Could there be a broken ground connection inside the jacket of one of your ICs?
My Impossible hum issue.
I have done everything that I have read about ground loops without success. My system is on an outlet that goes directly to the main panel with nothing else plugged into this circuit. None of the usual suspects are in this room like TV, radio, appliances or flourecent lighting. When using any other source other than the turntable, the system is dead silent. The turntable is on a wall mount turntable shelf. The speakers are on stands. This hum is only present when the turntable is the source. The hum is much louder with a MC cartridge than a MM cartridge. The hum is present when connected to an external phono preamp or the internal phono preamp of the my system preamp. I have tried every combitnation of grounding and not grounding. Whether or not I plug into the wall outlet or power conditioner/surge protector the hum persists. I beleive that I have tried everything except a different turntable. I have made sure power cables, speaker cables and interconnects don't cross each other. I've tried everything except moving to another state or hiring an exorcist.
I have tried movig the ground wires using one from the turntable to both preamps and just one or the other preamp or no ground at all. I have been using an upgraded interconnect cable (Pangea turntable cables with integrated ground wire) and not the one that came with the turntable. The turntable is a Technics SL-100C (essencially the same as the SL-1500 without the built-in preamp). I can hear a sound if I tap on the on the tonearm...maybe there is something wrong there. My control preamp is a Parasound Halo P 6 and the phono preamp is a Parasound JC3 JR. I realize I have budget gear, but I don't think that's the problem. I appreciate the input. Thank you. |
Also, you haven’t ruled out an internal break in an IC wire, most likely the phono cable but could be elsewhere, that interrupts grounding. To check that just insert some cheap alternative ICs in place of what you’re now using. For one, try the Sony supplied phono cable. Like Russ suggested also check cartridge pins, internal tonearm wires, and joint between headshell and arm wand. Is it tight? |
I dug-out the cheap cables that came with the turntable--including the power cable. Replaced the Pangea Audio phono cable and power cable. NO MORE HUM!! I can't beleive it. Even at the highest gain setting--no hum. The phono cartridge is a Zu/DL-103 Mk.II. Everything sounds great, now. Thank you to all who weighed-in on my problem. |
So now figure out the difference between the cables that work and the ones that don't. Probably in the way they are grounded. And then you can order upgraded cables that don't hum. Audio envy has offered cables with versatile grounding systems and I think they are pretty good at customer support. Other cable makers are too. Congrats. Jerry |
Sometimes a professional with a multi-meter and an oscilloscope is the best answer. It's okay to admit, i have a son that's too busy doing this stuff because of people like me. Just because it has to be said, and I don't believe that anyone else threw this out there, it could be a Dinah-Moe-Humm. If so, contact Frank Zappa. I laugh deeply now, as a totally nerded Zappa fan. |
Your cartridge is acting like a microphone and if its MC then its being amplified much more by your phono pre-amp than if it were a MM. Move your turntable further away from your system and the hum will reduce. Also, move your RCA cables from the TT away from any other cables including AC power cords. |
More to the point, you might contact Pangea or your vendor and ask for a return authorization, on the basis that their ICs seem to have an internal short circuit on the ground side. By "internal" I mean that the issue probably is inside the insulating sheath or outer cover OR it's at one end where the wire is soldered to the ground side of an RCA plug. (It's unlikely to have been a problem with an AC cord; in that case you would have no power to the TT.) |
I noticed you're using the same preamp I have (Parasound P6). I have likely missed other messages prior to those I just scanned. Tell me, did you try simply using the phono stage in the P6 rather than your separate phono amp? No compelling reason to I suppose but that's likely an easy check. I have no reason to be optimistic but the head shell comment may have merit. Best of luck.
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Congratulations to the OP on solving the problem. I am going to commit audiophile heresy and suggest that he leave well enough alone and go with the stock cables. Perhaps he can do research into the company that makes the stock cables and see if they offer higher end cables that use the same basic design. I am curious as to why the hum is worse with mc cartridges. |
+1 @speedthrills @lewm these sound reasonable possibilities. In addition to tonearm wiring @russ69 . Turntables can be maddening contributors of hum. I’m dealing with an issue right now on a vintage Thorens where by it only hums in the cue up position; after the record is played. |
Do you have a digital processor? If so, that likely is the issue. It was for me. Drove me batty until I figured it out....Use a cheater plug on the power cable and that will be the end of the hum. Amazon also sells a hum manager plug but it costs $87. But it too works. You could try cheater plugs elsewhere too. |
The problem was solved by changing the phono cable, which was a left/right channel and ground all within one assembly, with the stock cable and ground wire that came with the turntable. The stock cable eliminated the hum. I had tried cheater plugs on the turntable, phono preamp, and control preamp in various combinations. My non-scientific conclusion is the phono cable was the cause! Thank you for all the input and I have increased my budget to $200+ for new cable and will make sure they are returnable. |
I had a Revox linear tracking TT with a persistent hum issue. Because of very limited space in which to relocate it, I got this item on Amazon:
Electriduct 1/2" Tinned Copper Metal Braid Sleeving Flexible EMI RFI Shielding Wire Mesh (0.32" Diameter) - 25 Feet
It's a braided metal sleeve that you can slip over the IC. it ended up solving the hum issue...at least in my case. |
@adamsrpm I'm brand new here and I thoroughly enjoyed your post and am so glad your problem is fixed! ✌️ I'm learning so much in the forums. Thanks everyone. 😀 |
OP, read your post and I have experienced a similar issue (and commented on it before) with TT/LOMC and hum/hiss in background. I know how frustrating this was for me, and feel your pain. My problem was caused by my wireless router and likely poor insulation on my ethernet cable to my streamer. I was at the same height and about 6 ft away from my TT. When I disconnected and it totally, the hum went away. I relocate the unit to the floor about 20 ft and haven't looked back. If someone has already mentioned this as a possible fix, my apologies for not reading through the posts. |