What IS the reason the phrase 'Rap is Crap' exists, then, Pauly? I don't happen to like jazz, blues, country, opera, etc, but I'm sure not going to say it's all 'crap' because I don't happen to care for it.
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Come on guys put some effort into it these guys are a far worse band than any mentioned so far https://youtu.be/E8-WHslFhbU?t=68 |
I think a better question to ask is worst bands by decade. As each decade passes there have been bands that somehow got a recording contract and we all wonder why? or better yet - How? as for me -I'll start in the 70's - styx, KISS, REO, the ramones (hate them-personal) 80's - the whole hair metal copycat scene too numerous to name, the special mention .38 special- horrible 90's - the whole white boy rap metal scene - Korn, limp bizkit etc, then tonic, soul asylum, counting crows, wallflowers 2000's - the beginning of the end of rock - fill in the __________ |
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Oops, I of course meant to say Wexler was Aretha’s producer at Atlantic Records. After Columbia failed to figure out what to do with her, Wexler got Aretha out of her contract with them and took her down to Muscle Shoals, putting her in Fame Studios with that studio’s house band, known amongst musicians as The Swampers, the best R & B band ever in the opinion of those who matter. He did the same with other Atlantic singers: Wilson Pickett, Solomon Burke, Dusty Springfield, buncha others, and took Dylan down there too, for his found God albums. Before all that, Wexler had produced Ray Charles, Big Joe Turner (one of my all-time favorite singers. I saw and heard him in the mid-80’s at Club Lingerie on Sunset Blvd., backed by a "pretty good" white Blues band, The Blasters), Dr. John, Ruth Brown (SUCH a great singer) and LaVerne Baker (a fantastic singer, check her out). So he knew just what he was getting in Lou Ann, and exactly the musical environment to create for her. Great material, a great band, and a great singer; that’s "all" it takes. ;-) Sorry, imo Janis was not a great singer, or even a good one. And the Big Brother musicians were absolutely dreadful (what could be worse than a hippie garage band?!). Even her contemporaries were telling her that, and that she should dump them. She stood by them though, until she just couldn’t anymore. She hired The Full Tilt Boogie Band, and that was more like it. The band’s piano player, Richard Bell, was later a member of The Band. What a contrast from the clowns in Big Brother! Hey, if you wanna hear a really great white male R&B singer from the relatively modern era, listen to Willy DeVille (and the band he debuted in, Mink DeVille). He unfortunately developed a nasty little drug habit, which effected his career. He collaborated with Doc Pomus, Allen Toussaint, Dr. John, and Jack Nitzsche (Phil Spector’s arranger and orchestrator, and Neil Young’s piano player on the Harvest album). I would have loved to hear Willy and Amy Winehouse duet, but they’re both dead. |
@dgarretson, I realize mine is a minority opinion, but yes, it was in the Summer of '68 I saw/heard them live. The guys in Big Brother exemplified everything that was wrong with hippie musicians, and Janis was doing her standard "shrieking/screeching" style of white-girl Blues "singing". You know, trying too hard to be "soulful". Cheap Thrills was produced by John Simon; John also produced the first two superlative Band albums, so the blame can't be laid at his feet. Hey, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. ;-) For anyone who wants to hear how it CAN be done, give a listen to Lou Ann Barton. She has a few solo albums, and often tours with Jimmie Vaughan. She was the singer in the original version of Double Trouble, when Stevie Ray was "only" playing guitar in the band. Her fantastic Old Enough album was produced by Glenn Frey and Jerry Wexler, Wexler Aretha's producer at Columbia Records. Now THERE'S a great white woman Blues singer. |
Having a vested interest in the music of my generation ('70 Rock) I was more than a little dismayed seeing so many bands that I had either seen in concert or had at least one album./cd of. I am a little curious how everyone is gauging 'worst band'. What is the benchmark that you are using? Having never recorded a decent song in their entire career, fron first to last? Having only one listenable song per album, two maybe? While I do take exception to a lot of the name put forth as if I like one or several of their songs I would be hard pressed to call them the worse. There are a lot names that if I did not hear a single track for the next twenty years I would consider myself fortunate. All bands, no matter how sucessful tend to go off the rails at some point. I doubt that many can say they love every track of every ablum that a specific band recorded over their career. Equally, I doubt that a band you might have liked and wnet to go see blew the live event. I doin't know about everyone else, but I have my good and bad days. I think it is human thing.... |
@ghosthouse, Yeah, that's a good one. Also on Pet Sounds is the sublime "God Only Knows", one of my three all-time favorite songs. It has not only strings and brass, but also woodwinds. And unlike The Beatles who required George Martin to write the parts for the orchestra instruments, Brian wrote his himself (he reads and knows music notation). "God Only Knows" has three bass parts---one for electric (Carol Kaye playing an incredible part containing numerous examples of inversions, my absolute favorite thing in music. It was hearing that part that woke-up Paul McCartney to the possibilities of the instrument), one for string (upright) bass, and a third for the Fender-6, a really cool 6-string bass that Duane Eddy played guitar solos on. Just above the basses is a cello. Brian's aborted Smile album is what I think Progressive Rock can be, and mostly isn't. Informed by Classical (actually, using your knowledge of music theory in the writing of songs is a better way to put it), but not attempting (with poor results, imo) to combine it with Rock, or play it with a Rock band. That's just silly, and sounds that way. Pictures At An Exhibition by ELP is just dreadful. It was written for solo piano (I have a recording of it so performed), and orchestrated by Maurice Ravel. THAT is how it should be performed, not by a 3-piece Rock band. That can not possibly do justice to the music. |
FWIW (little in the larger scheme of things, I know) - but generally, I've got nothin' against strings or horns. Did kinda expect anti-strings would go along with anti-prog is all - but the reality ain't so simple, it appears. Talking about strings and horns and doing a 180 from the OP's original intent. These might be the most ravishingly beautiful 144 seconds of contemporary music ever written - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbAA4_B8k0I |
@ghosthouse, yup, I'll be posting my thoughts. As a teaser, there are plenty of examples of them used in a way of which I approve ;-) ; Phil Spector, Brian Wilson, Roy Orbison, Randy Newman, The Lovin' Spoonful, and George Martin immediately come to mind. The use of brass (horns) is a related subject. Hint: my approved list won't include Chicago. I'll be back. |
There's hope for you yet! ;-) I sort of get where you are coming from though I don't share the position. It sort of reminds me of some of the aficionados over on the Jazz thread and their view of "real" jazz and jazz purity (my term for it). Anyway, I'm curious how you felt/feel about the use of strings in rock. I remember a conversation with a school chum long time ago...musta been in 7th or 8th grade. He was incensed about the use of strings (maybe a new Doors album had come out). Thought they had NO place in "rock". I remember being somewhat taken aback by his vehemence. Noteworthy that he had much older sisters - suspected influences on the development of his musical taste. |