@geoffkait : Your post here and in other threads are made it " provocative " for true audiophiles ask why you said what you say.
Anyway, never mind. Finish.
R.
Anyway, never mind. Finish.
R.
CD Got Absolutely Crushed By Vinyl
No comparison, CD always sounds so cold and gritty. Vinyl is so much warmer, smoother and has better imaging and much greater depth of sound. It’s like watching the world go by through a dirty window pane when listening to a CD. Put the same LP on the turntable and Voila! Everything takes on more vibrancy, fullness and texture.
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Der @tzh21y : Good for that people that listen digital alternative too. Pitty/sad for you that do not yet even that through this and other threads are wide explanation/evidence and facts why you should be. That you like to " live in the error " does not means you are rigth because you are not. Btw, did you try any of the digital/LP comparisons in your own system of those recordings I posted to sleepwalker65?, not yet? then till you test it your posts are absolutely useless nd futile for everyone, you included. R. |
Dear @sleepwalker65 : When in any system the overall set up was made it in specific for the digital alternatice can shows at its best then the analog alternative in that same audio system will performs with a higher quality level as never before. Yes, we must to try it ! ! ! and learn on that specific regards. R. |
Analog lovers: Please read/see first the system of this gentleman and after that read what he posted in that " if.. " thread: https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/682 https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/vinyl-what-if/post?postid=1706764#1706764 and his cartridge is a superior one that maybe only a few of you have that cartridge quality level overall performance. R. |
Btw, if for you or any other analog lover the CD in the audio system can't at least even the LP quality overall performance then there is a serious/critical problems with that system ( somewhere in one or some of thelinks in the system chain. ) whole set up or the quality of the CDP on that system. Personally I don't care what's wrong with you or any other anti-digital analog lovers. What I post here and elsewhere on this and other MUSIC/audio regards is only expose facts not just opinion or what I or don't like because what you or me like is unimportant. The star is MUSIC nothing less nothing more. R. |
Dear @sleepwalker65 : You started in this thread a " battle " that just before your OP you had totally lost. No matter what. You read the " other turn around thread "/opposite to this one and seems to me that unfortunatelly you did not understand all the facts posted there that unequivocally says that it’s vinyl whom is " dead " in the very first moment that appeared the 20/96 DACs. " CD is CD. What you put in is what you get out. If you are trying to compare another format to vinyl, that’s a different discussion. """ it’s incredibkle that you still want to win when you can’t do it. Your statement is an example of that and my answer to it is with other example: what needs a LOMC device for you can listen a sound coming from your speakers or a MM cartridge?, exactly it needs an analog rig. Well CD with out a CDP is just a CD where as with the cartridges can’t gives you any sound through your speakers. I hope you agree with all those. Your way of thinking on the CD/LP subject is a dead way of thinking and you are not alone , all those gentlemans that " die for vinyl " are like you: totally wrong and not because I say that but the facts in the other thread that I linked in this thread. Where are your and the other vinyl lovers ( I’m a vinyl lover but I understand the facts/reality. ) facts other that " I like it ". You have not a single one and is not your culprit because those facts on vinyl just does not exist ! ! ! Btw, do you already bougth the CD/LP I posted the link through amazon?, no: what are you waiting for: there you can find out facts not inexistent " illusions " Here other facts: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=alita+black+angel+cd&i=music-intl-ship&ref=nb_sb_noss I’m waiting for the LP. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=the+house+that+dirt+built&i=music-intl-ship&crid=1WYLJ39MKLS92&am... The House.... https://www.amazon.com/s?k=angels+%26+demons+original+motion+picture+soundtrack+cd&i=music-intl-... We all need to learn and for that each one of us need to have a positive attitude that permits that each one of us can be willing to learn, willing to grow-up to move on. On the CD subject you are living in 1965 but remember yhat in reality we all are living in 2019 with 2018 CDP. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear @sleepwalker65: This CD not only crushed vinyl but crushed your room/system if these are not up to the task: https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00QDX05A8/ref=tmm_acd_new_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=new&... Do it a favor and don't be foolished by vinyl, no way my friend. Today year 2019 digital is way superior to and from here ahead the digital distance between it and vinyl will be wider and wider because analog developments stopped to grow up as technology several years ago and digital is still growing up and even we can think is endless in this trend. Don't you think? R. |
Dear @inna @bsmg : """ digital will never sound as good as analogue because there is a conversion and certain things are lost and distorted. """ Same could happens when you listen your analog rig due that at the human been ears all of us have an ADC at the inner ear. We really don't/can't listen any sound from any source in true analog way because our brain detect that " sound " that goes into the ears after that " sound " pass through that ADC at the inner ear part not before. Please read this that is not my personal opinion but experts with scientific information of the human been: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/cd-got-absolutely-crushed-by-vinyl/post?postid=1693046#169304... We only have to be willing to learn, that's all. R. |
Dear analog and digital lovers: For we can truly enjoy the MUSIC in any home audio system that room/audio system needs to be a FULL range audio room/ system. That means not only that can goes not only down to 20hz and over 20khz but that in the case of the low bass range any passive speaker designs ( even if by design it shows full range specs: down to 20hz and over 30khz. ) must be mated in true stereo fashion with at least two self powered subwoofers where the main speakers will handled the frequencies from around 80hz and up and the subs 80hz and down . Any home system with passive stereo speakers can't honor MUSIC ( with any source alternative. ) with out a dedicated designed amplifier that meets exactly the woofer(s) needs for what was designed and the MUSIC needs to puts IMD and THD at minimum. Subwoofers more that anything are for stereo systems and as a side " line " need it for home theather. Not the other way around. @sleepwalker65, I can imagine you already know all those and you already have, don't you? R. |
Dear @prof : First than all I need to share with the Agon moderators what's means the word: ignorance, to avoid removes posts where that word is used by any one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance Now, you had this " battle " losted from the begining of the thread when the OP was and is not willing not to learn but even gives no single true fact where his thread statements are founded. Ignorance is the " mother " of all wars and here we have several gentlemans with extremely low knowledge levels on many audio/MUSIC citical subjects and no one of them posted ( till today ) any single fact that could proves what they posted. Only subjective bla, bla, bla,etc with out true and serious foundations. As I posted the issue here is not digital vs analog ( or any other discussions as: tube vs SS electronics or MM vs LOMC cartridges, etc, etc. ) but a really critical fact of so lower knowledge levels and it's really disappointed that in an analog forum we live that way. Yes, many gentlemans in that low end 15% and 70% average/mediocrity of the universe I pointed out before. This is for the Agon moderator gentlemans to avoid removes posts for any one uses the word mediocrity: https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/mediocrity here a confirmation: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mediocrity average=mediocrity. ( 3 ) Btw, we listen and perceive " sound " not only what pick up by the ears but what's pick up by the whole body: skin, hair, bones and everything through the all body that's full of individual ( trillions. ) of nervous terminations ( thousands of them by mm2. ) that works as zeros and ones, are not continuous. We are a digital very very old " technology " that did not started with digital audio but millions of years when appeared the human been on ou planet named earth. R. |
Dear @fleschler : You are rigth and for the ignorance of some gentlemans is totally useless to post to them because no one of them that showed here their very low knowledge levels ( in the OP specific subject. ) are not willing not to learn but just " can't read " . Seems to me that not even make any single effort to ask their self: why if I am wrong?. No way. Btw, yesterday I listened some CDs vs the same LPs recordings ( others CDs has no LP mates. ). One of them was the original soundtrack of the Flashdance movie. I had many many years that I did not lisented it and is a 1981 recording ( btw, great picture. ) and is just stunning and better way better than its LP mate but was not the only that outperformed its LP mates: several makes the same like the Foreigner 4 or The Wall or Gladiator or , or, or, Glory, Blade Runner, The Mission,Geisha, The Day After Tomorrow, or After Hours. Any one of us must listen The Thin Red Line: outstanding Again, the issue in this thread and almost any thread is the true and real knowledge levels/first hand experiences and skills of each one of us. In that Universe that I posted 70% of us are in the mediocrity of that Universe and even at lower levels ( 15% ) and at least me already made that long learning trip/tour to stay nearer to that broader/line between the top of the mediocrity to arrive at that very top end where I think only a few ( maybe less than that 15% of the Universe. ). I know at least two gentlemans at the top end and like me a few more that are in the line of the top end. Yes, I'm still learning from every one evrey where. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear @tablejockey : "
It isn't just that the sample rate is too low, ..." " The other problem is that with digital recording, aside from the harassment and the complication, there's the problem of not having dedicated buttons, you have to pushing a button and recording a track and pushing another button and recording another track. Looking at the screen, moving your hand, looking at the mouse and watching it. When I'm using the 24 track machine, I never look at it. I actually punch in and out with my foot. I've been doing it for 24 years. " The real problem there is that that interview came form 2004 !, 14 years ago ! ! ( Boston band Tom leader and recorder. ). Obviously that he can't knew that today ADC/DAC works at 32/768. So you link is totally useless for say the least. R. |
Dear @bac2vinyl : " BS statement..." Why is that, can you explain which is your foundation for your statement? Because what I posted is not my statement but what you and every single human been has in part of its whole " body ". That statement comes from scientific " medical " proved explanations, not a mere " theory " but rpoved facts. Where are your facts for your statement? did you already knew what I posted or is the very first time you read about that real facts? Yes, your first time. R. |
Dear @bsmg: """ ears are analog. " Whom told you that. Things are that we all have in our brain/ears an ADC. In reality our ears are digital: """ The Inner ear: By now, the audio signal has reached the inner ear, and that means the cochlea. This snail‑shaped organ is filled with liquid. Logically enough, it must be waterproof, in order to prevent any fluid leaking. This explains the purpose of the round window, a small, elastic membrane on the surface of the cochlea. Its purpose is to allow movement of the fluid inside the cochlea. Liquids are incompressible, and without this membrane, the fluid enclosed inside the cochlea would completely block the ossicle movements. Indeed, stiffening of the oval window can lead to hearing losses of about 60dB. Inside the cochlean we find the tectorial membrane, which moves along with the pressure variations of the cochlear fluid. As shown in Figure 3, above, this membrane is in contact with the cilia on the top of the hair cells. There are two kinds of hair cells. The outer hair cells are the actual receptors. When the tectorial membrane moves, so does the hair on the the outer cells. This movement is then encoded into electrical digital signals and goes to the brain through the cochlear nerve. The inner cells have a different role: when the audio signal gets louder, they stick themselves to the tectorial membrane in order to limit its movements, playing the role of another dynamic compressor.Figure 3: Inside the cochlea. """ This is not about analog vs digital but about each one knowledge levels. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear @milpai : """
BTW, I was not saying that analog is bad. So please don't feel offended. """ Certainly not, maybe a not good explanation from my part or a misunderstood on my post to you. The main issue when we have digital vs analog discussions or tube vs SS electronics or MM vs LOMC cartridges is that the proponent on each side normally are " married " with their proposals and never are WILLING TO really analize the " facts " of the other side and never are willing to try the other side experiences, many times like in this thread the proponent and its followers give no single true fact why they have reasons for their way of thinking and NEVER give the facts why the other side ( in this case: digital. ) is wrong. The adjectives they use are like: gestalt, warm, richness and the like. I already explain in wide way about and reasons&facts why are wrong adjectives. Who tolds all those gentlemans that home audio system is mainly something " subjective "? and I ask because that's what I usually had in my mind till I experienced " experiences " that told me that is " objective " not " subjective only " Why things normally work in that way: because, like in this thread, NO one of " that side " is willing to learn. Maybe because they could think they already learned all what they must do. Yes, they live in an " audio life error " and you can't do nothing about and that's the why in my first post to you. I love MUSIC, love analog and love digital too. Btw, in the Universe of home audio systems the 70% of audiophiles own " average " systems ( average=mediocrity. Look in a dictionary. ), 15% own very bad systems ( lower than average/mediocrity. ) and 15% at the top. On each case the main differences to stay on one or the other side of the 3 categories are the MUSIC/AUDIO TRUE AND REAL KNOWLEDGE LEVELS AND SKILLS of each one of us and if we always are WILLING TO LEARN. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear @sleepwalker65; """
digital is only an imitation, analog is the real and lasting thing. """ Really? how did you arrived to that no sense statement or where did you experienced that? where? Where are your facts, the true and real foundation for that statement. Did you understand what @mikelavigne posted?, seems to me that you did not. I followed @mikelavigne just from I started in Agon when I were looking for " fantastic " room audio systems and let me tell you that in Agon and in other internet forums exist several way more expensive systems that the one Mike owns. The main difference why I always " listen " when he speaks is that almost all the other truly truly expensive systems are more hardware lovers than true MUSIC Lovers and @mikelavigne belongs to these ones. It's not only about money but self knowledge levels. He is a MUSIC lover no mtters the media source and he is wise enough to listen and likes the digital alternative too. IMHO, this is the kind of gentlemans where we all always have something to learn if we are willing to learn but it looks you are not and like to follow people with very low udio/music knowledge levels. Good for you because you live hppy with and this is for you what it matters. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear @sleepwalker65 : I can't agree with you but I hope you can agree with this. Please read it with an " open mind " and for a " minute " forgeret about LPs and forgeret of what you are accustomed to listen in your room/system: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/turntable-got-absolutely-crushed-by-cd/post?postid=1684132#16... I like both formats. R. |