Clean Power without the drawbacks of Conditioning Filtering. Advice?


Hi-

From reading i see there is a lot of talk on the drawbacks of Conditioning filtering. Dynamics and freq. limitations etc.

I want to ask if there is a power strip+cord that are not filtering. I think i could possibly get away without conditioning.
From searching it looks like there are the cheapo strips that you don't want to use OR Conditioning strips.

Wondering if there is a good reliable strip that does not screw around with the sound and can also deliver to an 800w consumption tube amp.

Thanks!
128x128dumbeat
The filters and surge protection will change the sound of everything plugged into it. 
orpheus, a dedicated 20 amp line may make a difference but it doesn't do anything about the electricity coming from outside. My understanding is that there are variables with respect to the degrees of effectiveness from a dedicated line. Would you say this is true or that the results are absolute?
@atmasphere, that sounds like the ideal situation. And I'll bet you run balanced electronics, so low-noise and no grounding issues.


Dumbeat, no matter what you use or do, the first step is to run a dedicated line from your junction box to the vicinity of your rig and branch out from there.



I don't use power strips.

They force you to be using a common power cord with everything plugged into it.
I use separate power cords instead, plugged into enough outlets. I had a few extra added! The ROMEX in the wall is better performance than a flexible power cord, and less heat is made by the AC power connectors (heat means voltage sag FWIW).
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Here's a pretty good white paper from Vince Galbo
http://www.msbtechnology.com/faq/how-to-wire-your-house-for-good-power/

I have an in line Topaz (5kVA, 0.0005 pf) hospital grade isolation transformer on it's own circuit to condition the power and it really cleans things up nicely.  

I'm considering a subpanel to either split analog from digital or sources from power.....can't decide which is more important? I don"t want more that two sets of outlets.

Any insight?
If you want clean AC without the disadvantages of using a power conditioner, then I would take a look at the Akiko Audio Corelli or the smaller Minelli. They simply plug into a power strip.

https://www.akikoaudio.com/en/products

 I've been planning to purchase the Minelli.
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I had a Nordost QX4 and QB8 in my system for around 8 years. I could always tell when it was on or off and had condicted a few blind tests with friends and family over the years. It added a certain vibrancy and texture to the music while maintaining a relaxed quality if that makes sense. Some could hear it most couldn’t, I was the only one that cared. For me, in my home (good power new(er) construction, cables and conditioning is about a 5 percent gain, sometimes at a $5,000 cost. Small gains for me and ultimately not worth it. To each his own.  I think it big money systems with room treatments and great setup it can make a bigger impact than my $15k or so cost with good setup.
Dumbeat, I use Firman Elite 20PFI.  Built in Power Factor Correction consists of big inductor and capacitor.  They stores energy and are able to deliver up to 58A of peak current.

Most of linear power supplies take current from mains in very narrow spikes of huge amplitude.  Any filtering done without this big capacitor and inductor will cause significant voltage drops and loss of dynamics.  My Furman doesn't reduce dynamics, filters out the noise and provides very tight non-sacrificial over/under voltage protection.  Likely you can find something even better, but pay attention to peak current specification.
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@lowrider57   I guess nobody noticed my recommendation at the top of the thread.
Would probably work fine for intended purpose, but why spend $20.00 when you could spend $10K......Jim
I guess nobody noticed my recommendation at the top of the thread.
https://www.mscdirect.com/industrialtools/wiremold-power-strip.html

I own two strips; one with surge protection, the other without.

No, Bill , no lobotomy. But some of us could possibly benefit from a shot of something from time to time. Just don't do cocktails.
I think the Wiremold tip is very useful. And of course, I totally agree with Inna. 
a while back I needed what you want and was recommended the Wiremold ULBH6-15 from a well respected audio tech.  It has a 15 ft.-14 gauge cord.  hospital grade with no switches in the circuit.
@inna- whenever I am in a medical facility, I'm checking out their A/C receptacles, and other gizmos. They have cool toys! #nolobotomy 
:)
Chang Lightspeed CLS 709!

No current limiting, improves detail, more 3D, clearer sound quality, dead quiet noise level!

Much better than any AC regenerator with no warm up period due to internal amplifier in regenerator.
@jhills, this thread was useful to me. I may get the Cullen strip and swap out my Wiremold. The Cullen comes with a high quality PC.

Im reading with interest even though its indeed a whole different topic. But some info here is good and useful. 
The 10k power stations are not for me but a fun read nonetheless. 
Thanks!
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@lowrider57..... Yep I think this thread lost OP. I don't think he had $10K power re-generators in mind when he ask for a simple solution to gaining an extra 8 ft of extension from his outlet to location of equipment. No filtering, no power conditioning or re-generation - Just "8' of Extension".
As suggested - a Cullen audio grade outlet strip for about $200.00 and another $50.00 in material and 1/2 Hr.  worth of work to build an audio grade ext. cord to make up the additional 4' needed.......Jim
Yup, you got your upgraded outlets, and your upgraded outlet covers. Next stop, the Graphene contact enhancer for all (rpt all) outlets, not only the audio outlets. Where does it ever end? 😳
Agree with adding a high quality duplex. But take full advantage of this upgrade by installing a dedicated AC line.

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You can buy excellent power cables and a power strip from Shunyata. The PS-8 or PS-12 are the strips and they have good cables. You can add noise reduction without conditioning if you wish as well.

Rollin
My esteemed colleague Marty DeWulf has a review of the Furutech e-TP80 power strip that I've been remiss publishing. He reviewed the hopped-up version ($2k), but the standard model starts around $800. He said it is superb and does no damage whatsoever to the power that he can discern. (He's fussy about such things too, and has generally stayed away from any kind of conditioning.) I'll publish the review soon.
After 4 different power conditioners, I went with the High Fidelity MC-6 Hemisphere. No filterring, just  clean, clear, detailed & musical music with a very quiet background. 
CK out the new PS Audio P 15 or P 20.  Super clean AC with very low impedance.  I think there is a trial period.  Highly recommended. If price is a consideration, there are some good deals out there on a P 10.  Also a dedicated 20 amp circuit or two wouldn't hurt.
This thread has come a long way from advice for a quality power strip to now recommending $5K to $10K power stations.
I wonder if the OP has tuned-out.

Edit... According to the OP’s other thread, he is looking to power tube monoblocks. I would, however, recommend power conditioning for sources. No idea what his budget is.

The complete end solution is the PS Audio Directstream Regenerator.  Comes in multiple sizes depending upon your equipment's current requirements.  Zero compression & near perfect wave form.  Outstanding and YES it is a huge upgrade... not a subtle "I think that sounds better" thing... Huge. 
Dumbeat

I did something similar to what Elizabeth has done , 
I took a Hubble HG outlet strip took out the circuit breaker and rewired 
everything internally and externally with 10 gauge wire from Cardas 
and use a hospital grade plug .
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I thought the OP didn’t want any filtering or regeneration.
  Although, the High Fidelity MC-6, Magnetic Conduction Power Distribution Block looks interesting for $999. 
No filters or capacitors.


You might look at the PS Audio P-20 regenerator.  Plenty of power out of it, and seems to be a lot of happy users so far.  I use a pair of P-10's happily now, and will likely switch to the P-20 this winter.  They allow 30 day trials.
Yes, the PS Audio "Noise Harvester" works well for removing noise from the line as Elizabeth mentioned. If anyone is interested in more information PM me.
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Geoffy The Fuse Troll said:
By far the best solution is the Magnan Audio DIY plug in capacitor bank solution. 
Geoffy, really now. Hel-loo! Rpt Hel-loo!! Capacitor banks are not going to filter diddly on an AC branch circuit.

They are required by electrical supply utilities for power factor correction in industrial applications where large motors cause a lag in power factor due to the inductive load. The capacitors in a capacitor bank are sequentially switched in to the circuit to counter-act this by introducing a load with a leading power factor.

The above industrial scenario does not apply to residential electrical delivery systems, as there are no significant loads with apparent power phase angle lagging real power.  

Wake up Geoffy and smell then ☕️. There’s no room for your science fiction unless you want to waste money and make things worse. Do yourself a favor and take a night school course in AC Electicity at your local community college. Be informed, not ignorant and jump on the knowledge 🚂 train 🚂! Toot! toot!


I would look at High Fidelity Cable conditioners and power distributors line of products.  No filtering or current reduction, 30 day money back trial. I use their MC 6 Hemisphere , it replaced my PSaudio P10 . good luck 
Wow, that brought back memories. My friend's dad, back when I was in  high school, was an architect and they had this computer that used punch cards and they had to be stacked in the right order or it wouldn't work. Needless to say, I thought I was doing it right and froze the computer. My friend's dad couldn't use it for the rest of the weekend and had to wait until Monday for the tech guy to sort it out.

It made me computer phobic as well. 🤪

All the best,
Nonoise
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https://positive-feedback.com/pfbackissues/0706/magnan.tweaks1.7n6.html

Lizzie, you need to brush up on your Google skills. I found the link in 3 seconds. Of course, I’m a trained professional....

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By far the best solution is the Magnan Audio DIY plug in capacitor bank solution. Soldering skill required. The more of these plug in capacitor banks around the house the better. And the higher the quality caps, wire and plug the better the results. Complete instructions for these DIY plug in noise filters are available over on the David Magnan website.