CD Got Absolutely Crushed By Vinyl

bsmg, no one wants you to forsake your analog music production. Can you grasp that concept? If yes, good.  

Next concept.  The world  is not all about you.  I'm guessing you'll have more trouble with that one.

bsmg,  No, it's not all about me.  I learned long ago that the world couldn't care less about me.  Well it could, but we're talking about micro particles  of caring, for all practical purposes it couldn't care less.

pigdog,  Yes.  In your home what matters is what you like.  Same for bsmg.  If you enjoy analog and dislike digital, then enjoy analog as much as you can and keep digital out.  Don't even let it be mentioned.

However, when we get out into the wider world, you will come across people who have decided that digital sounds better or works better for them for whatever reason.  These people are not idiots or enemies, they are just people who listen to a different audio format.  

There's just something about human nature that makes us want to choose up sides and fight, though.  Maybe it's our tribal origins.  

There are analog systems that sound better than a lot of digital systems and digital systems that sound better than a lot of analog systems.  Many people enjoy listening to both analog and digital. There's no right or wrong, only personal preference or circumstance.  

Whoops.  I meant to say analog music REproduction.

Nor do they theoretically understand that for as long as humans are humans and not enhanced humanoids digital will never sound as good as analogue because there is a conversion and certain things are lost and distorted.

Totally agree

Keep patting yourselves on the back, guys. You are mistaking smugness for smarts.

Well, maybe small minded is a little harsh. How about short-sighted.

It would be great if we could get past the "my format rules, yours sucks" dynamic on these forums one day.

Are you offended?
Try to tell any serious record collector that he's better off with CDs and it will be the greatest joke.

No, I'm not offended and I don't tell anyone what to listen to.  I have no beef with record collectors. 

I think that people who believe  that whatever they like is the best and always will be are a little small minded though.

Do you guys read TAS?  In the January 2019 issue Jonathan Valin, the hard-core analog guy at the magazine, reviewed the MSB Reference Transport and DAC.  He starts his conclusion by saying, " The guy who railed against digital is now listening happily to same."  He owns literally hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of analog gear.  The MSB gear is not cheap at around $80,000, but it is cheap compared to his analog gear.   And that's not even MSB's best DAC.   

If you're open minded at all, read the review.  If not, go on believing that you have the best sounding audio in the world.  That won't make it true though.

So this is not about enjoying music for you guys. Listening to music is not like religion. Many people enjoy Lp, Cd, streaming, tape, live, etc. Some of you guys are more like a cult where you cut yourself off from people who are not part of the cult. But as we used to say, it’s a free country, so knock yourselves out.

Yeah, but I heard that most music has been recorded digitally for quite a while now. Older analog tape recordings are often converted to digital for mixing and mastering too and once all that analog information has been lost you can’t get it back.

Chakster:

If you have no passion for records why do you need a turntable?
It’s never too late to start, but it’s not about quality as much as you may think (especially with entry level turntable), it’s about record collecting, digging, it’s more like a life style, an expensive hobby.

sleepwalker,  reality check:

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/vinyl-what-if

Geoff, When I rip a cd with EAC it compares my bits to the results that other people got when they ripped with EAC and my rip usually matches other people’s rips exactly. EAC reads the data on a cd at least twice and if the reads don’t match exactly, it reads the bits at least 16 times and if the bits don’t match exactly at least 8 times, it keeps on reading.

I may not have gotten all that exactly right, but how can EAC rip with such certainty if, according to you, a laser can never read a cd correctly.

I’m not sure that EAC rips perfectly every bit, maybe you or someone else knows what the level of resolution it operates at.

The answer to my question is not that EAC is a fraud.