Several cd player manufacturers have buffers that rewrite the dics until "bit perfect' then play
CD Got Absolutely Crushed By Vinyl
No comparison, CD always sounds so cold and gritty. Vinyl is so much warmer, smoother and has better imaging and much greater depth of sound. It’s like watching the world go by through a dirty window pane when listening to a CD. Put the same LP on the turntable and Voila! Everything takes on more vibrancy, fullness and texture.
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“CD is a dead media format”. CD is far from dead....if we are talking about mainstream then CD, Vinyl, Tape all are pretty much dead formats. As @fleschler pointed out there are many releases of great recordings are being put out on CD’s. One reliable source of remastered great sounding CD’s is Elusive Disc, they got very nice collection of rare jazz and classical recordings. Anyone who thinks CD is CD, check out Dexter Gordon’s - A Singin’ Affair XRCD. |
@tomcy6 sleepwalker, reality check:https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/vinyl-what-if Tomy the only person needing to do a reality check is you. |
Dear @sleepwalker65 : You started in this thread a " battle " that just before your OP you had totally lost. No matter what. You read the " other turn around thread "/opposite to this one and seems to me that unfortunatelly you did not understand all the facts posted there that unequivocally says that it’s vinyl whom is " dead " in the very first moment that appeared the 20/96 DACs. " CD is CD. What you put in is what you get out. If you are trying to compare another format to vinyl, that’s a different discussion. """ it’s incredibkle that you still want to win when you can’t do it. Your statement is an example of that and my answer to it is with other example: what needs a LOMC device for you can listen a sound coming from your speakers or a MM cartridge?, exactly it needs an analog rig. Well CD with out a CDP is just a CD where as with the cartridges can’t gives you any sound through your speakers. I hope you agree with all those. Your way of thinking on the CD/LP subject is a dead way of thinking and you are not alone , all those gentlemans that " die for vinyl " are like you: totally wrong and not because I say that but the facts in the other thread that I linked in this thread. Where are your and the other vinyl lovers ( I’m a vinyl lover but I understand the facts/reality. ) facts other that " I like it ". You have not a single one and is not your culprit because those facts on vinyl just does not exist ! ! ! Btw, do you already bougth the CD/LP I posted the link through amazon?, no: what are you waiting for: there you can find out facts not inexistent " illusions " Here other facts: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=alita+black+angel+cd&i=music-intl-ship&ref=nb_sb_noss I’m waiting for the LP. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=the+house+that+dirt+built&i=music-intl-ship&crid=1WYLJ39MKLS92&am... The House.... https://www.amazon.com/s?k=angels+%26+demons+original+motion+picture+soundtrack+cd&i=music-intl-... We all need to learn and for that each one of us need to have a positive attitude that permits that each one of us can be willing to learn, willing to grow-up to move on. On the CD subject you are living in 1965 but remember yhat in reality we all are living in 2019 with 2018 CDP. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Btw, if for you or any other analog lover the CD in the audio system can't at least even the LP quality overall performance then there is a serious/critical problems with that system ( somewhere in one or some of thelinks in the system chain. ) whole set up or the quality of the CDP on that system. Personally I don't care what's wrong with you or any other anti-digital analog lovers. What I post here and elsewhere on this and other MUSIC/audio regards is only expose facts not just opinion or what I or don't like because what you or me like is unimportant. The star is MUSIC nothing less nothing more. R. |
Analog lovers: Please read/see first the system of this gentleman and after that read what he posted in that " if.. " thread: https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/682 https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/vinyl-what-if/post?postid=1706764#1706764 and his cartridge is a superior one that maybe only a few of you have that cartridge quality level overall performance. R. |
Dear @sleepwalker65 : When in any system the overall set up was made it in specific for the digital alternatice can shows at its best then the analog alternative in that same audio system will performs with a higher quality level as never before. Yes, we must to try it ! ! ! and learn on that specific regards. R. |
Don't forget phono stage is the most sensitive/ delicate part of the entire set up. If your phono amp creates early stage of noise it can be multiplied several times you can have awful lot of noise. Which you may not find in digital set up. One has to spend many time the bucks to have a good vinyl set up. I also find if one has a good tube amp and preamp set up you could achieve pretty detailed sound.Never the less to say vinyl will have better detail but at a very high cost. If you are a person like me, listening to couple hours, nothing like changing digital music to your taste right on your device.This is relaxation not LAZY. With vinyl you not only need a good cartridge, you need a good turntable, good phono stage . I presently have a Rega p3, with Othofon quintet black cart($850) with simply phono preamp ( $2200) still its not good enough for me. I will need to spend about 10K to get what I want. |
Yes, I spent the equivalent of $22K, a VPI TNT VI plus, modified SME IV, Benz Ruby 3, Townsend Seismic Sink, Audio Interface SUT and phono pre-amp. My CD players cost $6K (EAR Acute) and $150 (mod. Pioneer DVD D-05). Plus additional ICs and A/C cabling. Vinyl often better than equivalent CD but 90% of CDs sound great versus 20% of vinyl (I have many U.S. pressings of Angel and Columbia labels, (all inferior to CD remasterings) for instance. . |
Der @tzh21y : Good for that people that listen digital alternative too. Pitty/sad for you that do not yet even that through this and other threads are wide explanation/evidence and facts why you should be. That you like to " live in the error " does not means you are rigth because you are not. Btw, did you try any of the digital/LP comparisons in your own system of those recordings I posted to sleepwalker65?, not yet? then till you test it your posts are absolutely useless nd futile for everyone, you included. R. |
“CD is for casual listening. Vinyl is for serious listening” I humbly disagree with your statement. Serious listening is not format dependent....I can confidently say that I experience same level of pride and joy in listening to my favorite artists on CD’s as well as streaming through Qobuz/Tidal. It’s not one component, it’s a sum of all in your system. The CD’s and streaming formats are just as good as Vinyl if you have paid the same level of attention in setting them up as you did with TT. You read it right....I repeat again, just as good. For casual or serious listening, $1K TT is not any better than a $200 CD player. |
I have a Marantz SA-10 and it's a great player. I have a Acoustic Signiture Final Tool with upgraded platter with 24 silencers and upgraded motors. Graham 2.2 ceramic tonearm with a Dynavector 20x2 cartridge amplified by an Acoustech PH1P phono preamp. Listening to "Jackie Blue" by TOMDs the vinyl was a clear winner. More musical and the high frequencies on the lead guitar was purer sweeter and extended. The Marantz can be a killer sometimes. It all comes down to the recording. This time was not. Elizabeth what setting might I try. I have it on mode 1 but actually haven't tried the others |
No problem hind end. In case you didn’t notice (as most wallflowers / flakes don’t participate, but only stalk, due to their lack of courage or intellect) this thread was the top thread for this forum for over one month. Maybe next time you can come up with a response that’s actually on topic and doesn’t make you look like a fool. Buh -bye. |
Digital never had a chance. As soon as the laser strikes the disc the game is over. The laser scattered light and the vibration and flutter of the disc prevent the real data from ever getting to the DAC. The sound quality is permanently degraded in the initial one millionth of a second and never recovers. And can never be recovered. It’s no wonder there’s been a continuous barrage of higher bit rates and sampling rates and “higher resolution” formats, upsampling, downsampling, remasters, all because the initial problems were never resolved. Hel-loo! |
Geoff, When I rip a cd with EAC it compares my bits to the results that other people got when they ripped with EAC and my rip usually matches other people’s rips exactly. EAC reads the data on a cd at least twice and if the reads don’t match exactly, it reads the bits at least 16 times and if the bits don’t match exactly at least 8 times, it keeps on reading. I may not have gotten all that exactly right, but how can EAC rip with such certainty if, according to you, a laser can never read a cd correctly. I’m not sure that EAC rips perfectly every bit, maybe you or someone else knows what the level of resolution it operates at. The answer to my question is not that EAC is a fraud. |
That’s pretty much what we were told about CD players all along and CDs. That error correction corrects any errors and the laser tracking servo mechanism keeps the laser on track in the face of any wobbling or fluttering. In other words CD is perfect sound forever. If EAC works as you describe copies should be much better sounding than the original in terms of sound quality. If it’s only marginally better then I’d be suspicious. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. |
rauliruegas"If I'm rigth and you are a seller then the place for you and your seller mind belongs to the Agon advertasing list" This is false, wrong, and incorrect there is nothing in the rules, guidelines, and policies of Audiogon that limits, restricts, or forbids posting and use of the forum by those selling something and by the way "Raul" you are also selling something you are trying to sell us on the theory, notion, and concept that you are an expert, authority, and visionary when you are none of them! |
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