Faster, FASTER....Until the Thrill of Speed
Overcomes the Fear of Death
...the only vehicular t-shirt I saw on someone that I could never source, but wanted anyway....
Agree with nonoise, I loved my cycling days....never had to pay too high of a physical price for the priviledge. Now, with blood thinners and the wrong DNA I bruise if you look at me hard. The slightest cut makes me leak like a slash case....
"YOU OK?!" Yeah, normal hydralic leak...it’ll stop soon enough...
(I clot quickly, ergo the thinners...)
Porsches’ seem to be devolving back to the Bathtubs in appearance.
Guy bringing his Beemer in for ’something’ had never heard the term ’Barbaric Mulch Wagon’, and had a good laugh over it....
"Damn, it’s always got an issue that’s expensive!"
Yup, you haven’t bought a car, you’ve aquired a mistress...with all that applies...
My tastes in cars is much like my taste in audio gear....
I’ll run what I brung, and won’t lose sleep over the cost if I break it. ;) |
I’ve been a motorcycle freak for over 50 years and still ride frequently (if it’s too hot I just drive an interesting car instead), and, of course, have crashed a few times (I wear lots of safety gear now...full face helmet, armored jackets designed for cold or hot, Bohn armored tights under my jeans)...I’ve also been surfing since I was a little kid and have nearly drowned in huge surf a couple of times, been saved by a seatbelt in serious car crashes more than once, went off a cliff snowboarding, and regret exactly none of any of it. I have also nearly blown myself across a room while trying to fix an amp (oops), so hey, don’t try any of these things because you can just stay inside and be safe...make some tea Kaitty...take a nap...wait...forget the tea, you could be hurt if it's too hot... |
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Erik- If you like motorcycles, you should visit the Barber Museum in
Birmingham, AL. Most of the bikes in the Guggenheim show came from his
private collection and the building he commissioned to house it has an
interior layout similar to the Guggenheim.
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Fabulous place and the races are really good too. I got in there courtesy of Haas machine Tools and we also got to go into the maintenance areas where they restored the various motorcycles they had bought. First rate operation and well worth a trip.
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I disagree!
Porsche has made ugly cars - Panamera as an example.
However, I think the 928, 944 & 968 were at least meh if not ok looking!
And there are forces (e.g. automatic transmissions) that may degrade the joy of riding in the not to distant future.
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I’ve been a motorcycle freak for over 50 years and still ride frequently (if it’s too hot I just drive an interesting car instead), and, of course, have crashed a few times (I wear lots of safety gear now...full face helmet, armored jackets designed for cold or hot, Bohn armored tights under my jeans)...I’ve also been surfing since I was a little kid and have nearly drowned in huge surf a couple of times, been saved by a seatbelt in serious car crashes more than once, went off a cliff snowboarding, and regret exactly none of any of it. I have also nearly blown myself across a room while trying to fix an amp (oops), so hey, don’t try any of these things because you can just stay inside and be safe...make some tea Kaitty...take a nap...wait...forget the tea, you could be hurt if it’s too hot...
>>>>>I hate to be judgmental but I suspect you probably should have started wearing helmets earlier in your career, you know, before all the crashes. 🤕 |
Indian Larry was a bike builder in Brooklyn who happened to like to stand on the seat of his bike. He did it one time too many.
I still ride with a few buddies, almost never alone, a pack of Harley's at least announces their presence. I'm done with long trips and high speeds on Interstates. But still love the twistees. "Two dollars of gas is worth two thousand of therapy".
Yes, love cars as well, still have my first, a '68 427 vette ragtop. And a C7 for comfort (and speed, but don't tell).
The new Porsche GT4 is a pretty car, but at $110K I won't be buying one. Would rather trade in the C7 for a C8 Grand Sport.
Cars, bikes and audio go together because it's a pursuit that never ends. Even after you've climbed the mountain all you see is the next peak.
Good, clean fun which I will be pursuing 'till the devil gets his due.
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I have no mechanical skills to speak of. I can barely change a light bulb. I do love music and the gear but I don't know how to work on it. |
Yes motorcycle are fun and not comparable to a car ride. Said part is facts are facts if you are on the organ donor waiting list your chances to find the needed organ increases 70 times during cycle season ( no snow). Have placed many friends in the ground from cycles at it was never them at fault. Wrong place wrong time!
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The Germans and British both make attractive cars, the Italians make beautiful cars. |
1 Italian motorcycle and 3 Italian bicycles here. |
"And a C7 for comfort..." Nobody can say you are spoiled. |
geoffkait
Don't forget about T.E. Lawrence aka Lawrence of Arabia. While on his Brough Superior SS100 motorcycle he swerved to avoid two boys on bicycles he could not see after coming over a hill, went off the road, and was thrown over the handlebars. Died 6 days later. Tragic. |
"...the Italians make beautiful cars." At times designed by a Japanese. Just like a Porsche, or two. Along with the Corvette? (Kiyoyuki Okuyama) |
I don’t know if it’s true or not but I heard a guy got strained going through a chicken wire fence on a ski mobile at high speed. They had to pick up the pieces.
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@barts .."cars, bikes and audio go together because it's a pursuit that never ends." Yep, all three, same here. Building, customizing, or using, rotate as necessary. :) |
@glubson said:
"And a C7 for comfort..." Nobody can say you are spoiled."
There is a certain Italian beauty who shares my bed that thinks 1000hp
in the garage is a tad excessive!
Color me lucky.....never a real complaint concerning cars bikes audio.
Enjoys them all.
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barts,
I was referring to the Corvette comfort. I managed, with some struggle, to get into C7 convertible at an auto show. Getting out was not friendly to my knees. No idea how I would have done it from the roofed one.
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Nice post Erich.
If you want excitement take a load of gasoline into the median grass at 60 mph.
Come back out alive unlike #3 into a Daytona wall. Like actors can go to a place to draw tears, you will always be able to summon the willlies henceforth.
I'm done with automobile romance after my first three. I can't ride 2 wheels any more but have plenty of great memories.
Never finished with enjoying music.
Inclusivity IS the target for us. Bragadoccio doesn't work for me here.
Sefl serving metaphors are definitely out of place.
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I think all cars are basically pretty ugly, never understood the attraction to them. But I'm a bicycling kind of person.
A guy in my Receiving department has dabbled with audio stuff in years past, and has clearly drooled at the goods that come and go for me as I try and trade audio stuff. Then one day I asked him how much he had spent on cars in his whole life (he's 58, I'm 61). He scratches his head, says he doesn't know for sure, but it has been a lot (he drives a new, fancy Mustang now). I have only purchased brand new cars in my life, because I know their service record. I have spent less than $100k total for the purchase price of all of my cars, as I tend to drive my Tercel's and Camry's into the ground. I save my dough to treat my ears!
And I ride a super-sweet custom titanium ride to-and-from work. I'm sure a motorcycle can be thrilling, but it can't compete with your all-body joy of flying through the air in your own power (with sensible brakes, both front and rear!).
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??? I thought s a forum was for music enthusiast what has cars and motorcycle's got to do with it seeing as all are commentating on it to the person who started it all I have to say is you must have Sh-T in in your eyes if you say Porsche cars are ugly is that why some car makers aspire to look a like cars and as for the motorcycle's ONE you DRIVE and ONE YOU RIDE on comparison.
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There’s a self important wimp factor among people who feel they have to point out how dangerous motorcycles can be...people who ride them know all about it and really don’t need a "Church Lady" cabal to remind them. In 2019 NYC had 28 bicycle deaths and 128 pedestrian deaths with multiples of that in serious injuries...stay inside Kaitty, and get the interns to loosen the restraints and put you near the window...not too close...careful... |
You’re supposed to wear helmets not polish them, wolf boy.
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"...if you say Porsche cars are ugly is that why some car makers aspire to look a like cars..." Some women aspire to look like Kim Kardashian. |
My wife and I ride. That’s how we met,in a motorcycle meet up group. We now have four bikes. As I got a little older,and my body broke down a little more,I told my wife I needed to get something more comfortable,a bagger. She immediately said go for it. The only condition was I couldn’t sell my other bike. I really did want to sell it,and she put her foot down and said “absolutely not!” Boy,did I find the needle in the haystack or what? |
Good woman ya got there rocray |
The only issue is,she just doesn’t understand my love of this audio hobby. I guess you can’t have everything. |
another silly response from resident 'g' goeffkait ---
’d be more concerned about putting some skin on the asphalt. I once came upon a turned over motorcycle on the highway and wondered where the rider was. As it turned out he was about 100 yards up ahead, being attended to' ------
again talk w/o benefit of knowledge or experience . The rider never travels as far as the bike. Ask ambulance drivers :) |
I'm with you Erik, bikes are more fun-- and this place loves people with your decent helpful attitude. Cheers! |
Welcome, post traumatic stress syndrome. 🤕 |
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Old Jags are the nicest looking. Good luck getting one to run. My favorite is the XJ12 cab (not sure if Jag calls it that) from 30+ years ago. British racing green with a tan interior with a tan convertible top (must be clean). My dream car for days when the top can be down. I would only drive a convertible with the top down and unfortunately where I live, cab says are about 120-150 days a year. Subtract out the days when pollen is deadly and you're down to 60-120 days a year. Not worth it. San Diego or Hawaii - definitely.
Porsches have evolved incrementally for over 50 years. At least you know what the hell it is when you see one. Take the badges off most new cars and most of the time you have no idea what they are. 911s are an icon, fun to drive, hold their value incredibly well (or appreciate after about 8 years), and are very reliable. What's not to like? The people that have them for the status can be spotted a mile away. Some are snobs and like driving but have no knowledge of Porsche history. Most of the snobs buy SUVs.
As far as motorcycles, off road or dirt biking is fine. On public roads you have gotta be nuts. I saw up close (by accident) one time around the corner from my house at a 5 point intersection when I was riding my bicycle the remains of a motorcycle accident that was being cleaned up with cops and EMS at the scene, literally scraping the rider off the ground. The car (SUV) was hardly damaged.I don't mean to scare you, but motorcyclists keep hospitals in business. It's like my ortho surgeon who replaced my ACL said after the operation, "you can play basketball again, but the over 40 league keeps me in business - I wouldn't" Since I tore mine without even touching another player, I quit playing.
He drives a brand new 911 C4S Cab and always leases to have the latest model. He is the both guy above. Enjoys driving tremendously and goes to the occasional PCA event, but like most doctors, is very status conscious, very worried about keeping up with the Joneses. |
"The rider never travels as far as the bike. Ask ambulance drivers :)" Do they know which direction geoffkait was coming from? He is directional, don't you know, and he is usually in the opposite direction of everybody else. On a more serious note, "never" in that above sentence discredits the whole sentence. |
"The people that have them for the status can be spotted a mile away. Some are snobs and like driving but have no knowledge of Porsche history." How to decide how much knowledge is enough to qualify as a non-snob? Is not taking a Zuffenhausen delivery sign of a poser, or is taking a Zuffenhausen delivery sign of a poser? Is staying at Prunner acceptable, or it has to be Dullnig? Are only hybrids true Porsches? |
Back to your wunderbar car again eh sokogear? Know this ditty? Bitchin’ Camaro The Dead MilkmenBitchin’ Camaro, bitchin’ Camaro Donuts on your lawn Bitchin’ Camaro, bitchin’ Camaro Tony Orlando and Dawn When I drive past the kids They all spit and cuss ’Cause I’ve got a bitchin’ Camaro And they have to ride the bus So you’d better get out of my way When I come through your yard ’Cause I’ve got a bitchin’ Camaro And an Exxon credit card Bitchin’ Camaro, bitchin’ Camaro Hey man where ya headed? Bitchin’ Camaro, bitchin’ Camaro I don’t want unleaded! |
If the dollar is strong enough, the currency value might pay for the trip if you actually buy it over there. This was done a lot in the 1980s, but you have to make sure it can be legally registered in the US if it is gray market.
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Sokogear check out the Eagle GT, the most beautiful car ever made on steroids.
Eric, check out the Singer 911, the greatest sports car ever made. The 911 is an endearing car for several reasons. People love the fat ass, women love the cabs, they are very tough little cars, you can keep them going forever, they have a scream like nothing else, the motor is in the right place. When you floor it at the apex it squats down and rockets out like no other car. It is the most practical sports car ever made. It has roof racks, you can stick your wife in there with a weeks worth of luggage, bikes on the top and actually go somewhere. Try that on your bike.
If I put you in a GT 3 I could scare the crap out of you every bit as good as you can do on a motorcycle. And now you can even get them with a great sound system. not so with a bike. I am sure bikes are a lot of fun. I particularly like riding around on Sundays going no where burning fossil fuel. The obesity rate is something like 20% now. The next time a group of motorcycles passes have a look. The obesity rate is 80%.
I'll take my bicycle any day and yes geoffkait I do wear a helmet. What pisses me off more than anything is when a motorcycle passes you they frequently gun it just to destroy your ears. I have a very long middle finger for them. |
sokogear, Zuffenhausen delivery has been around for a while, at least 20-ish years but possibly more. It does not depend much on the dollar strength, I think. Some manufacturers have such arrangements (BMW, Mercedes, Audi), too. Usually, the final price is a few thousand dollars lower than if you picked it up at your local dealership, but do not quote me on that. Mercedes used to give you two weeks insurance, hotel, etc. but I think that is gone now. Some used to give you airline tickets, too. The car is the same one you would have gotten at your dealership, no grey zone there. Unfortunately, these days Porsche has suspended the included factory tour so you will need to time the delivery of your next little one to when they reopen it. Could one even be a Porschephile without having walked the hallowed grounds of the car factory? Of course, not. Those who drive a Porsche and have not been there and done that are just snobs. We have to agree to agree on that. https://www.porsche.com/international/accessoriesandservice/factorycollection/factorycollectionatzuf...Check the PDF at the bottom of the page for details. Your local dealer will guide you through the process. |
GT3 is insane. Surprisingly comfortable off the track. Just drove one for the first time last week and it made my GTS seem slow, and it's only about a half second or so slower 0-60. It's light, and the engine only has about 45 more HP, but they get every bit of power possible out of it and the exhaust is so loud it makes your think you're going faster. I would get one if I could get a sunroof in it and the engines didn't blow up that year 2014.....after that I couldn't/wouldn't afford it.
Eagle GT is certainly beautiful, but if it is anything like the Singer 911s, they are WAY out of my price range. You'd be better off finding the older model 911 you want and having a shop fix it to you specs. Plus I think the Singer waiting list is years, as it is the "in" thing for the movie star and Silicon Valley tech guys who live in LA and SF where 911s are a dime a dozen. |
I can't afford new ones, so I guess I am not a true Porschephile since I never had a factory tour. Haven't even been to the new US HQ in Atlanta with the track package that is supposedly a great thing to do. Maybe one of these days... |
sokogear,
Oh man, you have some catching up to do.
Take Zuffenhausen delivery of some hybrid model. Drive to Zell am Zee (pass by Schüttgut) and then Gmünd. Enjoy Tauern Autobahn views. Pick your way through Germany, take the loger way through Schwarxwald, to Maison Blanche at Le Mans and be careful while there. Drop it off somewhere. Pick it up in Charleston, SC, right there close to Porsche Boulevard. If you insist, you can go to Atlanta and check the track, but it does not have any history in it. Drive across the continent (avoid Interstates), and find your way across Texas, Marfa included, to Cholame, CA. Take a picture. Send it to your friends with a caption "Little Bastard" (the car, not you, but they will understand).
It is simpler than it seems. It may appear snobbish, but it ain't bragging if you can back it up. You and your own car at those spots.
You could skip Zuffenhausen delivery, but you could bring your current car and do, more or less, all of it with it.
I am not making fun of it. It may be a little project, but I promise you will like it.
While you are doing it, slow down. The life you save might be mine.
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In terms of pure driving, I don't think any 911 touches the 718 GT4. The others are faster, but in my limited driving experience, the GT4 is far more fun. If you are just interested in straight line, there are certainly cheaper ways than a GT3. In pretty most most pavement conditions (and drivers), our baby Tesla is going to match a GT3 till well past legal speeds. Now that I am on a track somewhat regularly again, I have lost most of the desire for something fast on the road ... 99.99% of the time which you can't take advantage of anyway. A tossable convertible is in the future plans though.
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My husband wants a GT4 but there is a long waiting list. Maybe the next version. |
"I have lost most of the desire for something fast on the road ... 99.99% of the time which you can't take advantage of anyway." As much as speed limits are limiting, road surface in North America may make a Hummer a tossable vehicle. Not to mention that curves are sometimes hanging in wrong directions, etc. Increase the speed at your own risk. |
Great thread....Except walking can be more exciting than motorcycle....Remember your mother eyes when you first walked, and imagine yourself older in an hospital bed....Or better, imagine yourself walking in a forest.....
I apologize because while dreaming of a motorcycle all my life I cannot buy one being too easily distract.... :) When I was young I go to buy one and try it, the price was near 1000 bucks (Triumph 650 c.c.)....But I prefered to buy the one thousand dollars books I has ordered months before, and after that the magical moment was passed, I forget my motorcycle dream and the money was there no more....
I even try flying with man-made wings, but walking is my way......In my dreams I was always flying without any wings anyway.... :)
My interest for cars ended after seeing a Bugatti 1936 Atlantic….Beautiful design a cross between Michelangelo and Salvador Dali for the design....
I prefer electric bicycle to motorcycle now.....I hesitate between buying one or buying a Berning ZOTL amplifier tough....
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Robert- you are right on the money. Problem is, I have to have a sunroof.
I'll probably stick with the GTS - not a fan of the turbo.
Never interested in just a straight line. It's the fun in the twisties mostly. Speed is fun too, especially in the GT3.
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A Triumph 650 cc for $1000. Shirley, you jest!
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In 1978 I purchased a 65 GTO standard 4bbl powerglide original paint from original owner 90k Miles for $650. |
isochronism,
That happens. We have all overpaid for things at times.
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I bought a 68 Camaro SS 396 for $700 in 1974 in the middle of the oil embargo. In 76 I bought a 74 MGB.
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glubson, You're right. Gasoline was $.70 per gal then!!!
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