My wife confused one for a suppository. She was not pleased but I think her hearing improved.
Where has been your most effective placement for an aftermarket fuse?
Not looking for a debate with anybody on whether aftermarket fuses work or not, this thread is for those fortunate members with the hearing to know that they do indeed work.
I am very interested in your thoughts and opinions as to where they work the best, the biggest bang for your buck if you like.
For myself I am going to say it is in my Metrum Onyx DAC.
And not just my present DAC, all of my last 3 DAC,s showed a very nice easily audible improvement with an aftermarket fuse.
Next I would say is in my Gold Note phono stage and lastly in my BAT integrated amp.
So what or where would you say has been the most noticeable piece of equipment that has benefited from a fuse change in your system?
I am very interested in your thoughts and opinions as to where they work the best, the biggest bang for your buck if you like.
For myself I am going to say it is in my Metrum Onyx DAC.
And not just my present DAC, all of my last 3 DAC,s showed a very nice easily audible improvement with an aftermarket fuse.
Next I would say is in my Gold Note phono stage and lastly in my BAT integrated amp.
So what or where would you say has been the most noticeable piece of equipment that has benefited from a fuse change in your system?
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Actually my best fuse swap was actually to remove the cheap fuses that came with my Magnepan 1.7i speakers and replaced them with the silver tubes (not fuses) that came with my Powell Ag Magnepan upgrade. Besides the silver tube in place of the fuse there was also a silver jumper to replace the steel plate stock jumper. Using the above upgrades improved bass tightness and top end treble/cymbals. Of course, the ultimate bass upgrade for the Maggies came recently when I added a stereo pair of REL T/9i subwoofers! Wow! |
I can only speak to my situation. Out of the list of everything I had done to my amp, Steve listed them in order of most sonic impact. The fuses were last on that list. I don't see that as a dismissal of their possible effectiveness or in any way his trying to sell me something I didn't need to line his pockets. In fact, I found the fuses slightly cheaper elsewhere and Pat agreed to match that price. I call that good customer service! |
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squeak_king_77 If a multimeter was used to test resistance of the fuse, and if a first reading was noted with the test leads in one position, and then if the test leads were swapped to the opposite fuse ends and that reading noted...if the readings were different would that indicate directionality?squeak no, not in the slightest. If it did it would be called a diode. AC fuses have no directionality period, because AC mains is just that, "alternating current", it alternates 60 x a second (60hz) in the US, 50 here in Au (50hz) So for a fuse to claim to have direction, it would be a diode and then it’s trying to rectify the AC mains into DC. Any fuser that say other wise is just spruiking for the fuse company they are shilling for to make them rich, as the markup on these voodoo fuses is over 500 x the cost of the fuse before re-badging. Fuse aging from too many turn on cycles "can" deteriorate a fuse, then it’s just a matter of replacing it with the same $1 one, and these mega dollar boutique fuses will also deteriorate at the same rate as the $1 ones. As you can see the aging process, left to right on the fast blo one, and right to left on the slow blo one. https://ibb.co/YRfkQy8 https://ibb.co/Ss2QxJ8 Cheers George |
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Have only tried a Blue in my K&K Audio Trio and it was an improvement in transparency without any edge. Replaced all the fuses in my SMc Audio amp with Hi-Fi Tuning but that was along with a major upgrade so can't be sure of any difference the fuses made. BTW, the board on this amp takes 7 fuses! The whole upgrade was super! |
Miller. Interesting your comment on the motor controller. I had forgotten I had tried an old SR Black I had lying around in a Walker motor controller. At the time of installing I thought it had made some difference but I also upgraded the PC at same time. Turns out it was the PC making the difference, as I found by trial and error. So basically zero effect on the Walker. Also interesting you say biggest impact on your integrated as I would say that was smallest impact in my system. But that is exactly what I am getting at in part with this thread. How system synergy still applies even with fuse changes. And we cannot ever rule out our own perceptions, expectation bias ( yes I acknowledge it exists!), room acoustics, phase of the moon etc etc. It's part of what makes this whole game so much fun! |
Not looking for a debate with anybody on whether aftermarket fuses work or not, this thread is for those fortunate members with the hearing to know that they do indeed work. Nice try. Unfortunately #1 on the list of Hateful 18 character traits is the inability to comprehend the written word. I've used both Blue and Orange. Both made the biggest improvement in my Melody integrated. https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367 Second best, yet still well worth the money, is in my Herron VTPH2A phono stage. Coming in a distant third, no discernible difference, are the two in my Teres Verus motor controller. You may well ask if they make no difference why are they in there? Well they were included free when buying HFT or ECT, something like that. So even these manage to be worth what they cost. ;) jtcf- I'm not a naysayer and am curious about aftermarket fuses.What stops me from trying them not knowing what is actually in them and will they protect the equipment same as the 50 cent fuses.Paranoia:-) I've had a look at several of these fuses (and a lot of other things) under x-ray and can tell you they are the same fuse as anywhere else. Even the ones that are supposed to be slow-blow are the same thin wire as fast. Where if you know anything about fuses you know you can tell slow from fast at a glance. With these you can't. They are the same. Also from experience I can tell you they are if anything over-rated. That is to say they will burn out faster not slower. I blew 2 in my Herron phono stage. Which was new. Talked to Keith Herron about it. Nice long talk. Learned a lot but the Hateful 18 already are struggling to keep up let's not overload their microcephalic little brains. Its enough to know that like uberwaltz said you can go higher. It also helps to know SR (and probably a lot of the dealers) stands behind their product. I've had several blow and all have been replaced free of charge. How they work is easy enough to understand, you just have to be willing to try and understand and not stubbornly refuse to accept reality like the Hateful 18 do. Ted uses his Tesla coil to run a few million volts through them. This actually works. I know someone built a smaller Tesla coil and is doing the same sort of thing. But they are so sick and tired of the reprehensible behavior of the Hateful 18 they made me swear never to mention it. Same goes for the little gray blob Ted puts on his fuses. It says right on there do not remove. Don't take my word for it. Remove it. See what happens. There's very similar gray blob material been written up at length on this site does almost exactly the same thing. Goes to show just how deluded the Hateful 18 are that they act as if they don't know this. Anyway, point is, however you explain it the fact is this stuff really works. Which drives the Hateful 18 absolutely nuts. Its a short trip. Me personally, been using them a long time. Many have. Not a single instance of component damage resulting from fuse failure in all of that. Highly recommended. Applies only to Synergistic. No idea what anyone else is doing, how or if they work at all. |
As I mentioned in the last ill-fated fuse thread, Maggie owners have for years been doing away with those fuse banks for the mid and tweeter by bypassing them or by filling the fuse slots with a solid conductor. The boutique fuses are a good choice if you don't want to tear things apart. I use SR Blues far beyond the factory ratings of 5A and 2.5A. Right now, I have 20A and 10A. This is expensive and is like no fuse protection at all, but they sound better. I don't worry about pushing the ratings. Uber, did you replace your Maggie fuses at all? |
Valid concerns jtcf. Can't answer what exactly is in them although I do find Audio Magics claim of actual beeswax a little hard to swallow! As far as protection I think it has been pretty uniformly documented that the SR fuses at least need to be oversized by about 10-15%. No I do not know why. But i bore that in mind when ordering mine. That right there might be a legitimate worry for some and I wish I had a better answer. |
Also given the very proper assertion that results reported will vary case by case for many possible reasons (from no noticeable difference to whatever level of awesomeness is reported), it is not permitted to reject any reported results that displeases others or accuse people of bad hearing and/or bad systems, without any other evidence, as has pretty much always been done in threads past.There will be no objections from myself on that score. I welcome truly honest results and we will let the chips fall where they will. Although it will be interesting to try and deduce just why there maybe widely differing results in a more polite environment. |
Also given the very proper assertion that results reported will vary case by case for many possible reasons (from no noticeable difference to whatever level of awesomeness is reported), it is not permitted to reject any reported results that displeases others or accuse people of bad hearing and/or bad systems, without any other evidence, as has pretty much always been done in threads past. In other words....stick to the facts as presented....... Here we go.....may the Gods have mercy on us...... To start, I have nothing new to report or assert that I have not already in the past. I tried a Red fuse given to me to try by another Agoner in my Audio Research sp16 pre-amp and heard no concrete difference between that and the stock fuse from ARC. It is sitting out as a spare currently. |
Mapman I have always considered the fuse application to be very subjective and from my experience equipment dependent. Hence the thread to see if we can get some honest opinions that might bear that out. You know all the time I had my Maggie speakers I never thought about swapping the fuses in them.😕😕 I believe Elizabeth did and was adamant it made some difference? |
Does this mean it is acknowledged that fuse results may vary based on application? That is at least a step in the right direction from the usual hype in these parts to just Spend whatever is possible on the latest Synergistic color, no questions asked because they are inherently always most awesome (not to mention directional). Progress....🙏 My answer is fuse will make the most difference in line with signal to a speaker like fuse used in Magnepans. But there is still nothing concrete other than opinion and conjecture regarding how much a fuse need cost to do the job even there. 3 figures for a tiny mysterious device like a fuse should always raise questions. |
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