Most “disappeared” speakers.

I heard the MG30.7 at my local high end store's "Music Matters open house in March 2018. Pretty dang awesome. I never heard any Tympanis. I had a co-worker who had a pair, but I never made it over to his trailer. That's right, he had a pair of Maggie Tympani IVs and lived in a trailer park.

@johnnyb53, have you heard the new MG30.7? Oh, baby! How 'bout the old Tympani T-IVa?

shkong78 wrote:

You can try out Magnepan LRS with generous 60 days return policy.

Planar speakers are known for disappearing act.

Boy, did I learn that when I brought home a pair of Magneplanar 1.7s in Nov. 2013. 5-1/2 years later they are more stunning than ever. I recently put on Holly Cole’s “Temptation” LP and the resolution, dynamics, and imaging were all stunningly mesmerizing. I have some Acoustic Sounds remaster/reissues that put the artists (e.g., Nat Cole, Diana Krall Trio, Count Basie, Frank Sinatra with Basie or Nelson Riddle, etc.—take your pick) right in the room.

The Maggie 1.7s combine nearly massless dipole diaphragms with 924 sq. in.  (per pair) vibrating surfaces. These are vibrating surfaces that approximate the areas of piano soundboards and the spruce tops of celli and bass viols, all with radiating patterns that approach those of the instruments themselves.

@select-hifi 

‘hole’  ?? Huh? 

Horns
single driver 
concentric driver
wall mounted
sealed box
ported box
isobaric configured
line array 
omnidirectional 
line transmission 
AMT based


I’m sure I’ve left some out

I have a set of Dahlquist DQ10s with two Dahlquist Subs, that I have upgraded here and there along the way  These speakers were always noted for their sound staging and disappearing. 

These speakers can even do sounds that can move around the room . . . even passing, in its illusion, right through your head. I bought them used back in the 80's and still have them today.

The omega super alnico without any crossover is a nice choice for a disappearing speaker. 

With a sub and low watt single ended amp it is sublime. 

In that price range new and used you have a lot of choices in vanishing speakers. I was lucky enough to find a pristine pair of Maggie 3.7, sent them back to Magnepan for a total refresh and they emerged as the lastest model the 3.7i all for less than $4K.
Just be aware that the more transparent a speaker is the more it will reveal the shortfalls in your sources and supporting equipment. 

Lx521. Sound field is wide and realistic 

Electrostats combined with a good sub - sublime. 

OB’s, aka Open Baffles, aka speakers w/o a box design. Combined with 2 subs and a low watt tube amp, very tough to beat for quality sound on a reasonable budget. 

very true about ESL's.  one way around dynamic point sourcing is by using multiple active speakers.  4 beolab 3's with a beolab 2 work extremely well in this regard in one of my rooms.  not so easy or achievable with passive speakers, unless they are hybrids with some ESL component

Nice, give a listen to vimberg mimo and other model...i dont think you can find better for 30k. He has a bookshelf that isnt completed yet, coming out...its already pre sold its first run. 

I bought a pair of Vienna Acoustic Beethovens, rosewood finish, store demos from tweeter around 2004 and 10 years later I decided to upgrade my speakers and sold the VA's first were the R107/2, then the F52's then the salon 1's then the VA strauss then the salon 2's then the usher be-20 dmd's...and finally I went back to a used pair of VA Beethoven's! All the speakers did some things better but at the end of my search for the holy grail of loudspeakers I found out I was really lucky when I stumbled onto the beethovens.

When you get a chance try this. Blind fold yourself and have someone guide you towards a dynamic speaker. You will know right away when you are right on top of it. Do the same for any full range ESL and you will walk right into the speaker. 

Oh and Andy is right....on both counts.  The room is everything.

Ohm 5000; lots of power behind them; don’t be afraid of adding a sub.

My most wide soundstage speakers were the old Bose 901s. Distance from wall and more importantly wall material are critical however. I had an apartment with brick wall (3 deep) separation and the sound was magnificent. Moved to a house with drywall and I couldn't sell them fast enough. My message: Room is everything. Good luck!

From all the speakers that I have heard it is usually the monitor speakers that do the disappearing act best. The less MDF to rattle around the less the speakers reveal themselves. I like the Chapman speakers sound good, they are transmission line speakers and the usually cabinet rattling bass rear waves have an escape route that seem less obvious then sealed or ported. 

My Reference 3A MM de Capos. Sweet!

If you'll consider used think about Thiel ,
read the Thiel Owners thread ( over 6,000 ) and see how much praise they receive from the owners , myself included .

Egglestonworks Emma Evolution is a great speaker. Vandersteen Treo will blow you away. Martin Logan ESL-9 is quite spectacular. I am a dealer for these. The most important person is you. It's your money, couch and taste...Happy listening.

Hi 
if You can find a pair of Avalon eclipse 
set up properly 
all  you will hear is the music 

Have you tried Reference 3A? I have the Grand Veena and love them. The reason I bought them:  Harry Pearson listened to them and gave them a good review. Their web site is:

http://www.reference3a.com/

Service is excellent - I have had a driver blow out. It was replaced promptly and at a very reasonable price.  And they are relatively easy to drive.

Long gone - Fuselier, Fuselier, Fuselier

Spatial audio M3 turbo s. 

I still use BW 801 series 2 and I have huge soundstage,but as mentioned in prior posts,set up time and rooms make a huge difference.Also have Roger's Studio 1m speakers and they also disappear quite well.Let's not forget the Amp, pre-amp set up that also makes that happen and what content you are listening to. All parts make the magic happen.

Dynamic drivers: Bowers Wilkins 703 S2 and 704 S2 , somewhat hi-fi ish sounding in most set ups but nonetheless are at least superb.... Nothing comes close at their price, up to the Rega Rs 10 at 13 grand and the B& W 803 D3 at 18 thousand .... They do take time to break in thou... at least 500 hours , but are fantastic .....
Rega RX-3 is great at $2 grand, as is Dali Epicon 2, simply superbly musical stand mount loudspeaker, I think they are 6 thousand new, but I ve seen them here in mint condition at around 3500-4500, also worth asking for a discount when buying new&demo units... The B&W 805 D3 (you can haggle with a dealer and get them new with about 20-25% discount off of their $6500 price tag, as I ve done for a friend of mine) will do a disappearing act like few are able. Very refined sound, especially if you have large library of classical works and know what live music sounds like....
Gradeint Helsinki 1.5, these may wow you, but are an acquired taste, which few  audiophile possess these days, with their penchant for boom and TSIK, and other pyrotechnics passed for "detail" and "transparency"...
The Eminent Tech 8bs at $2500 (plus $ 250 for almost required Sound Anchor stands) are one of the best speakers at any price, but they need lots of room away from walls (at least 3 feet) to sound their best (which is unlike anything you will hear at any price with good amps and proper bi wire cables).... But they are tall, somewhat massive columns, hardly WAF prize winner ;) however after listening to them pretty much everything else sounds sounds like a second carbon copy of music ....

ESS AMT 

Dynaudio, Proac, Harbeth. Setup and room are super important 

Omnidirectional speakers

Joseph Audio speakers disappear and image with the best of them.  I also like ProAc and Vandersteen for these reasons, but there's just something special in this regard from JA speakers.  Also agree Audio Physic speakers excel in this area, and Avalon speakers also impressed me in this regard.  I think Verity Audio and Gershman speakers are also very good in these areas as well. 

My $250 used and vintage Spica TC50 monitors speakers.  Wonderful in this regard. 

Most high-end speakers will disappear in a proper room. Monitors more so than floor standers.

You need to master set your new speakers regardless of what you buy.

I would highly recommend buying Salk Audio's Song3 Encore tower speakers.  Jim Salk sells direct.  He can then afford to build his speakers with the highest quality drivers.  The song3's deliver a bass extension of 25 HZ and are just incredible.  I will upgrading to these within the next two years.  I would suggest calling Jim Salk to discuss what speakers he would recommend for your space.  He is one of the most knowledgeable people in the industry and he is extremely honest.  Tell him Larry Edwards sent you.

In your price range, Martin Logans.

Harbeth P3esr 40th anniversary with a good sub and near field listening has been what's floating my boat lately. Steve Guttenberg says they disappear more then almost any other speaker he's heard, he comments on them all the time on how good they are.

EASY-PEASY:  Anything Magnepan SET-UP correctly with quality electronics.  (You only hear what you enter into them, good or bad.)

RE: poster who suggested horn speakers.  PLEASE listen to ANY properly set-up horn speaker next to a set of properly set-up Maggies of pretty much any era.  You may not change your mind, but I kinda think you will.  Be sure to listen to your favorite music on both.

Cheers!

Linkwitz Lab LX Mini
www.linkwitzlab.com 

Boenicke W5 can do this well. Also have impressive bass för being so small. 

I agree that Audio-Physics are also good at this.

I am chuffed to bits with mine an ex dem pair of Piega Classic 40.2. Superb ribbon tweeter which just gets the music right. I use these with valve amplifiers which really assist with the staging. Prior to these I found Living Voice did a reasonable job. However the Piega also pass the wife test which is important. 

I second georgehifi’s comments on Audio Physics and ESL’s.   I own ESL (X-Static) and the only other speaker I’ve heard that comes close and is musical is the Audio Physic Tempo Plus.

Also, agree that the room, placement, equipment, cabling, source all matter as you are listening to a “system” not any one Componenet.

A good bet is for the speaker to be time aligned and put in the room so as not to screw up the phasing.

Agreed that almost any, or most decently designed speakers can "disappear."  Though some do it much more readily and successfully than others.

Apogee Duetta Signatures...or pretty much any Apogee. If you cand find them.

+1 prof. Mbl or music culture. 

2+ Georgehifi. 

My current system with Lansche 4.1 also disappears although it is well beyond OP’s budget.

I agree with everybody that combination of front end, amplification, cables , room treatment and placement play in 3-D imaging or disappearing act.

But in general, planar speakers have advantage in wide and deep soundstage with disappearing act.

I recommend OP to try out Manepan LRS without any subwoofer whether it satisfy your need.

It may not rock but will be good for classical music or Jazz.

If you like LRS but if you want more dynamics or bass, then you can go for upper model or add subwoofer on it.

I also recommend OP to spend half of budget on digital front end or amplification.

Lyngdorf 2170 is very useful as DAC, D class int or pre amplifier and active crossover.

The new price starts from 4K$, but you can get used one around 3K$.

I wish you luck.

Thomas

+1 (again) to all those commenting on setup/placement.   

I agree with br3098 and Douglas Schroeder. Attention to details, such as proper room set up, and any speaker can do a disappearing act. 

Ohm Sound Cylinders will embarrass all the touted, expensive box speakers! Expansive, room-filling 3-D sound. Beats Magneplanars! An astonishing speaker - I have a pair! Sadly not given any love from the snob-appeal crowd. Maybe if they came in a black-chrome finish and sold for $50K the high-rollers would covet them!