How about Klipschorn AK6 speakers? Amazing dynamic range and transient response. Not neutral (musical) by a long way, but, very exciting to listen to.
Best speaker brands for transient response
Hello all, first post / longtime lurker on here. I have really appreciated all I've learned from following threads on here -- much appreciated.
I've had three speakers in my house for a few years, and have learned that transient response is the quality I value most. I'm researching upgrade options and would appreciate recommendations on brands.
Currently I have KLH Model 3s, JBL 4305Ps, and JBL Studio 590s. The sealed KLHs are far superior in transient response / speed / attack. The 4305Ps are pretty good (I'm assuming because they're active) and the 590s, while they do a lot of things well, are relative laggards.
I am assuming that on average a sealed design at any given price point will outperform a ported speaker in this area of performance, but I'm sure there are important exceptions.
I'm also curious if more expensive ported horn speakers (Klipsch heritage line, or the JBL 4349 for example) may deliver equal or better in transient response compared to a lower cost sealed speaker because they're using better drivers, crossovers, etc.
Thank you for any feedback / ideas you have.
+1 to @james633 ’s post. I have JBL 4349’s and enjoy them. Most audiophiles will dismiss these cabinets, but I have found they are very smooth, able to play at very low volume with accuracy and detail, but still able to play at full tilt and fill a room with that same accuracy and detail; a very enjoyable experience. The compression driver and waveguide are (only in my opinion) a home run by JBL for this price point in their lineup. To your question about if a more expensive ported cabinet will sound better than a lesser sealed cabinet, many times the rule "you get what you pay for" will apply (not always, but typically it does). From my experience, an inexpensively designed sealed cabinet with cheaper components will be outperformed by a ported cabinet with great components (drivers, crossover design/components, cabinet material, etc.). I would not dismiss a speaker just because it’s ported. If the designer has done the work, porting will not ruin the experience even if one favors sealed designs. Feel free to see my 4349's on my system page. |
@jasonbourne71 thank you the Revelas look great and are in budget. |
@mitchagain thank you, those speakers are stunning. Need to find pricing info on them. |
Thanks to all the ESL recommendations -- I clearly need to take a close look at them and they were not on my radar at all. @jkf011 thanks I will be buying Parasound (either the Hint 6 or separates) so I should be able to handle maggies. I need to see where their Chicago dealers are. I've never heard them.
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@james633 thank you for your response. The first target speaker I had in mind was the 4349 (I LOVE my 4035Ps). The 4367 is not in my budget. The target effects I use to test transiency are the crash-to-ring transient of a cymbal, fingers going across guitar strings, snare drum tightness, the added nasal ring of an out-of-phase Fender strat, the breaths a singer takes, etc. I have a few songs that I use for test purposes. I've AB tested the KLH 3s and the 590s at my old house in a well-treated room and for my ears the 3s bested the 590s in transiency. The 3s are in a equally good room in my new house and I'm going to AB test them with the 4305s. I've been reluctant to do it because of the size difference and active vs passive, and I've only used the 4305s in near field, but it's worth seeing what I learn. And thank you for your offer to AB your 590s and your 4367s but I'll save you from back strain ;) I know my 590s very well and my listening experience with my 4305s have already made clear to me that those best the 590s in a lot of ways. The ASR review of the 4349 identified the crossover on the compression driver as a potential concern (the commentors, not Amir). But I have no doubt based on the price points of my current gear that I will be blown away by them. |
All speakers sound sluggish/lazzy/slow/fat to me. And a boomer bass. Yes, some sound “nice” but fake. Only Tocaro speakers fit the bill and the only speaker I’m willing to pay more than $100. I have the 50F which is the top model and costs ~35k. 103dB sensitivity, 100% in-house production. Two 15” woofers, no electronic crossover. Truly unique and unreal results. |
@phusis +1 @james633 +1 |
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I can probably answer your question directly as I own the JBL 590 and JBL 4367. I have played them back to back in the same room. I agree with Phusis and would add it is all about “power to weight” of the system. Speakers are a mechanical system and it is all about power transfer… nothing more. There are a number of things that affect it.
big drivers that don’t move much or lots of smaller drivers that work together to not move much (line source, live venues). then there are horn and driver shading (line sources) that increase directivity which also can make things more dynamic. It is important to talk about the same thing. What are dynamics to you? Is there a specific frequency you listen for? For me it is most notable in the drums. Does the leading edge “hit”, does the snare snap? Also low bass can greatly affect our perception of dynamics. That 50hz bass drum is critical. Maybe the seal speaker loads your room in the bass better/different. anyway the 4367 is the most dynamic speaker I have ever heard/owned. I am often shocked at older music of my youth (Grunge/80s metal) which seemed totally dull from a recording standpoint now has some punch/snap to it. Audiophile stuff is easy and sound great as expected. I am not sure how much of that is found in the 4349 as I have not heard them. There is a bit of magic to getting the compression driver crossed over as low as possible and the 4349 is still pretty high as 1500hz. Where the 4367 is at 700ish. That to me is the biggest difference between the two speakers. I need to listen to the 590s again to comment on them directly regarding dynamics. I was more interested in comparing detail and frequency response. If you want my opinion on the 590 vs 4367 for dynamics just let me know and I can listen again. The 590s are my rear speakers so not a big deal to move them. |
Another vote for ESL. It's (transients) what made me fall in love with the technology. Super fast. The only catch is a narrow sweet spot. "Head in a vice" is a bit hyperbolic, but they do sound best when in a 2-3 foot sweet spot. The store in Glenview has a pair of Neoliths, but they aren't on display right now (remodeling the showroom). |
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If you're willing to buy used, the VMPS RM30, VMPS RM40 with most of the upgrades are extremely dynamic, transparent, and electrostatic like in their sound, with their ribbon mids and tweeters. They also have multiple cone woofers with passive radiators to handle the bass and mid bass. Used price for these are between $1800 up to $3500 depending on model and upgrades. They are adjustable so they can sound great in most rooms and systems. They are no longer being made as the maker, Brian Cheney, passed away 12 years ago. Much info on VMPS speakers--Audio Circle. I've compared them to several highly rated speakers and always preferred them. I live in the Chicago area if you'd like to hear an awesome pair of RM40 BCSE w/MLS cabinets. These were the actual reference speakers of Marty DeWulf of Bound For Sound publications. I bought his pair about 10 years ago. Every little or big upgrade is easily detected and I've done many. These are big heavy speakers--66" H and 260 lbs each. Bob
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@audiotroy It seems that you think that cone speakers play louder. OK, we can agree on that. But the OP is talking about transient response. @sunmoon explains why ESL’s do that better than others, excepting plasma. I don’t understand how your statement "equal and opposite reactions cancel each other out," relates to ESL’s. |
@mofojo thank you I'll look into Paradigms -- appreciate the suggestion. |
@mapman it is true that the KLH 3s are in by far my best room. But in AB testing in my previous home the 3s did better than the 590s. But that may not be true for my 4305Ps. I should AB test them. Thank you for that suggestion.. |
Sunmoon hardly accurate a planer has physics going against them equal and opposite reactions cancel each other out hence any box-less loudspeaker will have limited transient response a high efficiency dynamic loudspeaker will have far greater dynamic response. look at Wilson audio with a suitable amplifier or for less money an alta audio loudspeaker. at axponna their Adam sounded as good as the 40k Wilson Daw just extraordinary.
Dave and Troy Audio Intellect NJ Alta Audio dealers
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Just my personal opinion but entire KEF meta line with proper amplification might fit your bill. Just choose the model that fits your budget and good quality gear upstream to match. Another suggestion would be to just try adding room correction to your setup. I find most any good quality speaker these days does very well once you remove the artifacts of room acoustics that often tend to muddy the waters. |
Thank you @avanti1960 that is a great suggestion and just under my target budget. Much appreciated!
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Electrostatics are the best transducers for revealing inner detail and transients beyond any others, key reasons being dictated by the laws of physics,
Let your ears be the judge when you audition your reference tracks in a back to back comparison! Happy auditions! |
The Spendor D series are extremely fast speakers. I had the D7 and now the D7.2 and am amazed at the transient quickness. Read the Stereophile review of the D7. A jack of all trades speaker that has the quikness of horn speakers with the refinement and transparency of quality box speakers. Recently demoed some Klipsch Heritage and thought they were slow by comparison. |