the used market, being a best buy for whats invested.
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@riaa REALLY! I never said I heard the amps, I don't play in this arena of $$$$$$ gear. I was just making an observation about how much the case work costs and nothing about it's sound quality which I'm sure is at the top. 
Mine was just an observation on m3, not a criticism. I’m still calibrating to the timing and flow, I suppose, as I recently just finished binge reading everything from the very beginning, and in doing so everything seems to happen instantaneously without regard to delays between posts. 
I do hope with start of YouTube that WC’s posting quality/frequency doesn’t trail off here. Little worried about that but understand only so many hours in a day. I’m partial to the thread, I guess
Obviously you have never heard them or you wouldnt make such an ignorant comment. Also...how do you know how much he has paid for ANY of his gear?
Just some thoughts from others on how much more you pay for the "jewelry" D'Agostino amp? Yes they are beautiful and give a pride of ownership but.....
Having owned both S550 and 750s, I can tell you they are quite different animals...they both do different things at a very high level, but their inherent weaknesses are as different as their strengths 
It’s odd that you’ve had the magico m3s for 10 days now and not a word about them. Are they that bad in comparison to Wilson?
Dan Agostino momentum m400s have arrived. I’ve been waiting on these for years.
Will Dan Agostino best Nelson Pass ?
Each xs300 draws 900 watts idling and the m400s draw 750 watts so both are not really far apart in power demands.
The m400 is certainly gorgeous and perhaps the most beautiful amps out there. The xs300s look like a Tonka truck that can take massive abuse and never quit. More industrial looking.
One interesting fact is that I’ve never read anywhere that a reviewer is using momentum m400s as their "reference " amp, but I’ve read a few reviews where the reviewer owned the xs300s as their reference amp.
At this level, I don’t expect either one to squash the other. It will be more about what each one does better than the other and figure out strengths and weaknesses. It's kind of like comparing a Mercedes s550 vs BMW 750. 
Are you all curious as well ? Stay tuned to find out.
@golfnutz, Very helpful - thank you. 1st time I've subscribed to something like this.
@keoliphant , when you click on WC's link, click on 'Show More' when you get to YouTube. He has the song information there (like many other people who post these types of videos) .

Music in this videoLearn moreListen ad-free with YouTube PremiumSongHigh Water Everywhere (Live)ArtistJoe BonamassaAlbumJoe Bonamassa Live from the Royal Albert 

@whitecamaross 
I can't believe I've been following this thread for over three years. I too have enjoyed watching your audio journey unfold. Keep up the great work be it here or the youTube channel (I'm a subscriber!). 

Can you share what track you're playing on video #2? I'm dying to see how it sounds over my humble system.
as far as music being played is concerned,how do you handle the copyright strikes that will,[or have]occured?Perhaps you might enlist the musicians following you for some copyright free music to bypass all of that?
Awesome. Looking forward to it as well any further impressions on the Odin 2s
So I still own the Odin 2 PC and it’s on my dcs vivaldi dac. I’m not sure about the Odin 2 speaker cable yet because the only one I have access to is 4m in length which means I will be paying for extra cable i don’t need. I need no more than 2m max.
I’ll be shooting the momentum m400 vs pass labs xs300 this weekend but that won’t be uploaded until later on. I want to add a few other videos before I upload that battle.
I am also going to be doing a "throwback" by bringing back an amp I’ve owned before. This amp will also be going to battle vs the m400s .
WC - what is status of Odin2 power cord and speaker cable? Did u have to return?  If so, do you expect to add more Odin2 one piece at a time this year?..
Talking about productivity, can you write or youtube about the Magico M3 ? 
All good. My humble readers are the ones that want you gone. I’m actually speaking out more to you because they have messaged me privately asking me  to address you so yes they don’t need the lack of productivity you bring to the table. 
Have it your way. Guess we will have to wait till you come back to your senses.
Don’t do it for me , but for the rest of your humble readers.  
Magico M3 ? 
Will you write about those Magico M3, or will you keep crying on me forever. Take a milky cappuccino, it will help you relax.
It’ s your thread , bring it back on course.
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Yyzsantabarbara,

In the old days, I read a book on stereo microphone techniques and learned some general principles.  In the end, though, I needed to do my own experiments and listen to my recordings in order to get the sound I wanted.  For example, the classic ORTF angle of 110 degrees didn't work for my trials on site as well as 90 degrees.  Depending on the musician positions and the limitations of space that I had, I would be flexible in mike distance and angles.  I came to prefer the directional soundstage precision of cardioid mikes versus the more popular spaced omnidirectional mikes.  Today, I would never go blindly by what some DSP program says is the "right" setting.  Nothing is set in stone.  I do the EQ by ear whether recording or listening to any recording.  We all know how blind "objective" specs don't really tell how a component sounds.
@Techno__dude

 I personally apologize for all of the horrible things I've thought about you lately.
Well sorry pokey77 if I offended you that much.
To all who feel offended by my overly critical posts. Do you think you can relax, drink a beer, and let this thread continue on topic. Or you need me to send some personal apologies by certifiied mail first ?

At least Viber has a break during this time...
@techno__dude

Not everybody? Well most for sure. If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all. We don't need a self-proclaimed truth detective here.
Not everybody, only some who like to be off topic and pollute the thread...
Ego still hurt because we have seen through the ´´ never offending friend’s reviews’´. Or maybe because some of us don’t agree with you the Alexia 1 being a great buy ?... Just relax, it’s audio , it’s a thread, some of us will challenge you sometimes.


The Magico M3, are they great ? You are a lucky person, we keep following you. I have even subscribed to your yt channel as you suggested.
OP harassment !! 
Come one guys, let’s get back to audio. Nobody interested to know how those Magico M3 compare to the Wilson ?
ron17234 posts
01-13-2020 3:54pmIt amazes me that some people don’t understand the difference between constructive criticism and constant criticism.
They understand the difference.
Some people have nothing better to do than try and wreck threads and harass posters.
viber6's comments about setting up mic got me to post the following link. 

https://www.amazon.com/Accurate-Sound-Reproduction-Using-DSP-ebook/dp/B01FURPS40/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ke...

I am going to create audio convolution files to use in my office to run with ROON. I am reading the following book to learn about audio recording, mic placement, etc... An easy-ish read and the author is well known on the Computer Audiophile site.

This info could be useful for someone doing YouTube videos. Darko.com also had a video about what goes behind the scenes when he records a YouTube video for an audio review. He talked about mics, placement, and other issues.


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Take your time, Rome wasn't built in a day.  Ramp it up as quickly or as slowly as you want to or as works for you.  It's your deal.  We're just giving some ideas.  Nobody expects it to be perfect overnight. If the content is good, word of mouth will kick in or eventually people will find it and sign up.  It'll take time.  Just have fun with it and don't put to much pressure on yourself to get to a certain point by a certain point in time.  If it's meant to happen, it will.  If not, hey, it's just a hobby anyway ...
chazzzy007,
Yes, the video quality is excellent on what you posted.  But the mikes are probably in the back of the room.  WC won't have show visitors, so he could place the mikes in the sweet listening spot, much closer, to obtain a more revealing sound so he could do more subtle A/B demonstrations.  It is possible to beat the big boys.
Cheer up, WC.  In 1995, I got into recording my small orchestra and ensembles of young pros I knew.  I wanted to prove to myself that I could capture more immediate sound than the big record companies.  I rented top microphones and microphone preamps over several weekends from Dream Hire in NYC.  I made a demo tape of my own violin playing at home using all this equipment plus my DAT recorder.  I listened to my tape to be sure that the Neumann KM184 and the Bryston mike preamp gave me the crispest sound I wanted.  Most important, when I did the actual live recording of ensembles, I had a simple modified ORTF configuration for the mikes, which were very close to the musicians.  No fancy mixing of many mikes or sound processing, except for my simple Rane EQ instead of the usual complex mixing board.  I  spent just a few thousand bucks on the critical stuff, and achieved my goal.  

You have the opportunity to do the recording your own way, just as I did.  The big boys went to audio engineering school which teaches standardized procedures but doesn't teach the kind of experimenting and tweaking that we do.  My recordings are more exciting than commercial recordings of the same piece, which I demonstrated to a friend on his system.  
Keep in mind that I’m being thrown in the fire against big time players. For instance:

OCD GUY: he’s a seller and a manufacturer and well
Steve Guttenberg: writer of magazines with tremendous network

AVshowreports: well the name speaks for itself

Pursuitperfectsystems: similar to AVshowreports

As of right now, I am nowhere near close to stand on the ground the walk on. They travel to shows , (Munich, axpona , CES, etc ), they write on certain publications plus they do this FULL TIME. I’m a one man operation with no free happy meals from McDonald’s. If I want to try it, I gotta buy it. Simple as that.

It is not as easy for me to keep up with others who do this around the clock plus the massive amounts of gear they have access to which for me is probably 20% of what they have access to. They can pick up the phone and call Jeff Rowland and have a product delivered at their door for next to nothing. Your guy, WSS here gets a brick in the mail instead. Let’s keep it all in perspective here. I am a goalkeeper in a soccer match and have zero offense or defense to help me stop the other 11 players from scoring.

I’ve got both feet planted on the ground and as of right now I need to slowly ramp things up as long as finances allow. I’ve got zero problem walking into best buy and buying a mic and tripod and whatever else I need to get but I need to see a decent amount of followers for me to step up my game. It will come but be patient as well. My wife is a graphic designer, video editor, website designer etc. She can easily edit some cool videos for me but I don’t want to bring her on board until I see enough of a supporting cast (meaning all of you ).

The only way you all can help me bring more gear that you guys want to see is by subscribing. That’s it. That’s the biggest lending hand you all can give me. Subscribe and ask your friends to subscribe as well. If you do your part, you got my word I will do mine and we will get something different than what’s out there. Something more personal where you can feel like the component you are thinking of buying is just around the corner from getting reviewed by me. That you can message me and have a personal relationship with me , etc. I want to do live Q&A sessions where we can all talk and learn. Maybe even give you more of a raw answer about certain components you want to spend your hard earned money on ?
My point is, I want to eventually bring more and more clarity and shorten your path to audio Nirvana while still staying true to myself which by the way it is extremely hard to balance the truth and reality of something while minimizing the backlash that might come if you don’t deliver the message correctly. 
Here’s another from @pursuitperfectsystems.

https://youtu.be/WeY59YE0fZk?t=1148

He’s even walking around a bit later in the video and never loses focus once. Even outside of the sweet spot and moving around the audio is pretty pristine, especially if you listen to it through a nice system.

Appreciate your efforts WCSS, but just making you aware of the competitors you will be trying to pull some viewership from.
Check out this video from @AVshowreports.
Video is crystal clear as well as the audio.

https://youtu.be/FGPqyqZRu-4?t=132

I thought I was watching 480P on yours WCSS when it was actually 1080P.
@viber6

Lot's of great live video on other reviewers with similar channels to @whitecamaross 's. That's why we suggested the mic and camera upgrades. Lots of people are gonna watch in hi-def on their systems including me.

There are surprisingly good recordings and audio from the most popular audio/video channels.
I'm not quite sure that my video quality isn't good though. I shot it with the Galaxy note 10 which does 4k hdr videos. Someone above posted that my first video came in 4k but you all need to also select this setting on youtube. It is not automatically selected by default so be sure to select the 4k quality. 
Ask far as the audio, I will look into this further. 
WC,
Almarg presents useful info.  I can't remember any youtube video with great sound quality, so you could make a splash by presenting great sound quality.  For me, your video quality is good enough, so I would spend most of the money on condenser mikes and a better recorder.  I got lots of help from B&H like Almarg, but there may be a Sam Ash store near you which is also dedicated to pro audio and video.
@whitecamaross 

@almarg 's advice is sound.
Spend just a bit right now on the right recording equipment and the videos will be much more enjoyable for all.