BTW what is the deal with this Raul...guy? Every time I see his posts they hurt my brain with an acerbic obtuseness and opacity that riddles my soul!
Looking for my Final Pair!!
Been through the high end maelstrom for over 30 years and although I have enjoyed the ride, I desperately want to find speakers that exude dynamics, tone and presence. I want to be transported to the Village Vanguard where The John Coltrane Quartet are performing any night I desire. I want to feel the timbre of his sax 🎷. When I close my eyes I want to be enveloped by the atmosphere of the space and awash with the impact and emotion being expressed by the musicians. I don’t want to hear what the engineers hear after they mix a recording...I want to be in the studio when the tracks are being laid down! So far, Tannoy Heritage Arden have come to my attention, Klipsch Cornwall IV’s, JBL S4700’s or perhaps Spatial Audio X3’s? Help
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Well, all I can say is that my jaded ears have not heard a re creation of a piano quite like what I’m hearing through the Klipsch Cornwall IV’s! HOLY MOTHER OF GOD...the piano is there...visceral, tonally perfect and dynamic;)). Just so freaking real sounding and with realistic soundstaging as well. Playing Rochberg piano music vol 2 with Evan Hersch, pianist on Gasparo Label. Not even broken in yet...uhh, astounding!!! |
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Dear @dave_b : ""
You cannot pick out the exact placement of any instrument. In fact, soundstaging is mostly non existent as well. """ And now you are looking for " that extra dimensionality and sparkle. "" In a home system I understand that the dimensionality is part intrinsecal to each one room/system and the quality levels of the system ( specially electronics/speakers. ) frequency extremes and here comes or not that sparkle you are talking about. Are the harmonics developed in the play proccess what defines it. Again, bass range is with out doubt the key down there. R. @roxy54 : "" that is between the two of us. "" absolutely not if both of you are indirectly reffering to me. This is a public forum not a private one. |
Ah, the mighty Bozaks! One of my all-time favorite speakers that I've owned were the Bozak B501 Concerto VII's....very smooth with a fabulous midrange. Wish I still had them. They were great for all types of music, but were especially good with large orchestral types. Actually, in their heyday, many orchestras used Bozaks to augment their sound. I remember back in the 70's being at a concert at the Hollywood Bowl where oodles of Bozaks were lined up above the sound stage. If you want to try to replace your midrange, it's a model B209 8 ohm. They can be found occasionally on eBay, |
Raul, I made my position clear to you in previous posts. I have never claimed to be an engineer, or any sort of authority, quite the opposite in fact. However, I still stand by what I said concerning measurements versus perceived sound quality. One does not necessarily predict the other. Concerning what Ralph said to me and my response, that is between the two of us. |
Dear @roxy54 : ""
these ridiculous arguments... """ Really?, what is ridiculous is that you post that kind of statements when till today you don't posted any single argument or facts that can tell us why my arguments all over this thread are ridiculous and you did not because you have any due to your very low knowledge levels in those main subjects. First you need to have first hand experiences, learn and then maybe you can come back and show your knowledge levl up date becaus til now you showed very low levels. atmasphere is an active part of that corrupted AHEE ( where we all belongs. ) that impedes you can grow up. He belongs to the deep " dark side " of that AHEE. He always fail to hit me no matter what. There was no need to post what he posted to you in reference to me and even that he did ( with out reason. ) it and said I'm a troll: go figure ! . Frustration down there, pity. R. |
Soooo...decided to keep my Krell K300i!! Hooked it up and....really nice and detailed but no odd harmonics or anything abrasive. This is gonna be a great match when the Cornwall’s settle in:(). They seem to eat the power up almost as much as my B&W802D3’s did 😳If you aren't hearing all those "distortions' that Raul was going on about, you need to listen harder. I'm sure you'll hear them eventually........... |
@m-db While I've had no desire to replace the speakers, that is because I've not heard anything better. But I did get them updated in that time- dual woofers, new crossover and field coil drivers.@roxy54 If you don't have some goat meat handy its a good idea to not feed the troll. I've tried that and it never ends well. |
No suggestion. ["Atmasphere, But seriously I've been running the Classic Audio Loudspeakers model T3 for the last 22 years and while I did get them updated, I've felt no desire to replace them."]Never heard his speakers but I stumbled onto this lack of desire not to replace after years on the merry-go-round. My speakers always seemed sleepy at shows and in stores. It wasn't until I had a pair at home and in just a few days I realized I wasn't listening to my system anymore. I wish I could describe the presentation without the subjectivity. Its been seventeen years for me. I guess you'll just know. All the best. |
Do you know where used the paper on oil and paper/wax capacitors?, were used in the home radio capacitors in the 40's and 80 years latter appears in the boutique caps that are only snake oil/BS parts. Obviously that Wima, Kemet or Vishay does not use that kind of folly design that audiiophiles love it. Btw,, it does not makes sense that an electronics manufacturer touted exotic parts/cost no object when the recording signal durinf playback must pass in that electronic items through " hundreds " of m. of wire inside those transformers where that beloved signal suffers a wide and big degradation and that's what many of you like it because are accustom too. R. |
Dear @roxy54 : Very far away from there. But I have some first hand experiences in the electronic design and first hand experiences on active/passive electronics parts. These gives me some " idea " about. Just as an example about tube electronics and not as a critic against the designer that I respect first than all. So take it just as an example, the manufacturer name does not matters at all. I took the Decaware Torii amps ( nothing personal against it. ). Next statements came from its site: """ Exotic parts - cost no object design. "" "" with a bit sweeter top end. "" " from DECWARE, you can see better with your eyes closed " All 3 statements are full of subjectivity and can’t be proved with true facts: Exotic parts?, more in a moment. Sweeter top end? well live MUSIC at near field position where the recording microphones are " seated " is all you want but sweet. The third statement is " crazy " for say the least. One of those " exotic " parts are these Jupiter caps where the manufacturer says: " upgrade caps the beeswax are a bit more organic sounding while the VCAP’ " Organic, one audiophile adjective that exist only in the imagination and not in a live MUSIC. Again, subjective word. https://www.decware.com/newsite/images/parts.jpg " After trying everything from VCAPS to Mundorfs, a year long cap selection process ends with these Cryo-treated flat stacked copper foil capacitors featuring an organic bees wax dielectric and silver leads. """ One of my first hand experiences ( solid experiences. ) is with those kind of " exotic/boutique " caps that I used through my electronics and speaker crossover and like Decaware I owned, tested, compared in my system through several years from Duelund to Mundorf, V-caps, Sonicraft, Jantzen, Auricap, MIT, Clarity, Audyn, etc, etc. I used the top models in all those caps. Example: I use from V-caps in electronics the Teflon CU ones that are truly expensive and performs very good. Well, more than a year ago I posted a dedicated thread looking for the experts advises on caps: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/best-harmless-signatureless-speakers-capacitors I appreciated all those gentleman experts advises but I could not found out exactly what I’m looking for then I tood that bull by its horns and by my self started a research in the internet and started to buy several non-boutique non-exotic caps that I tested/compared against the boutique ones and obviously against in between all those non boutique ones. After several months searching and learning about I ended with exclusively non boutique caps/resistors that things are that are the overall industry true standards and that outperformed and outperforms easyly any of those boutique/exotic caps/resistors. The industry standards measures way better than the boutique very high price$$$ against the " peanuts " price of the " humble " industry standard. I changed one critical V-cap teflon Cu at the input of my monoblok amplifiers and instead the V-cap now I’m using the humble Wima FKP1: outstanding and for me was a true discovery because I never imagined that those Wima could in any way outperforms any boutique caps. Other changes were in my speakers crossover where I use Wima and Kemet caps along Vishay resistors. Nothing can beat it. One main characteristic/advantage that my system achieved with those caps/resistors was and is that the room/system noise floor goes really down and believe me or not just disappeared. With the system volume all the way up if you switch on or off you can’t detect any noise floor difference in between those two conditions. But what could happen if this tube manufacturer or Tidal speakers choosed Wima/Kemet or Vishay instead the boutique ones?. You have the answer. Btw, this is the spec of one Torii amp: FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 20Hz ~ 20kHz +/- 0.4dB ( they don't disclose the IMD, slew rate or damping factor in any of its amplifier specs. ) ? ? ! ! the inverse RIAA eq. deviation in my phonolinepreamp performs from lower than 20hz to higher than 20khz with a deviation of only: 0.011 db and both channels measures the same. Nothing here or in the cap thread is subjective but full of facts/measures/objectivity. As I posted before: we must think out of the box out of the AHEE. R. |
Dear friends: One of the best LP recording ever made and that competes with the best D2D M&K or Sheffield Labs recordings is the one that came from MoFi: The Power and the Majesty. Side one first track The ThunderStortm is really something to " die for " if you have the rigth quality room/system. All the LP is astonishing but you need to be " there ", just outstanding and I truly mean it. R. |
Dear @roxy54 and friends : I own over 7K+ LPs and between them almost all digital old Telarc recordings and yes not all are very good but the majority are and between the good ones there are some excellent recordings as the 1812 and not only because those great cannon shots but along that the sound of the triangle or tambourine and in the score that part with the carrillon reproduction is just sublime where if you have the level of room/system you can be aware of each one of those " hundreds " bells sound tone differences. With recordings as Telarc good ones we are immersed in the MUSIC as never before. Again, if we own the rigth room/system that Telarc 1812 is a true reference and test for any system. Certainly and with out any doubt the Cronwall IV or " VI " can’t honor that truly high reference kind of MUSIC LP no matters what. Years ago a gentleman that lived in Argentina send me an Agon message that he was in Mexico city for a week and that he wanted that both of us meets at my place to talk and know a new audiophile. Well that was very good time and very good listening sessions. Suddenly he asked by the 1812 score and I took my Telarc LP and we started to listen it at real live event SPL and before the LP finished I look to his face and this gentlemans was crying ( believe or not. ), when the LP finished he told me: Raul you make it because I listened several times live and in audio systems this score and never feels as today. I had a first hand experience with me, there is one score with Montserrat Caballe lovely voice ( for say the least ) that always makes me tears goes out from my eyes. Yes, this is the MUSIC power and it's all about. Problem with almost all of you is that seems to me that never had that kind of first hand experiences and if you don’t have it then and with all respect: why don’t you have that kind of system quality when you are music lovers and experienced audiophiles?, yes that AHEE impedes you to have it, pity try to broken those AHEE chains. You can do if you start thinking " out of the box " to up-grade or up-date your room/system actions. One gentleman posted that my statements were a folly and this is a prove of a very low knowledge levels in this specific distortions developed subject. Roxy, when I was looking to buy my subs not only make with first hand experiences several tests with several manufacturer subwoofers and made a research through the internet looking for some critical information and I talked with those manufacturers. Guess what? no single subwoofer manufacturer has disclosed the THD in their subs specs models and no one could told me that THD figure in its subs but Velodyne. Velodyne was and is a great sub design and the spec about is really low: 0.5% ( THD ). Velodyne achieved by design sensing around 16K times each second the woofer excursions to avoid a higher than 0.5% on THD. JL Audio measured ( I think in a Stereophile review. ) 5.6% and big Rel 6.3% ( I can’t remember whom made the measurements. ). Now, those 0.5% or 5.6% on THD are achieved with a woofer designed specific for a really short bass frequency range along a dedicated amplifier to fulfill the subs needs and even that the THD is not really low but Velodyne. Any of your passive speakers, including the Cornwall , that THD figure in those woofers handling a wider frequency range and with a non-dedicated amplifier the distortion is at over 15%-20% and that’s what almost all of you are accustom to and I was accustomed till I understand the whole critical issue down there and fixed. Some one says here that those numbers on THD 15%-20% are not important !, go figure. THE IMD is way critical too and numbers are not lower than the ones for the THD. Gentlemans you are losting the more important subject in the room/system reproduction: MUSIC and till you experience what I posted in this thread you just can’t understand the true outstanding quality level of your MUSIC at your place that puts you nearer to the recording and that makes that against live MUSIC the " big joke " that is the home system MUSIC reproduction can goes not so " big ". @dave_b yes those vintage speakers as your Bozak were great. Do you remember The Voice of the Theater? There are several speakers from those times and after those times I think that one of the first speaker manufacturer that understanded the bass range issue was Infinity with its separate passive subs tower Reference model. Now and in good shape please tell me why all of you are rigth and I could be wrong but not tell me with subjectivity words by with facts. I don’t try to convince to any one of you, I only share a different facts and opinion. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
