My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Speaker 1 has more bite and IMO more musical. Bass on speaker #2 a bit lacking. 
pokey77,
Thanks for your TAD M2500 mention.  This should be of interest to many people here, including WC, as a SOTA contender.
This is a side question, but which class D amps has WC reviewed over the course of this thread (outside of his initial, very first posting where he listed like 30 amps, some of which were class D, but I think most/all of which were surpassed in his opinion by the later stuff (ie, stuff since first post))? 

I remember Rowland 925's and Bel Canto Black, and he seemed to really like both at the time.  But I'm struggling to remember any others.  Anyone remember, or were those two the only class D?
Oh, forgot that one. Got a gold, silver and bronze ranking on your preferred SQ for those three (with caveats that you had them at different times with different equipment, but you are experienced and can probably extrapolate), and in particular which perhaps come closest to your preferred non-class-D amps? (if it’s not asking too much, some of us are class D fans and cool to see how you stack them up since many of us haven’t owned any of those three, let alone all three). I don't think this specific class D comparison question has ever been asked of you.  Thanks!
This thread is like Star Trek voyage, never ending and discoveries of new things - Fantastic...!
Speaker #1 sounds more detailed and accurate. #2 is smoother and probably less fatiguing. I'm guessing #1 is the Wilson and #2 Dynaudio.

Could it be the 1st speaker clip is really DAC direct to amp and #2 is through the preamp same speakers? lol
Speaker #1 more "vivid", sound less homogenized, more sense of the recording space (even if this was created artificially).
@ron17 - I don't think either is using the preamp since its display is flashing through the entire video which indicates it's set in mute.
#1 is more forward sounding , Bigger bass, Very Dynamic, & more Raw or REAL sounding. #2 is nice but Bass is less prominent Speaker is more polite and refined giving a smoother sounding . #2 is also less dynamic .
I say #! is Wilson Sasha DAW
#2 is Dynaudio Confidence C4
I cannot say which is which. Both sound incredible with highs to die for. Luxman M-900u has godlike highs for sure. Clarity is astonishing, thanks to the « minimalist / no additional contacts » dac to amp direct connection.

WC also tried briefly the Rowland M535 stereo, which  runs in classD. M535 is best as a bridged pair.

Saluti, G.


Got it.  Ok WC, how about a platinum, gold, silver and bronze ranking of those 4 class D contenders???  (Last time I'll ask if you aren't into ranking them)
Fun test, but the speakers are loading the room differently due to their location differences so not an equal opportunity test, lol but it seems like 2 has deeper bass...but something about 1 seems subjectively more pleasing.
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Sorry if this has been answered before, but what is the recording chain for the videos ?
Over my laptop speakers, #1 is more linear. #2 the vocals seem exaggerated. I'd choose #1 easily. My mileage may vary if I could have listened on my rig.
Ok you all have had AMAZING feedback on this video. I am uploading a video about my findings.
I suggest you all read the comments that have been left on YouTube about this video. 
Ok guys
I want you all to crank your systems today and listen. I want you all to tell me what are your db levels. Let’s try to see WHERE we all listen at.
81 - 88dB but will crank it to 90-95 at times. I'm 107.59" away laser measured (it's how I measure distance from each corner of speaker to center of listening chair for accuracy). Using an original Radio Shack sound level meter. 
Anyone else ? Let's go. Everyone post your db levels. Listen to your music today and measure. 
75db to 80db, for Jazz and Classical. 

Average 80db with peeks up to 85db for Rock, Pop, Bluegrass...

I play my music a little louder with my Vinyl front end, as opposed to my Dac. 
Generally, 78 - 83 dB with C weighting Slow response on Radio Shack Meter.  When things are cranked up, peaks maybe 88 - 91 dB.  Listening position is at the apex of  a triangle, ~10-12' on a diagonal to either speaker.   
@whitecamaross 

40s to 50s with Toy Matinee playing just now. Usually 50-60db and a good bit louder when no one is home. I just checked and have had a 68db peak while playing Impossible Germany by Wilco at maybe moderate levels.

I just coughed and that was a 79db peak.
Most of my listening is to classical music. Average levels tend to be in the mid-70s. Brief dynamic peaks on many orchestral recordings tend to be in the low to mid 90s. Brief dynamic peaks on a few recordings having exceptionally wide dynamic range (e.g., Stravinsky's "Firebird Suite" on Telarc; Prokofiev's "Romeo and Juliet" on Sheffield Lab) reach close to 105 db.

Measured with a Radio Shack digital SPL meter set for C-weighting and fast response, at my 12 foot listening distance.

Regards,
-- Al
 
Awesome feedback guys. Anyone else ? Please listen to your system before you put your numbers here. 
Can’t sleep, just mesured wife snoaring. 34 db , sure feels like 108 db 😄
@techno_dude
That’s Hilarious\.
Are you going to let her know that you posted this ?
I’ll bet NOT !
I don't know how to measure the loudness in db numbers, but my volume is dependant on numerous situations.  If my wife goes out for walks and friends, then I have a free period to play music as I want it which could be described as loud.  Also depends what music I am playing (I listen from Classical to Rock, all other types of music from around the world), if its emotional and I have had some alcoholic intake then the volume goes to high as 95 (My volume goes up to 100).  If my wife is in the house then the volume usually cruises at 50 -60 but if its music she loves, she uses put the volume up to region of 75 - 85.
Ironically - the first time I invited my wife to my home, I got a request to help my neighbor "rescue" his son from a car accident and my wife (then new girlfriend) stayed in my home when I left. When I returned about 35 minutes later (his son was fine - minor fender bender), she was listening to my stereo (at that time, a Threshold FET 10E pre, Theta Data transport & Gen Va dac, Pass Aleph 0's amp, Aerial 10T speakers - all electronics having to be turned on manually). I asked if she turned on the music and she casually said yes . . . . 
I'm fortunate that my family grew up with and enjoys music, so when I decide to listen - music is played back at live levels. My family sometimes listens with me - spontaneously (though I'd like them to listen more on their own). So - playback volume isn't affected by who is home (I mostly listen at night).
Since our room and speaker aren't grand, smaller well recorded acoustic venues are reproduced best. Our calibrated Quest Technologies digital sound level meter (we have a certified calibration tone generator) peeked at 104 db when I last checked my notes and while these peaks are loud (our room is acoustically treated pretty well) music typically ranges from 75 db to 95 db. 
Important to note, with a good system, nothing is fatiguing - otherwise it wouldn't be an enjoyable experience and it actually would be quickly annoying.
I enjoy piano (very difficult to record and play back well but when captured naturally - is amazing / beautiful), contemporary jazz, natural vocals - almost anything well recorded. Even orchestra performances - they're just not as convincing. 
With a degree in music performance and playing live music for years in my teens, 20's and 30's I have played / heard a lot of loud music. I damaged my left ear around 20 years ago and now have to be carful of the volume I listen to now. I built a low distortion very detailed system that sounds great at low levels. I listen daily to levels in the 60's with peaks into the low 70's. I learned that the ear adjusts to the level listened to daily.  

So many musicians have acquired tinnitus, hyperacusis and have gone deaf from the constant exposure to high volume / levels of music.....Have fun and be safe.
AVG 80-85db[downloaded a DB app a few years ago]
Sometimes,usually involving Scotch ,90ish Db
Hmm
Rowland 735s Monos are shipping now...finally he is doing class AB on his top amps so will this rowland be the new game changer??  Is it in my room??? Will I be the first person to have this amp in his possession (outside of dealers )? 
Stay tuned...you never know...
What do you mean finally, the previous 725 is class AB, yes the 8 and 925 are class D but you cant say finally on his top amps when the previous model your speaking of is also class AB.

Ya we know you had the 925 sometime back but did you really let them break in fully before moving on.
Ok so I am now quite curious to know the following:
How far are you from your speakers and how far apart are the speakers ? 
First - thank you ron17, as I read your response I honestly panicked!!! I will certainly be more aware of volume going forward - hearing loss isn't what I'd like to have as I get older.
Our speakers are ~ 9 3/4' apart and we sit ~ 11' away from them.

Hello @whitecamaross, little is known about the Rowland M735 mono as yet, except that it does in fact run in class A/B.


I will post here links to features and specs as soon as I receive them from the factory.


Saluti, Guido 


My Joseph Audio Perspective 2 speakers are 7’ -4” apart and 9’ - 10” away from my listening position. 

Listening to Frank Morgan’s - Listen To The Dawn at 65db, according to the Decibel X Pro iPhone app. 
All-
IF POSSIBLE, try creating an equilateral triangle with your speakers and just listen...you'd be impressed how much better things get when doing so. If you have the space , get closer to your speaker until you form the perfect triangle. Let me know your findings 
My speaker are about 80 inches (6 feet 8 inches) center to center
I sit about 8 feet 6 inches away.
I tried my db meter and it seems that I usually listen critically about 85 db with peaks close to 100. When i really turn it up it is closer to 90 with peaks to about 104- 107.
If I casually listen it might be closer to 80db with peaks around 87-90
I only measured the db with iPhone free app so dunno how accurate- probably not very...  seemed pretty loud so I expect I got a low reading 
It would be pretty difficult getting closer however I had them 9.5' wide for a long time but I felt the vocals and instruments within the soundstage where not defined enough so I moved them in to 8.5'. Everything sharpened up and became more clearly defined....I also point the speakers almost directly at the listener....so a big toe-in.
Just wanted to be the 10,000 th post.  Lol.  Thanks for the journey although the level of amplifiers is now above my pay grade.