If we ever get through all this craziness and Axpona kicks back up meet me on the second floor at the bar. I’m buying the first round. Stay safe friends.
“Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.” ― Albert Einstein
“Opposition can be your friend. Opposition can be the fire that tempers the better sword, as well as the ice that cools a fiery temper. Don't ever run from it; learn from it!” ― Jack R. Rose, The Cedar Post
A renowned professor at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine is speaking out this week to admit that the COVID-19 vaccine mandates “ruin lives” and that natural immunity is far more effective than the vaccine.
“The data on natural immunity are now overwhelming,” Dr. Marty Makary told The Daily Wire. “It turns out the hypothesis that our public health leaders had that vaccinated immunity is better and stronger than natural immunity was wrong. They got it backwards. And now we’ve got data from Israel showing that natural immunity is 27 times more effective than vaccinated immunity. And that supports 15 other studies.”
Makary went on to say that he finds it bizarre that natural immunity is not seen as legitimate in the eyes of the U.S. government.
“It’s ruining the lives of people who are getting fired,” he explained. “Nurses, who are heroes, are now getting laid off. Soldiers are getting dishonorably discharged. They’ve got immunity. It’s just not the type that our public health officials have sanctioned.”
“This is a failure of government, not a failure of science,” Makary declared. “But how about some flexibility? How about recognizing natural immunity and allowing those who have circulating antibodies to get credit? That’s how they do it in parts of Europe, and that’s how they do it in Israel.”
millercarbon was recently corrected (by a doctor in this thread?) in regards to mRNA not entering the nucleus of the human cells affecting the human genome.
I am watching a video by a research doctor who’s explaining that mRNA goes through a process called Retro Integration, whereby the mRNA is coverted into DNA (reverse transcriptor) which then the genome coalesse with each other. According to this video, millcarbon was correct though perhaps not directly, the mRNA does in fact combine with the nucleus, after retro integration through reverse transcription. As far as I understand it.
Well what do you know, it takes a deeper more comprehensive understanding to figure out I knew what I was talking about in the first place. Go figure.
Passing strange the way they lump all vaccines into one, as if they are all the same- but then if you try and simplify or generalize they are all over you.
It is all kind of a waste in time, in the sense the people throwing these kinds of attacks are only pretending to care about truth and understanding. So nice you bothered to let us know that you found out I was right after all. But then anyone interested would have figured this out by now anyway. It is all covered very clearly on one slide in the lecture linked here half a dozen times now. https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeutic-nihilism-and-trusted-treatments-vs-unt...
Everyone should watch this. At least two or three times. Then download and study the slides. There is a link, you can download the slides for a clearer more high res look. Or you can skip to about 5:20 on the video where he shows this very mRNA manufacturing the deadly spike protein inside the cell process we are talking about.
Just as audiophiles love to get bogged down in details to where they lose sight of the big picture, people can easily get bogged down in this to where they lose sight of the big picture. Which is, regardless of which vaccine or how it works, the end result is to make a deadly spike protein.
Deadly. I think that is kind of important. He does too. Says it three times. Deadly spike protein. This is just the cold hard fact of the matter.
But - facts - is kind of like this https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-398_1b7d.pdf yuviarora links the actual SCOTUS opinion, as unimpeachable as you can get- to everyone but Marxist ideologues who as I’ve said follow an ideology of power not truth.
Dang this yuviarora dude is on a roll. And he knows his caps too. Welcome, buddy!
---And we got to have the last word too! Awesome!!!
rixthetrick, you just had to go there….. I’ve been a long time Tobacco dip user. As I said earlier up the ladder, I roll the dice. I do however drink plenty of water, brush and rinse more often than most. Oh, I’ll come up with any justification to do as I please ;-)
@cd318 - My wife insists I use CloSYS un-flavored ultra sensative rinse *(for at least 30 seconds) held in the mouth after brushing and flossing each night. I’m sure there’s others that will work, this is the one she’s been directed to.
She told me it’s a good anti-covid practice, and that Xylitol can be used in Covid 19 prevention.
It’s great to see this debate continuing. Nobody has to agree with anything, but they might owe it to themselves to think a little.
@rixthetrick,
"My wife who is a dental hygienist is connected through social networks to many healthcare professionals. I’ve learned that oral health has a great deal to do with overall health and Covid 19 as well, through her."
Thanks for posting this.
I could not agree more.
Bacteria likes to settle where it can and our noses, mouths and throats are our first lines of defence against airborne germs.
Gum disease is usually feared for the resulting loss of teeth but it seems as if the shedding of the teeth is simply the body’s way of trying to stave off this potentially dangerous infection.
At all costs.
As a precaution some might want to gently brush their entire mouths (tongue and gums) as well as their teeth upon rising and before bed).
Especially after those sugar or acid based drinks that are awfully hard to resist, but also seem to feed all kinds of unpleasant bacteria in our bodies.
At the very least everyone should try rinsing out their mouths regularly with plain water throughout the day in order to keep their saliva flowing clean and healthy.
Then I suggest that you are selectively disregarding the several
diversive posts that are entirely not connected to the affect on
Audiophile shows due to the current pandemic.
Trust the science.....NO I say, verify the science. Even if you don’t have a degree, if you get injured, you are on your own. And by the looks of it, that is the least of our problems.
There are dozens maybe hundreds now? That are in a group to have their voices heard, who claim their lives are damaged from terrible reactions to the Covid vaccines. They claim to have tried to get medical help, and have been left with little or no helpful answers. My wife who is a dental hygienist is connected through social networks to many healthcare professionals. I’ve learned that oral health has a great deal to do with overall health and Covid 19 as well, through her.
“relieve the natives of their land “ Dude that just says it all.
I am here, in the US due a confluence of factors; ambition, restlessness, oppression, the desire to oppress in turn , war, etc. I know my dna and my history, some threads back to 1400. I know the centuries old pogroms that evicted some of them,
One dna donor got here by taking another's place in the Civil war, $50 buys a lot of democracy, land of the free. Now there is a lesson in capitalism.
The toughest thing to stomach for all of us, regardless of our ideology or passion, is that the law of large numbers predicts the eventual outcome. Thats frustrating to any individual, especially if the predictable outcome is opposite the individuals desired outcome.
I recall vividly when the air traffic controllers were fired for striking during the Reagan administration. They weren’t wrong, they were just on the wrong side of the outcome.
There will be many, regrettably, during this time who will pay a very high price. That price might be paid by someone who takes the vaccine and has an adverse outcome…it happened during polio….alot of dead kids until they got it worked out. That high price might be paid by someone choosing to not be vaccinated losing their jobs or worse, they get sick and have long term covid side effects or worse, they lose their life or a loved one.
I made my decision and others have made theirs, there should be mutual respect even if we dont always understand or agree with the other person’s decision. Where I think we all get bent out of shape is the criticism, many times harsh and over the top, from the other side.
I’m just not that concerned that I made the right or wrong decision, the outcome will be what it will be now that its made. Same goes for every time I get behind the wheel of the car, board an airplane, eat food. I stand by my non-judgemental but reasoned assertion that those who lose their jobs in small to mid-size firms it will be because of issues larger than take a shot or not. It will be because the cost to figure out a way to accomodate the individual isn’t worth it to the organization.
If we were forced to require the vaccine of all staff, which we are but of course the rules have yet to be written, we would examine the fallout and adjust accordingly. I have co-workers for whom we would set them up in a sole proprietorship and contract back from them to perform similar work. I have co-workers for whom it is unlikely we would change the thermostat to accomodate. Thats kindof the way it will unfold to varying degrees. Large companies, the law of large numbers kicks in and some good and some less good team members will be lost because its more of a binary decision.
We should always be honest with ourselves, what kind of co-worker are we? Are we constantly railing against the windmill of the day, certain that everyone is out to get us or keep us down? Life will go on and leave us behind or not, depending on the decisions we make. The really perplexing decisions people make that I dont understand arent the ones who take/dont take the vaccine, its the ones who stay behind in their homes when a massive hurricane is barreling toward them.
Oh well, peace to all and good luck with the outcome, no matter which choice youve made.
Time for one of the Moderation team of this AUDIO RELATED forum to shut this thread down, It was not methinks in the mind of the OP to create such a divisive , polarising and in parts toxic thread that it has morphed into.
Newcomers may ignore the fact that we are all friends here, even when we disagree.... Anyway i hate no one here even those with which i disagree most of the times...
Newcomers ignore the fact that many of us dont come here for a precise audio topic only but also to read opinionss of posters friends or acquintances we know already sometimes very well...This fact explain the strong attraction of audiogon with his particular audio expertise distributed among all audiogoners...
Newcomers cannot ask for a thread to be erased when they comes disrespectfully disregarding the people who took time to communicate with one another at the price of not being on the same perspective concerning complex issues here...
Newcomers Are welcome if they respect the 2 sides of an argument and participate without insulting.... It is sometimes difficult to restrain ouselves...
I apologize to all for my excessive passion or " pontificating " tone ( i know myself 😁😊 )...
I only hope that my posts are not always boring and boring for all....After all we entertained ourselves like in a bar or in an audio festival here....
Audiogon is not an audio neutral wikipedia only but a living animated perpetual discussion between strangers who may become friends or at least acquintances....
For us who comes here regularly all people are souls with their own perspectives not anonnymus nick names with strange opinions....This fact only makes the greatest difference in the world when we read a post....
I’d also like to touch on what tomic601 posted regarding “the FENCE” but ghetto style.
What makes a forum any different than the joint? Those of you whom have your head in the gutter, no, not the sticky icky one I’m referring.
We all have but more than one agenda in a discussion such as this. The topic at hand first and foremost, friend or foe, like minded, not like minded, religion and politics.
Time for one of the Moderation team of this AUDIO RELATED forum to shut this thread down, It was not methinks in the mind of the OP to create such a divisive , polarising and in parts toxic thread that it has morphed into.
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NO it's time for YOU to move on. If you don't like what's being said move on.
Shut down the thread. Why would you want to shut down a thread?
People pick a side, then when thing don't work out, it's time to get rid of ALL the information and start all over on another thread UNTILL things don't work out and on and on and on..
Threads are removed because of selling ED products for men. NOT because you got your feeling hurt or seemed to have had your feeling hurt..
You know it's only a GIFT if you accept it.. You can return the gift to the giver or just not accept it at all. I do it all the time.
@rixthetrick Then I suggest that you are selectively disregarding the several diversive posts that are entirely not connected to the affect on Audiophile shows due to the current pandemic.
@tsushima1 - censor this discussion? I don't have the time to read every post, but as far as I know, the material and opinions on the virus and disease responsible for the closure of many of the audiophile shows are being contained and discussed primarily in here.
It's at least on topic. Please feel free to not get involved in this thread you disapprove of.
@yuviarora - I am sorry this situation has lost you your job. And millercarbon, and those who've lost friends and family, which are many of us.
Rick, by what grace do you find yourself here..in this great experiment?
@tomic601 - my economic privilege and nationality allowed me to freely travel around many countries of this world, Australasia, Europe, North Americas, and islands of the Pacific. I guess it was a birthright granted me by the predominant race who also took over the US, relieving the natives of the land. I guess the grace of God and the fierceness of my progenitors.
As many of my fellow countrymen do, I will most probably retire in or nearer my land of birth. Having traveled, I am well aware of options to live abroad, which I am doing now.
In which country do you reside? And by what grace are you there also?
Someone mentioned economic death. I find that interesting because I have been thinking on a certain perspective for a number of years since living in Europe. Consider that the USA was founded by Freemasons based on a philosophy book written sometime in the 1500's, I believe. This book outlined the ideas of democracy- governance by the people. The Freemasons used the Roman system but replaced the emperor with an elected official. The USA is a secular nation. Note that all Holidays in the USA are purely secular as opposed to Europe where almost, but not all Holidays are religious. The USA's founding documents use the word, "God" but this seems to be more to appease the religious colonies at the time to achieve consensus and ratification. The idea of Freedom is difficult to define. It's clear that religious freedom was part of the concept. The freedom to move freely about the country was another- which was much more controlled in Europe. Freedom of choices for our own lives such as career, marriage and where to live seem to have been a key concept as well. My point is: one thing for sure is that America got away from the fiefdoms of Europe in the Middle Ages. These fiefdoms had the Lord or Lords, Earls and Dukes, magistrates, sheriffs and ultimately, the peasants. Kinda of ironic how corporations stepped in to replace the fiefdoms. We have the CEO's, directors, managers and on down that play the same politics as in the courts of the middle ages and these corporations have control over the life and death of our careers. The business world has more to do with our freedoms and culture than we may realize.
Time for one of the Moderation team of this AUDIO RELATED forum to shut this thread down, It was not methinks in the mind of the OP to create such a divisive , polarising and in parts toxic thread that it has morphed into.
Yeah attack my character. I have a supreme court decision, cited, quoted, linked. And the only thing you guys can do is attack the messenger. I didn’t write this legal opinion, I don’t agree with it, I didn’t argue it, but this is what your supreme court has decided. The same Supreme court the lot of you were saying can forcibly inject me with this concoction that I lost my job for refusing. Again, what part of this decision is not clear to you? @pesky_wabbit
@jond did you read the Supreme Court Decision? Or are you just offering your intuitive insight? what part of this is crap? Please Elaborate. Just wishing it to be crap does not work, legally speaking.
"cDNA does not present the same obstacles to patentability as naturally occurring, isolated DNA segments. As already explained, creation of a cDNA sequence from mRNA results in an exons-only molecule that is not naturally occurring.8 Petitioners concede that cDNA differs from natural DNA in that “the non-coding regions have
been removed.” Brief for Petitioners 49. They nevertheless argue that cDNA is not patent eligible because “[t]he nucleotide sequence of cDNA is dictated by nature, not by the lab technician.” Id., at 51. That may be so, but the lab technician unquestionably creates something new when cDNA is made. cDNA retains the naturally occurring exons of DNA, but it is distinct from the DNA from which it was derived. As a result, cDNA is not a “product of nature” and is patent eligible under §101, except insofar as very short series of DNA may have no intervening introns to remove when creating cDNA. In that situation, a short strand of cDNA may be indistinguishable from natural DNA." https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-398_1b7d.pdf
Yeah....The US Supreme Court in 2013 decided that MRNA vaccines not only change the host DNA, but after that DNA is changed, the new cDNA is a patentable commodity.
This is not a conspiracy theory. It is the law of the land.
rixthetrick I am giving you information straight from the supreme court, link is at an @gov site. There is more happening here than meets the eye.
I think that behind the covid crisis and the financial and economical crisis, we live a moment in time now where a spiritual crisis of the highest order manifest itself: "Who is human and who is not? " This question already appearing many times in history is asked for the first time at this clear collective and individual level of consciousness....This question emerge through transhumanism...
All these crisis are linked together in ONE great crisis....Each one of this crisis reflect all the others... Then like you just clearly said:
" There is more happening here than meets the eye."
So if I buy a bunch of Pfizer stock...... Do I technically also own that hot Blonde sipping on her mocha cappuccino on Melrose Blvd? I'm gonna have to call my Lawyer to get this all ironed out.
yes Rick, by what grace do you find yourself here..in this great experiment? How would King Dotard characterize your fitness for entry vs, lets say…somebody from Haiti ?
I know @jond forget the insult hurled at you. he just relies on the small minded labeling Faux hands him… I ran a $B ( yes a B ) chunk of a big company. I allocated capital. Move on. Fence with people who know more than the zip code they inhabit and the trash media they consume…
Marxism fails because of mankind's propensity towards human behavior. Largely, a lack of integrity as they reach a point where there is no accountability.
As a foreigner, I find the great experiment currently being run in the United States of America a fascinating set of constitutions set against mankind's capacity for selfishness and control over others.
If enough people decide to corrupt and ignore the foundation, like all other empires and civilizations, a lack of integrity to principles that are universal, will cause it's collapse.
@rixthetrick I am giving you information straight from the supreme court, link is at an @gov site. There is more happening here than meets the eye. People
want to talk about law and
what's legal, this is the law of the United States of America, as it stands today. Informed Consent.... is a burden on the party consenting, this is how these corporations do business. Trust the science.....NO I say, verify the science. Even if you don't have a degree, if you get injured, you are on your own. And by the looks of it, that is the least of our problems.
I just noticed I was called a Marxist that's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time also someone has no idea what Marxism is all about. Thanks for the laugh though!
In light of this revelation..... The question of the day is, Are Natural Human Rights, applicable to the segment of the population that has been altered genetically and is now considered Trans Human? Pandora's box does not even begin to describe this predicament.
@yuviarora - that’s not very nice. According to most in here, were that truly the case, they would simply be victims of fraud.
Fraud, to me, is the most common accusation made by anti-mRNA vaxxers. Anti-vaxxers is an entirely inaccurate label for those not sold on the mRNA Covid vaccines. And assuming anyone taking any vaccine, are making an effort to be responsible, which seems to be the claim by those who are pro mRNA Covid vaccines. Most people now believe it is their personal and public duty to become completely vaccinated, that is the reported truth.
Of course, there are many times in history where reported or popular truths have fallen by the way side. I grew up in a time where lead was added to paints and fuels, asbestos was commonly used.
We can presume that those who have and are warning us against current Covid vaccines are trying to help us, for our best interest. We can also assume those who do not share those concerns, also, trust their sources and are urging us to see sense and reason to get the shot.
Despite attitudes, accusations and potential bitterness - they are not the enemy. Lies are the enemy, truth is our ally.
@sns - yeah the cast copper VSF are pretty big, and I have a pair inside my ML2, as shown in photos before glue up. You may be able to see the silver foil bypass caps soldered in photo 3.
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