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I think you would like the Wilson Benesch Vector speakers. Not well known in the US but world wide presence. Our shop has easily driven them with 40 watts tube amplifiers. The midrange is exquisite, wired directly to your Einstein amplifiers ( no crossover ) and they cover almost the entire midrange from 400 Hz to 5000 kHz. A good review on their website wilson-benesch.com. If you can't down load it I can email it to you. I forgot to add that they are manufactured from carbon fiber, not the drivers but the cabinets themselves. Best Jim Sounds Real Audio |
"I think you would like the Wilson Benesch Vector speakers. Not well known in the US but world wide presence. Our shop has easily driven them with 40 watts tube amplifiers. The midrange is exquisite, wired directly to your Einstein amplifiers ( no crossover ) and they cover almost the entire midrange from 400 Hz to 5000 kHz. A good review on their website wilson-benesch.com. If you can't down load it I can email it to you." More sales shacking......... Shakey |
A point of information that some of the respondents don't appear to be aware of: Based on one of the OP's previous threads it appears that his amp is Einstein's "Light In The Dark" model, which is not a tube OTL and in fact uses a solid state output stage. It is rated at 85W into 8 ohms and 115W into 4 ohms, FWIW. My comments on a speaker candidate were provided in that thread. Regards, -- Al |
Yeah, Thiels can be tough, but I suspect there are many speaker choices out there that would work well with that amp. An easier load and higher efficiency speakers on paper likely provide the greatest upside. Of the ones you mention, I think mbl is the only line I would have major reservations about in that I suspect these are no easier to drive than THiel and maybe even worse. They tend to meet their potential mainly with only the biggest and beefiest SS amps. IF its teh omni sound you are after, OHM might work well. My OHMs did very well with a modest power 80 watt Tandberg receiver once, and with a 120 w/ch Musical Fidelity power amp. Room size and acoustics would be a determining factor for how far you can get with a good 80 watt amp driving OHMs. Impedance measurements I have seen for the OHMs indicate impedance dips to just below 4 ohms in the bass region, not horrible by modern standards for most good SS amps, but not the easiest either. Audiokinesis is another innovative line I like on paper a lot (have not heard) that pays special attention to value, soundstage, imaging, a large sweet spot, and ease of setup, all things that OHMs are known for as well, plus I believe to be a fairly easy load to drive as well in general, perfect on paper for an amp like that maybe. I'm thinking if there is a more conventional and affordable speaker line out there that might have a chance to lure me off my OHMs someday, AK could be it. |
Thats very helpful The Thiels work, of course But I notice they treble is harsh, while the bass is rounded The midrange is missing to a large degree Also, I just dont have the right room to set them up properly Really need a great speaker that matches the tube amp That is not complicated by additional equipment etc |
AlmRg, nice of you to point that out , thanks I did talk to the speaker maker you recommended, and did get get the feeling that it would be the right fit. Problem being ,of course, guessing at speakers without hearing them is really hard. I live pretty isolated, the nearest city had three dealers who have all gone out of business. Not sure as to the reason, economy , or the itunes |
Mapman Very helpful, its not that i like the ohmm sound haven't heard any of these speakers actually Only read about them on forums and online reviews On digging further , i git the impression that ohmms also want gobs of power I find it kind of wierd that tube amps are very popular , while most of the good to great speakers desire large powerful amps |
Zd Realize this is great advice trouble is i don't really have access to systems to audition, nor the time to go to hifi shows or drive a few hundred miles to a large city with stores. May sound weird, but that as well as the vast experience of audiogoners here is the reason Im turning to this forum for advice Not looking for the perfect gear just a reasonable facsimile of the recorded sound |
Acid: S.T.O.P.! Lots of advice being offered, although Zd542's and Unsound's should be heeded. The stuff you have purchased is not cheap, and it is crucial to find the right direction before proceeding. It is puzzling how you find yourself in this position after reading forum info, as Unsound's advice has been the mantra for the 30 years I have been around high-end. But, your situation does give you an unusual advantage in determining your next step. You can take your electronics to a demo location with speakers you wish to hear and audition first-hand. Also, you can borrow electronics (from dealers or hi-fi friends) to mate with your Thiels to test at home. Few of us can have such a perfect opportunity to see which we prefer. But, your first priority is to get some focus/direction. Crucial to speaker selection are topics I haven't seen you mention: preferred music/instrument types; room size; seating distance; listening levels, etc. Different speakers perform differently depending upon your criteria. Doing this the recommended way will yield dividends. The other way is a series of expensive crap-shoots.... But, I will say that over the years, I have won in a hi-fi crap-shoot or two (got damn lucky)! It's just that you have this opportunity to really get it right if you use the right approach. Good luck. |
I did the same thing when I first entered the audiophile world. I locked up an ARC vs-110 amp, blue circle pre, and then moseyed around the speaker world before finding the Maggie 3.6r. It was a circuitous route, but it worked out. Thus time, tho, I started with reference 3a de capos and found the LSA Statement integrated to be a perfect fit. Anyhow, you also might try Triangle speakers. Tho you really can't go wrong with MBL or even Vandersteens. |
Not familiar with the amp in question...but it appears from feedback back above it is 4 ohm capable...I have heard other Thiel models with similar power behind them...and they sounded a awfully good imho...can u add an additional amp and use the Einstein as a preamp?...just a thought...fwiw...I have used 4 ohm speakers in the past with far less power than u currently have with good results...but every every application s different...good luck |
Rtilden I take your advice seriously as well as the others to answer those other questions Room size is about 20 by 25 The music is classical, orchestral, piano, lute , and violin sonatas Also, folk , acidfolk especially , other as well but mostly those two genres Im very proud of acidfolk BTW, its not listened to enough Cant really do the positioning thing now , so require speakers that aren't so dependent on the perfect seating position Likely will buy so sound enhancing stuff as it appears from the posts on threads that it can make quite a big difference Also, the speakers listed by me, are just some examples of ones that seem highly respected here , which are praised for their ability to reproduce a live experience guess that is my goal |
Acidfolk: Good info. Ceiling height is important to know, as the volume can be drastically different in an 8' as compared to a 16' cathedral ceiling. Big volumes require a lot from both speakers and electronics. Only music type that has me concerned for you is orchestral. I like the ability to fill the room with sound, and in my large room, it takes a big amp with large speakers to make large scale symphonies sound good. Piano can also be concerning, but to a lesser degree, as good piano done right requires balls too, especially in low-mids and bass regions. Hope this helps. |
If you are bummed by Theils treble with your SS output stage precision amp, I strongly recommend speakers with a very sweet "musical" top end. I own Focal 936s and would say they are too clinical for you but there is a pair on sale right now pretty cheap. The speaker I would advise you to get are Nolas. The whole line is targeted towards people who like rich tone and sweet treble. I don't own them but have heard them and thought about it quite seriously. Read a few reviews to get an idea. It took me several years to get the right amp and speaker combination, so take it easy and be prepared, for some trial and error. That is what has happened to the industry for all the reasons you spelled out about being unable to audition gear. |
Rx8man I replied to unsound just now, would really like to see how much juice the Einsteins have to give Right now , im looking at the merlin vsm or tannoys If tannoys ill have to wait fir a good pair with 15" drivers to show up This is based on the input so far both these units seem like good soeakers Not sure if they are great speakers, i guess thats the holy grail |
They may be WhT they have in common from the stuff Ive learned here though, Is they both work best with tube amps. They are two way , which some people claim is superior to three way, Both have a loyal following , and are considered highly, The used gear sells for similar prices, other than Tannoy flagship |
