@ Kana813, LOL!, I was going to post your exact recommendation, I agree!, The Aesthetix Pandora signature is one of the very best, one of audios best kept secrets! |
Hi Ctsooner, I have two pairs of Balanced interconnects, My amp is Balanced only connections, and has Krell cast connections, one interconnect retailed for $2,800.00, the other interconnect retailed for $15,950.00 !!!, Both are one-meters long only,, Believe me when I say this, I do not want to send cables back to cable factory to reterminate one end, LOL!, an adapter is no where as good as a direct balanced connection on the player,no matter if the player is single ended circuitry, my amp is 100% balanced from input all the way to output, so does anyone have some advise where to send my player?, cheers. |
@ Mattnshilp, Hi, I would find a way to audition, in a store or in your system the Aesthetix Pandora signature before you made a regretfull, decision here, unless you just like dacs, The Romulas signature, all in one box solution with analog volume control is what I will be going with, this unit is hailed by all to better any pre-amp running direct to amps, I hope you can tell us here your impressions of the Aesthetix, cheers. |
@ Mattnshilp, I enjoy your thread here, Keep me posted, not all of us are able to do what you are doing, getting to audition all these digital products, you have my close attention, cheers. |
@ Mattnshilp, wow!, This may turn out to be one of the most important imformative threads I have seen in digital in a long time, Keep us posted, cheers. |
Hi, I have a question, I live in Mobile,AL..., Does any one know who is Reputible and has a very quik turn around that is a technician shop near where I live?, I am looking to put Balanced connections on my Brand New cd-player, Thats all!, Really, an Hour Job at most, that said, I do not want to have my player sitting for weeks to get this done at somebody's shop, I understand they may have to order the Balanced connections, I believe this should only take two to three weeks to get it done, I got one price quoted to me of $150.00 which is a very fair price, and of course I would have to pay shipping both ways, I'm not looking to get this done for cheaper, Just the turn around time I am after, Thanks in advance. |
@ Mattnshilp, you still Have my attention, back a few post, I said that this is the most profound thread for digital in a long time, after that, nearly the whole community poured on this thread, they also agree with my statement, like I said, It's not everyday you see this kind of comparisions with so many top dacs!, I am also very pleased you will make your impressions the way you hear it, good or bad, nothing to be nervous about, Happy listening. |
That does not suprise me, DCS has been on top of the digital world the last 25 years! |
Matt, I sure hope to read that the Aesthetix makes it to the party here, My interest is because I am considering getting A Romulas signature in the near future, Really, If you get an Aesthetix digital product in these comparisions, Make sure you get the signature model, from what I understand, this up-grade is substantial to the performance of the Aesthetix product line up, cheers. |
I have read where owners of Esoteric K-01 players have to do 300 to 400 hours of burn-in time for each setting, a total of over 1000 hours before the player is completly done, It is strange to me too, after reading that, my interest of Esoteric was gone, I do not care how good it sounds, to many others out there that would sound good enough that you will not have to go through that kind of hard ship for less hours of burn-in! |
I personally Respect what you have said between the Lampy and the Aeris dacs, As it turns out, Reading your last post, I feel the same way as you do!,I also believe you are making a wise decision based on all that you have said here, Bravo! |
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+ 1 on The Aesthetix signature Romulas in the house! |
Hi Matt, Thankyou for the up-date, Bring on more! |
I'm not a bit suprised at Guidocorona is useing the Roland Aeris dac straight to his amp, doing straight to amps has always worked good for me, However, Mattnshilp, why don't you do the same if your final decision is the Aeris dac after all this is over? |
Hi Matt, You may call me Keith, The comparisons of the Dacs with a volume control you have available that you said you would try them direct to amps now gives me special interest more than before with your shoot-out thread , As a few have said, Thankyou for the time and effort you are doing Here, I must say, I am interested in the Aeris for ALL the same reasons you are, I currently have a modest priced tube digital player, sounds great, on the other hand, when I read the things you pointed out about the problems of tubes in general, like ageing to make the sound performance degrade caught my eye, Back in the late 90s, I run all solid state with success, sounded better than any tube componet at the time I ever listened to any where, tube componets have come a long way in this age, that's likly why I have tried tube componets again, But this tube rolling thing of going thru so many tubes has me not wanting to go down that Rabbit hole!, To me, That is like running multiple brands of cables to use them as tuning devices, you could end up chaseing the tail for-ever, which becomes a huge exspense, tube rolling could end the same way, and of course their is always infant tube failures etc..., I do want to point out, I love tube sound, just not the problems, This Aeris has me interested to see how it fairs in the end of the shoot-out, Thanks Matt, cheers. |
Hi Matt, I talked to steve N. over this week, The final drives are a great accomplishment by steve, However, though you can use them on the active pre-amps, steve said you can also use the final drives on the dacs, or cd-players that have a volume control on them, I would bet you money, If you put the final drives on the Aeris, or ODSE, or any of the dacs that you have that has a volume control versus, just your prized Roland active pre-amp by its self, you would likly sale the Pre-amp!, LOL!, after I talked to steve, I am interested in his final drives to use with source componets direct to amps, being the final drives are a true Balanced circuit,and passive, not needing any power from the wall, and the fact they break the ground plane, It's a win-win situation! |
I do not believe it is possible to test all the greatest dacs here, The conclusion would take forever for a outcome, Matt is doing fine with what he is testing, which to me, is more than enough dacs, LOL! |
+ 1, Keep the comparisons going, This is my favorite digital thread!, I never seen anything like it before, You are doing great matt!, Bravo! |
I agree Mrmb, good point! |
Matt, How did you determine how many views this thread has got?, I did not know someone can do that. |
Thankyou Gentleman, I did not know that about view count on audiogon. |
Matt, that must be really a special pre-amp to beat out direct to amps, I am impressed!, You have got my interest in your Prized Roland Pre-amp, I know you are quite busy with this going on, maybe you can get the time to P.M. me and elaborate on this speacial pre-amp, no hurry, just do not forget me, about that pre-amp, thanks Matt, best Regards. |
@ Audioengr, Steve, you never cease to amaze me, I talked to you on the phone once a couple of weeks ago, Now, you have brought to my attention this Plasmatron product that Chris has at vh-audio, this to me appears to be a game changer product, do you have one?, you said, Improves sound quality significantly for digital, coming from you, this must be one hell of a product for you to say that, I will get one for sure, when, I am not sure of that either, I just know after reseaching this, I got to have it! |
Go Matt!, I enjoyed you last few post concerning the Aeris and ODSE, awsome, look forward to your impressions, mmm, the ODSE could win win this out?, May the winner take in Huge sales deservingly so! |
Where is the Asthetix digital players?, Are you still going to audition them Matt? |
when does the New Esoteric spinners go on the market?, what kind of money are we talking here?, will there be availabile up-grades for the original K to the 01x and 03zx ? |
awfull quite matt, mmm, must be in a trance over the possiblitys of the Esoteric K-01? |
Thankyou Matt for the up-date, However, I had a feeling the ODSE would fair in the running, and I agree, Steve does deserve an aplaud for his work,BTW- It appears we may have similiar tast with sound given your descriptions of your last up-date, more than ever, I have great interest with your thread matt, Happy Listening. |
Hi Matt, what is the views of this thread now? |
Good point Charles1dad, LOL!, however, I have followed this thread from the beginning, Matt's tast in sound is alot like my own, He has got my interest jumping about the ODSE! |
Matt, you are doing a fine job ole chap, I, for one enjoy this thread alot, It has my vote for best thread of the year, I enjoy your context of words that you have when describing all that you are doing. Happy Listening! |
Matt, you are correct, that post was confusing!, just as you said, I thought you were there, take a ride over there matt, a sure way to straighten out that ill said post. |
Matt, when you listened to the Romulas at audio-connections, what was your impressions? |
ok, you got my attention, Aplhifi, what do you mean about the above statement, DSD-S Dac will help you realize your dream about removing the pre-amp from the rack?, please specify the brand and model if you are talking about a Dac that can run direct to amplification that sounds very good to you? |
I prefer your dream matt, Best way to go out for sure!, Thankyou for the clarification on the DSD-S. |
Alex, your humor is killing me!, I enjoy a great laugh now and then, thankyou, you are about the 4th person that has said the same on this thread! |
Matt, At this point, I wonder If you will ever get a signature Pandora or Romulas player here in this shoot out, I would call the Asthetixs company themselfs and by pass the store, I have had to do that before, they may be tring to fill a big order for the store, that will be a slow process, I believe if you explained to the designer of the asthetixs about your thread here, you likly would get one promply, It would be like dealing with Steve Nugent, cheers. |
Matt, is this shoot-out over?, where is the Asthetixs Romulas or Pandora signature! |
Aplhifi-Alex, There you go again with the good humor, these days, It's not that often I get a good laugh, you said, There will be no damage to the unit even if you throw it ups style from 3-meters above ground,,, LOL!, my sentiments of ups period, I have went through all kinds of mishaps with ups!, I try my best to stay clear of them, from time to time, I am forced to accept frieght or packages from them, The frieght business model is alot safer bet, like to see them attempt to throw Frieght!, Ha,Ha. |
I agree totally with Aolmrd1241, All this time of following this thread, I thought a transport was being used, Now that I have found out that it is not, this gives me a different perspective on the Imperical ODSE and other Dacs on this thread, as a matter of fact, The APL Dac that matt said sounded a little hard on the treble likly exsposed the use of a inferior cable like usb!!, I understand the Dac may need further burned in, However, All dacs sound incredibly better with a quality Digital cable, and then running quality balanced analog interconnects from the dac to the pre-amp or direct to amplifier! |
Matt, I understand your position, This is about what's best for you, I also understand you are not willing to spend the money for quality cables, A usb cable, no matter the cost is just inferior, and you are correct, A usb cable will not cost thousands of dollars, what I am saying though, Is you will NEVER achieve getting all the sound from the dac you can retrieve using any usb cable or DNLA, can you imagine all the cable companys that would go out of bussiness if a usb cable could out perform a world class spdif cable or analog interconnect?, I have enjoyed your thread, I appriciate what you have done here for all of us, Thankyou |
matts wife is none of your concern, why do you post such bad opinions here for everyone to see and spoil a great thread! |
Hi Alex, Are you saying that your DSD-S sounds better running direct to amplifiers?, you have a volume control on it?, explain what type of volume control it has, and how it benefits over a pre-amp. |
Aplhifi-usa, Alex, I am confused here, did you make a clerical error?, you said, The DSD-S does not sound better running direct to amplifiers.., Then you said,Your system will sound better without the pre-amp, mmmm, which is it? |
APlhifi-usa, Hi Alex, thankyou for the post to me, this is exciting news, I got rid of pre-amps many, many years ago!, I run direct to amplifiers now with my digital, interesting technology about your volume control, I have seen over the last couple of years the digital sources running direct to amps, and pre-amps close the gap of performance because technology with volume controls have got alot better, I do not have a record collection, although I love the sound of analog, I do not have other sources, I will be building a second system for multiple sources at a latter time, I have cables for the second system now, currently, I am still building my main system, the digital I have now is quite engageing for what it is, it is temporary, this cd-player will go on second system, I love the sound of it, however, I want a world class digital componet to run direct to my amp to keep the signal intact and as pure as I can get, The ODSE and your APL DSD-S fits the bill for running direct, that is my sole purpose of keeping up with this thread, so Alex, what transport do you recommend for your DSD-S dac?, thankyou. |
matt, you are doing a fine job!, this has been a wonderfull thread to me, a great learning exsperience as well, alot of the brands you have brought to the table were unheard of to me, I'm an ex musician, so do not take this the wrong way, This thread is cool!, Bravo and cheers to matt!, Thankyou for taking YOUR time out of your life to do this thread, you, by no means did not have to share this journey, I will never forget this thread! |
Thankyou alex for responding to my post, a bit to soak in, LOL! |
Steve N, I like texas instruments-Burr-Brown dac chips myself, listened to many others, always owned The burr-Browns, maybe not to the level you guys are talking about with dac chips, anyway, an oldie but goodie is the 1796 BB, incredible life like treble to say the least, very real sounding, not steril, analitical, cold, good to my ears, I preferred the 1796 over the 1704 that the masses like, cheers |
Melbguy1, welcome to this great thread, are you going for the vitus player? |
