OK, I just added it to my 2-channel rig and Wowza! No edge to anything, more detail, more weight, better timbre, soundstage. It reveals more detail but not in a fatiguing sorta way. I think the more revealing your rig is the more you'll appreciate this. An absolute bargain at its price.
Not trying to be a fanboy, but this is one of those improvements that keeps you hooked on the hobby. I thought my rig sounded better before, but I was hoping for more body and better timbre. Mission accomplished! Cycling through my collection and have absolutely no reservation about playing any type of genre. That's always the sign of a good piece of kit.
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this is my first "full" power conditioner. I resisted getting one for all these years because I thought it was too close to snake oil. It's a huge improvement over the balanced isolation transformer I was using. All the usual improvements people cite from improving power are there.. much blacker background, sense of ease and lack of listening fatigue.. the equipment just seems to work better.. monoblock amps seem more dynamic with less compression affecting dynamic peaks in the music. I'm incredibly happy with it. Build quality is great too, the chassis is solid as a rock and sockets are all perfectly mounted, the faceplate is beautifully cnc'ed with horizontal ridges. even the blue led is noticeably dimmed to prevent annoyance. A really great product. You can tell they spent a lot of time on it. appearance is super polished and beautiful. all my other gear is black but the silver tai hang is so pretty I don't mind it standing out on my shelf
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Every dc blockers and balanced transformers I ever used suppresses transients and dynamics, particularly with amplifiers.
So all the reports saying this device not doing that is exciting. A foil inductor for power conditioning? Very interesting.
@alvin1118 going by internal pictures you are doing a stage of filtering for each 2 outlet receptacle? This means adding a third receptacle (to get 6 outlets) would be difficult?
Perhaps you could make the boards modular and have them in the chassis sideways, so the Tai Hang could have 4/6/8 outlet versions?
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Great write-up. I purchased 2 units, one dedicated to my mono tube amplifers and the other for my preamp and music streamer/dac. The background noise is now lower, dynamics feel more unrestricted, and generally there's a noticeable improvement in sound quality. In the past, I was restructed in not being able to use power conditioners with my tube amps as they made the amps not sound as open and dynamic. Not the case with the Tai Hang units. Well engineered and thought out. I also admire the build quality, and look of the units. Well done and all for a fraction of the expected price.
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frankpic, how many watts are we talking about from your tube monos and do you know the amps they draw? Did you just have to much gear that needed isolation or were you worried about not enough current?
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Hi everyone. Just got my unit in the US yesterday and so far seems I wasn't hit with tariff 🤞 although I heard its like taxes in that you can be chased for it at a later date...
So far I have my Phono, integrated and DAC running of it. I have kept my turntable on another circuit as it has a switching power supply and I thought that might be a good idea.
The system is sounding good although it's too soon for me to really know much. I think I am expecting a good result to be that the system sounds like it does on a good day, all the time:)...
There have been some comments that loading up one unit with all your gear including power amp might not be the best and in that case a 2nd unit might be required for the power amp (depending on its draw).
So I am trying to calculate how much current my integrated is requiring under load.
Does this sound right?.... Seems low to me.....
AMP = Leben cs600X (push pull tube, class A ~35W)
- The Leben CS-600X integrated amplifier has a maximum mains power consumption of approximately 195 watts
- Determine max current (A) = power (P)/Voltagee(W)
- For the US this means
- (A) = 195W/120V = ~ 1.63 (A)
- While the exact “normal” current draw is not specified in the manufacturer’s documentation, it is reasonable to estimate that typical consumption is between 60% and 80% of the maximum, depending on listening habits and speaker load.
- This would equate to roughly 1.0 to 1.3 amps during normal use.
Sound right?
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@classicrockfan Be careful. Opinions like that will get you drummed out of the corp.
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I’ve had my Taihang in my system for a week now and it is replacing a PMS-156. Everything about the T/H is big improvement over the 156. It is much better built. The H/T is solid and has heft to it. The 156 looks and feels like an entry level piece, where the T/H has style to it and fits the part of a high end system. The T/H is in a different league sound wise. It is truly a superior performer. It has brought a whole new level of performance out of my system. Plus it's less expensive. Although it has two less sockets, I would rather trade that for the uptick in performance. Thank you to Alvin, Annie and the Vinshine team and congratulations. This is a great product.
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I took a leap of faith after watching the Hifi Huff review. Well, also because i have only had good interactions with Vinshine, pre & post purchase. On with my impressions:
At this time, this is limited to the static/buzz I hear on my Cornwall IVs when music is not playing. This was audible from my couch, which probably irritates me more than it should. The static/buzz started when I purchased my 1st tube amp, the Decware SE84UFO2.1. I reached out to Decware and one of the recommendations was to get a humdinger by Van Alstine. I can't remember the order of my purchases, but I also have the Decware Line Conditioner (ZLC). I had the following plugged in, in the following order: Wall>Humdinger>ZLC>stereo gear. This reduced the amount of static/buzz but it was still audible from my listening position. I also moved so I have 2 test cases for this, however the result was pretty much the same. Anyhow, I didn't learn my lesson or I like to torture myself so I ordered a Decware ZRock3 (EQ) to get a little more bass from my SE84UFO. The ZRock has a gain in the back in addition to the knob on the front to increase/decrease base (there is also a switch, but that's not really in scope at this time). I apologize for my crude descriptions of these features. I tried the ZRock3 between the Preamp and the Amp and also between the DAC and Preamp, as that is the recommendation from Steve at Decware. Great, honest guy by the way. He recommends placing the ZRock where it sounds best to me.
Long story short, increasing the gain on the back of the ZRock3 increased the static/buzz while connected to the SE84UFO. I also tried this with my Pass Labs XA-25 with similar results. I could turn the gain down, but now I was turning up the volume on my preamp to get the same amount of volume (I don't know if this is a bad thing or not, but it's just what I experienced). Keep in mind, this is my experiences PRE-Tai Hang.
Post Tai-hang: By post, I mean I've eliminated the Humdinger and ZLC from my chain. It's just the Tai Hang to my stereo gear. I can plug in my SE84UFO and ZRock with the gain turned up to MAX and the static/buzz is no longer audible from my couch. It is still there, but I have to put my ear up to the horn on my Cornwalls to actually hear it. Success! I have been chasing this "issue" for a couple years now. Glad to say it was money well spent on the Tai Hangs. I purchased 2 so I can really maximize the benefits (1 Tai Hang for my amps/preamps/tube gear and 1 tai hang for my sources (DAC, transports)).
I am still testing some things out, but ironically if I use my XA-25 in conjunction with the ZRock3, the static/buzz volume increases, although to a much lesser extent when the ZRock3 gain is turned up. I guess Decware products are made to pair better with their stuff so it makes sense in that regard.
Once I situate my gear again to plug into their appropriate Tai Hangs, I hope to just enjoy the music soon.
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Hey guys! This piece replaced my Puritan PSM 156 and I couldn't be happier. One day I will get a 2nd one. It's incredible for the price and I have my amp, preamp, dac and streamer plugged in and it has fixed the DC issues, lowered the noise floor to nothing, and for me there is a bit for solidity to the foundation. Where the PSM 156 tipped things up in the treble a little, this one does not do that. Rather, it seems to take out any edge that was here. Incredible value, and not snake oil.
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@stevehuff Thanks for the review, it's definitely helped me out with what was probably DC on my line. I am not a reviewer, but can I just review your Nagra stuff... for personal reasons =)
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Long story short, increasing the gain on the back of the ZRock3 increased the static/buzz while connected to the SE84UFO. I also tried this with my Pass Labs XA-25 with similar results. I could turn the gain down, but now I was turning up the volume on my preamp to get the same amount of volume
I am still testing some things out, but ironically if I use my XA-25 in conjunction with the ZRock3, the static/buzz volume increases, although to a much lesser extent when the ZRock3 gain is turned up. I guess Decware products are made to pair better with their stuff so it makes sense in that regard.
@jwlaudio I’ve had the same experience with the ZR3. Thank you so incredibly much for sharing your findings - Tai Hang now on the short list.
I definitely don’t want to sidetrack this thread, but I would be curious whether @karl_desch has experienced the same static/buzz with his ZR3, Decware Torii, and Zu U6s? I’m thinking probably not.
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Does the Tai Hang Power Enhancer helps with my system sounding bad on some days?
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I have been burning in my Tai Hang for one week but know from experience that it will get even better at 300+ hours.
The first thing I noticed after implementing the Tai Hang was how natural and organic it sounded with better micro/macro details and musicians appears to have a live presence within your listening space.
I have been using a very good power conditioner for over 4 years and with just one week of use, the Tai Hang has already surpassed the performance of my previous unit...
Fit and finish of the Tai Hang is excellent and my experience with Alvin and Vinshine Audio has been Outstanding!
Keep up the great work!
Wig
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@daytrader
I know and should have done it sooner🤭
Wig👌
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I've had mine for about a week and I'm very pleased! I can hear more detail. On a couple of well-worn tracks, I can now make out all of the lyrics. Without the Tai Hang, the singers sounded like they were mumbling. They're not mumbling, they're either whispering or smashing syllables together but they're not mumbling. The increased resolution is musically meaningful. It is easier to hear the interplay between musicians and instruments sound more realistic.
There's no change in tonality. Nothing is bright or edgy. I don't like that kind of sound. My Meitner MA3i dac is smooth and my Graham LS 5/5s have the famous Gundry dip in the presence region. That said, the system has more presence and, when called for, more bite. Any bite is quick, not cringy.
Finally, I plugged in my mono amplifiers to it and haven't heard any loss of dynamics. If anything, the system sounds more dynamic, with greater contrasts between loud and soft. I am running class D amps, so they're not drawing a lot of juice.
Great product. Very nice improvement from my previous conditioner/distributor (and cheaper too). The Tai Hang lowers the noise floor and/or removes grunge. If my system expands, I will buy another.
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@paullb What conditioner/distributor did the Tai Hang replace in your system? I am in the market for a new conditioner and the Tai Hang has piqued my interest.
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I believe this will be my next purchase for my rig but it’s going to take me a bit to save for it. ALSO I will deciding on the appropriate PC into it. (Leaning on another Snake River Audio Signature AMP series.) I hope the Tariff Yo Yo show is resolved by July wheen I order it.
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@fthompson251 i had communications with Alvin today, You can purchase the unit from sales@beatechnik.com. There’s no tariff but they are charging $100.00 delivery fee to deal with import duties and taxes, delivery remains free. I’ll be buying a T/H in the near future, Estimated shipping duration is 15-20 business days.
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@mrsprinkles
it bested a Furutech ncf conditioner. I thought about putting the furutech up for sale but wanted to try daisy chaining them first. That might be a little bit better than the tai hang alone. Not clearly be better like originally replacing the Furutech- maybe a little bit . It could also be my imagination or how I feel now. I’ll leave them both in for a little while and then take the Furutech out. sometimes taking a piece of equipment out, makes more of a difference than putting it in for some reason.
another tidbit: my speakers used to buzz a little bit in the tweeter and especially the mid range. The hai tang fixed that.
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Question for T/H users: are you running tube or SS amps? I run SS, and don’t have any audible hum or buzzing. Do you think a T/H will make much of an improvement on sound quality?
I run a dedicated isolated ground 20A line for my amp, and have a PS Audio Duet (fed by AQ Tornado PC) on a separate 15A line, powering my digital front end of streamer, DAC, and pre (all w Cardas Cygnus PC).
Thanks for your thoughts.
Best, JAMES
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Can someone who has received the device write how long they waited for it? A friend ordered one piece 8 weeks ago. It still hasn't been shipped, even though it says the waiting time for dispatch is 4-6 weeks. No one is responding to messages (vinshine.audio).
Really a very bad experience.
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What power cords is everyone using to the Tai Hang ? Something decent or something more high end? I am trying to consider the full cost to introduce it to the system. A good PC added would double the cost of the Tai Hang.
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If I were in this market, I'd try one.
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I ordered my TaiHang yesterday, now we wait.
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@fthompson251 congrats, How long is the wait time? I’m really interested in ordering one.
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@fthompson251
The best I've heard to date in my system is Furutech DPS-4.1 with rhodium plugs and nothing else has come close...
Wig
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@toneranger58 I only know what it says on the webpage which is 4-6 weeks. They have acknowledged my order was received. I've bought quite a few things from Alvin before.
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@wig To be clear you are talking about the PC feeding your TaiHang right?
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@fthompson251
Yes, it's the same PC I used on my Puritan and it's the PC that all of my components are outfitted with.
Wig
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@wig
Did you build the cables yourself?
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@wig Plugs and sockets range all the way from FI-11 to FI-52, and prices rise accordingly. For you, is there a sweet spot in the range?
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@charliee
Yes, I build my own PCs.
@twoleftears
The FI-28 would be a good choice and if you can swing it, the NCF brings out more nuances and a quieter background especially with Furutech DPS Cabling.
Wig
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@wig
So the Furutech DPS 4.1 Power Cord with FI-50 NCF (R) Plugs is what you recommend? How is the FI-46 Gold connectors with NCF? Thank you!
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@fthompson251
Yes, as it shines with NCF and presents a more neutral presentation but gold will add a tad more warmth...
Very long burn-in, buy an adapter and place on refrigerator or computer for a month. 😁
Wig
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Thanks @wig . I am working on both on the used market.
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@wig I was able to land a 1 meter Furutech DPS 4.1 Power Cord with FI-50 NCF plugs on the used market. Thanks for the advice! The TaiHang won't be here for a few weeks so I can get this thing on to power something to break it in while I wait. Alvin told me today they are 4-5 weeks out on production. My plan is to power my Aurender, DAC, DDC and Wavelet II with it.
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@fthompson251
Congrats and it will sound very good with 4-5 weeks of continuous use👌
Wig
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