Are audiophiles still out of their minds?
@rodman99999 ...or moths, with a love/hate attraction to flames....😏 A subset of 'splinter groups'....always getting under ones' skin. That last little bit, that you have to let grow out...lest you attack with an Xacto knife. ...and make it Worse....*sick L-ter* "Welcome Fellow Sufferer, to our 1K Step Program!* |
@thyname -
They'd be HILARIOUS, were they not so pathetic! Kind of a perpetual Greek Tragicomedy, or: Soap Opera (UGH). |
@thyname ....of course we do...because some 'issues' just won't go away... Differences between speakers tend to be obvious; equipment a bit more subtle.... But cables? 8g v. 22g on a speaker I'd grant... It starts to creep into 'dog whistle' territory, figuratively and technically. Electron flow is the stuff one would expect from CERN....🙄 |
@russellrcncom : I understand your urge to post on the topic any chance you get (you guys always do, it's your type of hobby), but you realize you are replying to the OP from June , 2016?? Which is 7 (seven) years ago. I guess the "rage against the machines" still rages on. |
Dracule: you make too much sense to be on this site. Have any of these ”enlightened” audiophiles ever reflected on why there are literally hundreds of cable manufacturers, or why some nay-sayers like Jason Bourne have been tarred and feathered on this site when all he was doing was stating that in his experience he didn’t notice a difference (count me in this group as well - but I know, don’t tell me: either my hearing is off or my system is not resolving enough to hear a difference). the proliferation of cable companies exist for a reason: it’s a money-making racket. Sorry that the truth hurts. |
....*LOL*.....Yup, "it depends..." Depth of wallet, tenacity, sheer 'IMHO' (spoken with gritted teeth, pounding the keys), and any variable one wants to prod, skewer, or merely tease the viewer(s) with. Hi, Geo....*G* Some things never change, huh? ;) (I'm certainly a 'worse case scenario' on my own POV and *ah* 'fobilies', but...Please, do carry on....beats late night television...*L*) |
Are audiophiles out of their minds for spending (relatively) large amounts of money on cables? Having been in the business and seen the margins on expensive cables, and having heard the frankly BS stories attached to many of them, first reaction is "yes, that's ludicrous." But: It's no crazier than what some people do with cars, or boats, or bicycles, or travel, or furniture, etc. If it makes people happier, then how crazy is it? Sure, if someone is spending the mortgage payment on an interconnect, that's a poor choice, but let's be real - most of us aren't doing that. It's all for fun, so have fun! |
I just have to add that now that I’ve removed the source’s PC from the same outlet as the integrated, the sound has clean up measurably. I didn’t think it would be as dramatic an improvement but it goes to show that there’s always the potential to improve. When new, I put both PCs into the same outlet and thought I heard a "lessening" of sorts but wrote it off to the PCs being new and needing break in. Well, it’s been 300-400 hours since and I couldn’t believe the amount of feedback hash that the integrated was putting into the wall outlet and being picked up by the PC for the SACD player. Putting it into my Blue Circle Thingee on the other outlet did nothing untoward and everything for the betterment. Highs have extended, sibilance is greatly reduced, there’s more micro dynamics, and greater see-through and expression. I never realized just how much can be attained by following the basics. The trouble is, there is so much debate on this: outlets, isolation, conditioners, et al that one doesn’t know what to believe until they try. All the best, Nonoise |
o_holter Vince Galbo at MSB put together the following piece that explains the merits of avoiding line modulation. I use 10 gauge all the way to my isolation transformer. http://www.msbtech.com/support/wiring.php?Page=supportHome This wiring concept, a proper star grounding system and equipment isolation are the first steps in a holistic electrical design that will facilitate experiments showing the differences in cables. |
Cables are about electricity. Thinking about my own experience over the years, the main jump forward was making a separate high grade audiophile circuit, ca ten years ago. I contracted an electrician and we did the job together. At first he protested, was this big cable really needed, we had to drag it halfway around the house. I assured him it was. The cable runs into a breaker box with three local circuits, two 15 ampere and one 10 ampere (230 volts). The system sounded much better on this circuit than the 10 ampere "lamp circuit" already in the room, so I have never looked back. |
danvignau 70 posts 07-02-2016 10:22am There is a very small difference in the handling on my sports car with the absolute best tires I can get, and no the girls don't care. But why do we need to impress the boys with our toys? You need to get an Alfa, dude. Then you will see how much difference tires make. |
Wouldn't a system look cheap to your rich friends if you used non-designer cables on a six figure (or much more) system? There is a very small difference in the handling on my sports car with the absolute best tires I can get, and no the girls don't care. But why do we need to impress the boys with our toys? That is not all that matters, but it does to me. Besides, there is this one switchback over a railroad track; there is the Dragon at Deals Gap; and, there is the autocross track.... ...and there are the fellows who spend all their money on their cars who like to hear my music.. Tee Hee.
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audiolabyrinthandbirdiemayarecommericalshills 11 posts 06-29-2016 2:20am geoffkait3,657 posts06-28-2016 10:58pmaudiolabyrinthandbirdiemayarecommericalshills 10 posts 06-28-2016 8:01am @geoffkait , curiosity it useful. Let me know when you're determined. Lay it on me, Stringbean. Be gentle. Geoff, truthfully if I published all I know about a couple of members on here, i'd be suspended or banned within 24hrs & receive reprisal attacks in return (as has happened before). Been there, done that. Not getting down in the sewer again. Besides, I think i've said all I need to say already.. I wish to avoid all that sort of thing, personal characterizations and so forth. I thought you were referring to the truth involved with cables. My bad. Geoff Kait Machina Dynamica |
Geoff, truthfully if I published all I know about a couple of members on here, i'd be suspended or banned within 24hrs & receive reprisal attacks in return (as has happened before). Been there, done that. Not getting down in the sewer again. Besides, I think i've said all I need to say already.. |
audiolabyrinthandbirdiemayarecommericalshills 9 posts 06-27-2016 10:13pm Just the facts, Jack? What about the truth? If I posted the truth in this thread, I would be subjected to trolling attacks to discredit me in an effort to restore the status quo. The truth? I know it, but you can’t handle it. I will just say the rabbit hole runs deep.. I'm intrigued. ;-) |
mapman 13,425 posts 06-27-2016 11:32am "TL is a reference to Tara Labs I believe. When people read or hear teh words of others, its always a judgement call. People’s perceptions matter and do not always match the facts even if the facts are made clearly available. Its just the way things are and good for one to be aware of as opposed to banking on facts alone." As Bill Murray shouts in his marching routine in front of the army brass, "Just the facts, Jack!" As Bob Dylan says, "You have many contacts Among the lumberjacks To get you facts When someone attacks your imagination..." “There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact.” ― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Boscombe Valley Mystery ;-) |
TL is a reference to Tara Labs I believe. When people read or hear teh words of others, its always a judgement call. People's perceptions matter and do not always match the facts even if the facts are made clearly available. Its just the way things are and good for one to be aware of as opposed to banking on facts alone. |
Silly question and am embarrassed to ask, but what does "TL" mean?The reference to TL in the post you are referring to means "TARA Labs." Not a silly question, though. Regards, -- Al |
Geoffkait 6-27-2016 10:08am EDTTo be sure it's clear, I have not stated or implied any such conclusion. I was simply stating my interpretation of the last sentence in the gentleman's post, and I was stating it because the meaning of the reference in that sentence to "genuine audiophiles" was subsequently questioned. But I agree that any such conclusion would be a judgment call, and I agree that in many cases the facts may be hard to discern with any kind of certainty. Regards, -- Al |
Check this out http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=963125&gclid=Cj0KEQjwncO7BRC06snzrdSJ...= ...and don't loose your mind anymore. |
almarg 6,490 posts 06-27-2016 8:34am Geoff, the relevant part of his post was: The problem is, there is too much misinformation/aka: b**s*** posted on this forum about TL and cables with fantastic magnets inside by posters who every man and his dog on here knows are NOT [emphasis added] genuine audiophiles. One man’s misinformation or disinformation is another man’s information. It is one of the challenges of high end audio to figure out what is the truth in a minefield of misinformation and disinformation. I do not think any of us has a lock on what is bs and what is not bs on all topics, including the topic of exotic cables. Cheers, Geoff Kait |
Almarg wrote, ""TL" is an obvious reference to a certain brand of very expensive cables, if that isn’t clear. "Cables with fantastic magnets" is an obvious reference to another brand of very expensive cables." I’m hip. I didn’t fall off the turnip truck yesterday. almarg also wrote, "Each of those cables is the subject of a very long-running and lengthy thread here, and in each of those threads the most prominent advocate of those cables is an individual who at times has been claimed by certain posters in the thread to be, um, insincere." Your conclusion is a judgement call, I’d opine, as to whether someone is being over zealous, insincere or dishonest, or shilling for someone. But I actually don’t think one can discern the difference between enthusiasm and insincerity or even shilling on the Internet so easily any more than one can detect irony or sarcasm is certain posts. Almarg also wrote, "Or to use some of my words that you quoted, to be "attempting to disguise an interest in promoting a product." In other words, to NOT be a "genuine audiophile," with "genuine" meaning something along the lines of "sincere," as I said." Actually, the more I think about it there is no prohibition against promoting a product on this audio forum. I mean other than a manufacturer promoting his own product out of the blue. Cheers, G. Kait, Machina Dynamica |
What is the definition of an Audiophile? I should have thought about this before as Wikipedia seems to do a nice job with the definition below: An audiophile is a person enthusiastic about high-fidelity sound reproduction.[1] Audiophile values may be applied at all stages of music reproduction: the initial audio recording, the production process, and the playback, which is usually in a home setting. A key goal of audiophiles is to capture the experience of a live musical performance in a room with good acoustics, and reproduce it at home. It is widely agreed that this is very difficult and that even the best-regarded recording and playback systems rarely, if ever, achieve it.[2][3] |
