I am not sure about ODSE ever being DSD compatible. Maby Steve can chime in on that. I'm still not on the DSD wagon as the mass of my music is red book (hence the thread title). I got the K-01 to play discs and convert DSD from the computer. I'm curious to see how the K-01's DAC compares red book to the ODSE.
I tried listening to my turntable today. Something's amiss. It plays but sounds thin. I need someone with analog experience over to help.... Sigh.
Still cooking the esoteric. I'm putting Wed aside to listen to my ODSE. Now that it's fully burned in, I want to make sure it sounds as good as the demo ODSE I had. Then I'll start listening to the esoteric a bit more and reporting.
Word on the DSD-S front is that it's on its way back. I need more time!!
For those who appreciate it, I have a brand new Yamaha C2X grand piano being delivered Monday afternoon. I'm VERY excited. And my son, who really makes those ivory's singe, is even more excited.
Also, next Saturday I'm picking up a 2013 Porsche Boxster S PDK/sport chrono pack/active suspension management & torque vectoring. Got it certified pre-owned for a steal!
Not showing off at all, just really excited about some of my audiophile related and not so related hobbies! |
I'm sorry grannyring, please forgive me, I just did not want everyone to believe I came up with those numbers of burn-in for the Esoteric K-01 player, I was only passing along what has been told to me over the last year from the forums concerning the burn-in proccess of the player, nor did I want to appear as if I was a liar, or did not know what I was talking about, or that I am OcD!, cheers. |
AudioL we are on the same page. |
The Overdrive DAC will likely not support DSD in the future. I have another DAC design in mind for DSD.
Steve N.
Empirical Audio |
Matt, what specific DSD have you heard to date? Is it only the upsampling entities such as the Meitner or Directstream? Looks like you still need to hear the Aesthetix piece. Also, next Saturday I'm picking up a 2013 Porsche Boxster S PDK/sport chrono pack/active suspension management & torque vectoring. Got it certified pre-owned for a steal! I am sure your wife will be thrilled....;/ |
Thankyou grannyring, cheers. |
AGear. Not sure what your deal is with the persistent commentary about my wife, but she had no problem with the car. Her issue is in regards to having a big ugly stereo and acoustic treatments in our office.
And I have not heard a lot of DSD at this time. Although the DSD library is growing, it's not extensive for my tastes yet. |
Yes really gentlemen, comments re Mattnshilp's wife are inappropriate at best. Those who post such comments clearly don't get. Let it be a learning experience for you.'Wife' comments are sexist, and disrespectful. I'll stop here.
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9-07-14: Bander
Yes really gentlemen, comments re Mattnshilp's wife are inappropriate at best. Those who post such comments clearly don't get. Let it be a learning experience for you.'Wife' comments are sexist, and disrespectful. I'll stop here. Lord have mercy. What a serious (and PC) crowd. It was actually a subtle car joke albeit a sexist one. |
My impression is that Agear's comments are tongue in cheek and are meant to be light hearted fun. Many participants on this site often refer to their wives (and for legitimate reasons). Their input does sometimes impose "limits" on what an audiophile husband can do in regard to spending budget and imposition of the audio system in a shared/room/space. That's the simple reality of compromise for many adults who Co habitat. How this common fact can be considered sexist or disrespectful is political correctness gone over the edge. Men and women both have to give (and take) in a happy long term relationship.
Charles, |
Gents, let us return to audio-centric topics please. G. |
Gents, let us return to audio-centric topics please. G. No thanks to Sharia Law Agear, attacking and disrespecting women on an audio site. Agear doing what Agear does best. Audio ISIS. Unfortunately we're sure what his particular cause is....: I would report him to Audiogon and homeland security. LOL!!! |
09-07-14: Charles1dad
My impression is that Agear's comments are tongue in cheek and are meant to be light hearted fun. Charles knows this well as I have broadsided him multiplied times on his own system thread. 09-07-14: Joecasey
Gents, let us return to audio-centric topics please. G.
No thanks to Sharia Law Agear, attacking and disrespecting women on an audio site. Agear doing what Agear does best. Audio ISIS. Unfortunately we're sure what his particular cause is....: Ha! I am just a more extreme version of you... As far as I am concerned, wives are fair game. Just last night, I was fiddling in my audio room, dutifully organizing some DSD files, and I got a text from the wife (who happens to be 7 months pregnant): "Can't fall asleep. My legs are achy." I believe she wanted a massage for her varicosities.... My response was apparently too slow and this nastigram followed: "Too busy talking to a damn audio dweeb to help your wife"? She looked over as I was typing this (she calls it Audiogon yellow) and asked: "do all the audio dweebs come out at night"? My jihad against the opposite gender shall continue.... |
Hi Guido,
You have to admit that WAF is one of the quintessential audiophile topics.Just check the archives and see how frequently this term is used. Okay back to discussing extended burn in hours for the Esoteric players.
Charles, |
09-07-14: Charles1dad
How this common fact can be considered sexist or disrespectful is political correctness gone over the edge. It's OK to joke/be tongue in cheek when it's a comment on your OWN wife, but not acceptable if it's SOMEONE ELSE'S wife. Geez I'm not even married and I get it. |
Yes, Agear was appropriate and being his humorous self. The subject of the "wife" is squarely on topic and peppered throughout a multitude of Agon threads. Read " The Audiophile's Wife" blog and have a good laugh! |
Your a strange man AGear.....
Nothing new to report. Hoping I have some time wed to do some listening. I must be crazy. Considering my abject lack of free time, I should just invest in a good pair of ear buds and load up my iPhone and give up....
But I won't! |
Mattnshilp then you will need a HIFIMAN 901 with balanced card and the Mr. Speakers Alpha Dog headphones with good cables. It's not a free ride with portable audio. |
09-08-14: Mattnshilp
Your a strange man AGear..... +1 |
09-08-14: Mattnshilp
Your a strange man AGear.....
Nothing new to report. Hoping I have some time wed to do some listening. I must be crazy. Considering my abject lack of free time, I should just invest in a good pair of ear buds and load up my iPhone and give up....
But I won't! Unlike Joecasey, there is a method to my madness. If you lived with my wife, you would be in an endless state of jihad too. Did you get my car joke yet? An iPod with a good set of buds is very pleasing as is ambient music via a Sonos. In my weaker moments, I share the same sentiment.... |
Mtruong34,
Different perspectives I imagine. You're unmarried, I've been very happily married 27 years. My wife has a wonderful wit and sense of humor and would understand Agear's context and find the comments funny.Agear your wife seems to have a wry sense of humor and gets it. Neither would need well meaning but condescending defense of their gender. They can handle it and dish it out.
Charles, |
Ha! I am just a more extreme version of you... Please don't insult me. I'm nothing like you, Radical Sharia Law ISSI Muhammad Agear. You are the definition of War On Women. BTW, do they allow audiophiles under Sharia Law? In 2 years, we will be under Sharia Law or speaking Russian so making preparations. FORE!!! |
Ah Grannyrig, I still miss your wife's blog! Can't we have a yearly, nay monthly, installment? |
Audiowoman, great to hear from you!
My wife got a kick out of your use of the word "nay" and said that was enough for her to think about it. |
OK OK, I 'll try to lighten up. |
Matt,
It seems like Aesthetix isn't going to send you a Romulus/Pandora Signature for your test.
After you pick the winner from the ones you've listened to,
you could send it to me and I'll compare it to the Pandora
Signature here. |
Hi there Agear! I loved your description of your wife's comments. I showed them to my wife and she asked if she could have her email. She looked over as I was typing this (she calls it Audiogon yellow) and asked:
"do all the audio dweebs come out at night"? My 11 year-old son saw this and said "But you're not a dweeb dad". So there is still hope for me. |
Ah hah Grannyring- there you have it - the power of words. Tell your wife I'll be looking forward to the next installment! |
Hey Grannyring, was it really your wife? If so, kudos to her.
It was a very enjoyable blog! |
Yes, my wonderful wife. Remember the events are greatly exaggerated :) |
09-08-14: Charles1dad
Mtruong34,
Different perspectives I imagine. You're unmarried, I've been very happily married 27 years. My wife has a wonderful wit and sense of humor and would understand Agear's context and find the comments funny.Agear your wife seems to have a wry sense of humor and gets it. Neither would need well meaning but condescending defense of their gender. They can handle it and dish it out.
Charles, Well said Charles. My wife is an acid tongued shrew who will verbally castrate you in a moments notice. PC underwear or not, you are still a dweeb in her site Mrtruong. I made the mistake of taking her to Axpona a few years ago, and I never heard the end of it. |
09-09-14: Hchilcoat
Hi there Agear! I loved your description of your wife's comments. I showed them to my wife and she asked if she could have her email.
She looked over as I was typing this (she calls it Audiogon yellow) and asked:
"do all the audio dweebs come out at night"?
My 11 year-old son saw this and said "But you're not a dweeb dad". So there is still hope for me. Howard! Good to hear from you. I will PM you Heather's email. As for your son's comment, he won't realize the truth until he leaves home for good....:/ |
09-09-14: Audiowoman
Ah hah Grannyring- there you have it - the power of words. Tell your wife I'll be looking forward to the next installment! An elegant economy of words Audiowoman. Me likey. Heather loved Bill's wife's blog as well and asked if she could make contributions. Maybe it could be a collective affair....not sure how I feel about that.... |
09-08-14: Charles1dad
Mtruong34,
Different perspectives I imagine. You're unmarried, I've been very happily married 27 years. My wife has a wonderful wit and sense of humor and would understand Agear's context and find the comments funny.Agear your wife seems to have a wry sense of humor and gets it. Neither would need well meaning but condescending defense of their gender. They can handle it and dish it out.
Charles, You're pretty opinionated and don't seem to mind sticking your nose into very personal subject matter. Then again, you're about as subtle as a bull in a china shop. Stop acting like a self-appointed Moderator! |
Matt.. The first review of the new Berkley Reference Dac was just posted on Computer Audiophile.. I don't think you should read it ... |
Oops sorry Matt.. Don't read the review in the new issue of TAS either! |
Erikminer, Hi, Can you post a link here to the reviews you are talking about? |
Erikminer,
Thanks for the heads up. The review at CA was extremely positive - sounds super delicious! Berkeley saw it fit to not include any usb input altogether. Looks like they subscribe to the philosophy that coaxial spdif is superior to any usb implementation out there. |
The USB compared to SPDIF is interesting and has been debated for quite sometime. There are very experienced and talented designers who insist that USB is inferior sonically. USB supporters counter with it all revolves around implementation. It seems Berkley has joined the former camp. |
Agear,
your wife sounds a lot like mine. Very intelligent, great sense of humor and never a dull moment. Grannyring, the same could be said of your wife as well. We're lucky guys.
Charles, |
"Berkeley saw it fit to not include any usb input altogether. "
I'm thinking their attitude is the typical "separates" thought process.
Many believe that USB to spdif conversion should be looked at similar to a phono stage; separate units to achieve ideal performance. I hit this opinion early on with my Rowland Aeris and even more with the Big 6 eval.
Since Berkely has a well reputed and reviewed USB to spdif converter in their product list, it makes sense to me that their reference DAC would not include internal USB to spdif conversion.
As music servers become more robust and user friendly I believe computers may become less prominent for an audio source and USB may go away.
I think that more reference DAC manufacturers may avoid a USB input over time if music servers become the reference level, fluid user interface source that they should be.
Interesting times. |
In the TAS review there is an interview with the designer (s) of the Dac. They feel that building a USB input with the associated hardware degrades the SQ of the unit. Could that be BS since they sell the pricey outboard unit? Who knows but I'll give them the benefit of knowing what they're doing. |
Mattnshilp, I used to greatly favor Firewire as the best connection and even had a FW to SP Dif converter. Then Apple who owns Firewire totally pulled the rug out from under it and third parties that made converters. I also used to greatly dislike USB even with asynchronous clocking within the dac, but now I have heard many USB connected dacs that sound quite good. I must say that USB cables are greatly improved. The BMC USB cables is the best I've heard.
In my case, the greatest concern is high definition. SP Dif is too limited to PCM and USB is not. That is the end of my interest in SP Dif. |
"09-09-14: Grannyring
Yes, my wonderful wife. Remember the events are greatly exaggerated :)
Grannyring"
Yes of course, but her literary style is very developed. We have some friends who just moved back to the States and the wife sort of reminds me of my mental imade of the Audiophile's Wife, though the husband has a modest system and is not a crazy audiophile.
My own wife is far and away satisfied with a boombox listening to MP3 and rolls her eyes at audio-tomfoolery. LoL |
09-10-14: Erikminer
In the TAS review there is an interview with the designer (s) of the Dac. They feel that building a USB input with the associated hardware degrades the SQ of the unit. Could that be BS since they sell the pricey outboard unit? Who knows but I'll give them the benefit of knowing what they're doing. It's not BS, as introducing signals having significant high frequency content (e.g., fast risetimes and falltimes), and that likely have significant amounts of noise riding on them, can potentially cause issues at supposedly unrelated circuit points elsewhere in the design. On the other hand, given enough attention to those kinds of possibilities in the design and development process, I see no reason why they couldn't be overcome. And S/PDIF has tradeoffs of its own. As usual, IMO, quality of implementation is likely to trump the theoretical advantages and disadvantages of any particular design approach. A brief off-topic comment: Matt, congrats on the new Porsche. I (and my wife) have been thrilled with our 2014 Cayman S, which as you no doubt realize is the hard-topped counterpart of your Boxter. Be aware, though, that its stock high performance tires cannot handle snow or ice (assuming they are the same tires as on the Cayman S), and MUST be changed to winter tires if you want to drive on those surfaces. Regards, -- Al |
That's pretty much what was said in the interview.. |
Thanks, Erik.
Re my previous post, that was a typo on "Boxster," of course.
Regards,
-- Al |
NP Al.. and FYI all the European high performance cars pretty much all come with Summer tires, which simply don't stick much below 40 degrees,, Even Audio on their S cars which of course are all Quattro come with Summer tires.. |
09-10-14: Charles1dad
Agear,
your wife sounds a lot like mine. Very intelligent, great sense of humor and never a dull moment. Grannyring, the same could be said of your wife as well. We're lucky guys.
Charles, Thank you Charles. She is a jewel. I am blessed.... |
09-10-14: Erikminer
Matt.. The first review of the new Berkley Reference Dac was just posted on Computer Audiophile.. I don't think you should read it ... He has had a longstanding love affair with Berkley as has the audio press. What has changed from a design and/or sonic standpoint? |
