Turntable isolation platform Recommendations?

I have the HRS M3X2-1719 isolation base under my Rega P6. Yes, the base cost more than the table but I plan to upgrade TT moving forward. My TT is mounted on a foundation wall but one of my subwoofers is very close to the TT. I have been really pleased with the performance of the HRS - I’ve only had one instance where I heard feedback to the table but that was before I dialed in the setup. I have not had any issues in the past 2 years whatsoever and I tend to play loud. 
I feel kind of odd providing an on- topic post give the history of this string. 
Matt

A couple to consider.

Call Pete, he will make you a custom size by request for no additional cost from the closest stock size.

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All you need is butcher block acoustics walnut or Maple slab. Place it on top of several vibrapods spaced symmetrically. Very economical solution. Better yet, place the slab on top of both vibrapods and their companion cones....still a helluva lot cheaper than HRS or the like. I think they call it the vibrapod sandwich. Ultimately, I would place the turntable on a made for turntable wall shelf mounted preferably to a dry wall dressed concrete wall. Then use the above vibrapods and butcher block acoustics slab. 

I have my Gold Note Mediterraneo table spikes(3)sitting on 3 SSC Netpoint 300’s, which sit on a 2" thick wooden butchers block, which is seated on 5 Nobsound springs on a Salamander A6 walnut stand for they’re base. My form of "table isolation" cost me all of $250 to do, plus the little L shaped level sitting on the butcher block.

Pastry slab ^^^

Marble pastry balance and Sorbothane feet 

One thing hardly mentioned here is the construction of the dwelling where your system exists. My system is located on the second floor of a 120 year old house in upstate NY with mostly a sandy terrain. Hardly on a bedrock foundation.
Every situation is different due to many factors. My TT is very old with almost no sound dampening in the feet. Is roughly 25 pounds. Millercarbon responded to my previous post and had a very good suggestion.....springs. For my situation, I decided to try them. Certainly Townshend would be the best option but I went with Nobsound springs since they are much cheaper in price than Townshend just to see if the springs added any benefit. They did. The Nobsound seem a bit crude since they house a number of springs but possible to remove springs to accommodate the weight of the table.
Other recommendations mentioned here are certainly worth checking out. Just wanted to offer my experience.

I forgot how much I didn't miss the "blovient drek" being flung in both directions on this site. Sigh...I will re-try in another 6 months.

Use a Minus K vibration isolation platform and laugh at all others.

I have an SRA rack.  I have the VPI Avenger Reference on top.  It works really well.  Look into sra racks or platforms

And a special thanks to Millercarbon on the record clamp. I did end up machining my own record clamp. With washer and threaded spindle.

Latest improvement, TA-102 tape. The thick one. Cut one piece round with a hole in it to slide over the spindle and then trim to fit your washer. This goes on top so the record rests against this vibration absorbing tape. Depending on your washer you might want to put tape on the bottom as well. Or a very thin layer of Blue-Tack. Then use one or two of the narrow pre-cut strips to go around the bottom edge of the clamp. So both edges the record contacts fO.q tape.    

If you use a reflex clamp this is all you need to do. If yours screws down like mine then use a piece of thin plastic sheet between the tape and the record to reduce friction and avoid marking the label. Simple, cheap, highly effective.  

Run a strip or two along the under side of the tone arm tube. Trim a piece to fit between cartridge and head shell. Put some more on the counter weight, base, motor, etc. One piece at a time to evaluate. Don't be like the guy who saw me say this and then thinking a little good a lot better wrapped his whole arm in it!   

Some of us human beings only have a living room for a television and a 2 channel listing space. All I know is on my BDI entertainment cabinet in between my two Wilson Alexx speakers I was surprised to see how much better the turntable 
performed the base was tighter the detail was far better. I’m fully aware times are tough out there and people are on edge all I was looking for was some information on other turn table platforms.

To those of you who gave positive input and recommendations I thank you for your positive response to help me with my decision.

Townshend Platform.

I think the point might be that your Luxman turntables do have spring-loaded and damped feet.  So yes, the Luxman should need nothing more than a solid rack, and sand is an excellent isolating material under such a turntable as yours.  In fact, any springy shelf or support under your Luxman is contra-indicated, because then you have the potential for two very different suspending systems to interact in a negative way so as to make matters much worse.  However, if your turntable is completely lacking in any sort of suspension or other isolating mechanism, then the addition of some sort of vibration or energy absorbing platform or feet or pods or whatever you want to call it may be merited.  In this latter case, it almost doesn't matter what you do; something is better than nothing most of the time.  In my opinion, the best set-up is to put a Minus-K or Herzan or Vibraplane platform under an unsuspended turntable.  Townshend Platform looks like a nice solution, too, if cost is an object. 


As you point out, the OP hasn't said he is having a problem with feedback.  This is why I asked the OP to describe any built-in isolating mechanism in his Clearaudio turntable.  Some of the other guys seem to know more than I do about that and have seen fit to try to advise him without too much feedback, so far, from the OP.  All's well that ends well.

Yes, Luxman PD-444 has build-in springs inside their feet (those are not soft springs, because it’s super heavy turntable), but this is the way this turntable designed, no additional spring or isolation platform required. See my point?

When I say people are crazy about springs I mean people who think the springs required under everything. The spring is their favorite topic.

My point is do not try to fix a problem if there is no problem at all.

Instead of isolation platform like MINUS-K (not sure how many people can afford it) it can be a custom made rack or table or just a rack from hi-fi store designed for audio components.

A good turntable already isolated, and you don’t have to be in vacuum completely isolated on a space ship to enjoy your vinyl, ok?

I see so many pyramids build by audiophiles under their turntables, they put springs on spring with those butcvher blocks, squash balls, spikes whatever. My questin is alwayы the same: "why?".


If you think I have only luxman Turntable you’re wrong, I have many different turntables, what I do not have is bass feedback or any problem that require additional isolation, this is why I’m asking the OP why he’s looking for isolation platform? Just because some people using them ?

I designed a custom made rack (filled with sand), it’s on spikes, the rack made for my PD-444, as you can see the Tannoy with 15 inch driver is near (pneumatic insulator under Tannoy as you can see). My turntable is "isolated", no bass feedback, nothing. I can knock on turntable plinth and there is nothing in the speakers picked up my my MC cartridge.


Ignorance @has2be ?

What is the problem with your turntables if you need so many things to "isolate" it ??? There is a volcano nearby or you are hammering the floor while the needle is in the groove? I really don’t understand.

Technics made SL1200G and 300 people can jump on the dancefloor dancing all nigh, even in this case nobody use isolation platforms and needles do not skip if everything adjusted correct with 2-3g tracking force. Since the 70’s people widely using Technics turntables in the night clubs (before Technics the Garrard and Thorens have been used there), normally there is a rack, sometimes there is a piece of slate on the rack (table) under the turntables. Nowadays it can be isonoe footers, nothing else. But believe me the sound pressure in the night clubs is nowhere near to your home audio and I believer you are alone in the listening room, I guess 300 people are not dancing on the same floor when you’re in your listening chair at home?

Isolation from what ? Turntable already isolated for home use, just put it on a stable rack or wooden furniture and enjoy the music if you can.

In my opinion it’s better to use a solid rack on spikes than to put some "isolation platform" on a floppy shaking lightweight table. Lightweight turntables on soft springs are shaking from a wind out of your window. 

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"Why do you need isolation platform? Isolation from what?

Hi-Fi rack or some nice and heavy wooden furniture is more than enough for a good turntable. "


People are crazy about springs and all that BS. "

@chakster 
Your both sides of ignorant and ignorance here. Constantly you demean others for wanting what your to ignorant to know or understand how or why. Assuming only you know best because your to cheap and to full of yourself to learn thus making it frustrating for others to learn without the imperialistic non experienced based drek.

I find the irony in this less amusing as it is just outright ignorance.
Those two middle of the pack TurnTables that you decry as the best ever Luxman PD 444 .....The bloody feet have SPRINGS  in them as well as rubber and silicone grease and steel rings........better ditch those eh...I mean who needs that BS , eh , according to you... I didn't know they had Ostrichs  in Mother Russia...with a lack of sand we can see what and where you place yours.....
Springs are not a new revelation,  just improved and defined...The actual designers thought they we important enough in your two Mid
Fi tables.....

I will definitely call Monday and speak with Mike.

Also Mike at HRS picks up the phone and can assist beyond dealer knowledge on loading, etc. A great guy, good ears, solid scientific background, made in USA, if your table changes in future can adapt load cells, etc….

HRS under my Bardo w Triplaner and Delos. As you might be aware the Brinkmann tables use a unique spindle spacer clamp system.

No doubt in my mind that the Critical Mass is good. I do want to check out the HRS to hear how it performs in my room. I am not a impulse buyer as I have learned from the past. Just needed some options on some of the popular cutting edge platforms. I do appreciate all of your input on this matter. And a special thanks to Millercarbon on the record clamp. I did end up machining my own record clamp. With washer and threaded spindle.

That table is close to 30lbs. I would try Pods first. That is an expensive table but those cone footers, you could actually put one Pod under each one. It will probably be better however to bypass the whole thing and put the Pods directly under the turntable base. Probably the best will be if you can remove the CA feet and replace them with Pods. Probably won't want to mess with that though I am betting. Even though it probably will be the best or certainly the most cost-effective solution. 

I would call John Hannant at Townshend. He helped me with mine. Vibration control with turntables almost always comes down to the details of each table and situation. John has a lot of experience with that, which is probably how he was able to help me so much.

Why do you need isolation platform? Isolation from what? 

Hi-Fi rack or some nice and heavy wooden furniture is more than enough for a good turntable.


People are crazy about springs and all that BS.

If you have some problems with bass feedback or your needle skip then tell about it. If you don’t have any problem you don’t need isolation platform.

Does the Clearaudio Ovation contain its own integral suspension system, of any kind?

The critical mass is the best Isola platform out there we tested both hrs and stillpoints critical mass was Far better

Dave and troy

I do not have experience with Critical Mass, but can attest that HRS has an excellent customer service, should you need to modify your platform down the road. I had to get low frequency absorbing feet when I changed furntables and they were super responsive in making sure that I got the right product. 

Both the Critical Mass and the HRS platforms are excellent. I just ordered an HRS platform for my Clearaudio Performance DC. I've used CM platforms in the past but my dealer carries HRS so that's what I went with. Also I plan to upgrade my table to an AMG Giro and they recommend HRS. Good Luck!

I am interested in the HRS R3X

Thanks for the response I’m using the clear Audio ovation table with universal 9 inch arm. The cartridge is the Hana a ML.

Depending on the details of your situation Townshend Pods, or Platform.

If the turntable is fairly massive (like 20lbs or more) sometimes Pods can be used directly under the table. This is the best relatively inexpensive solution. (Nobsound springs are the budget answer.) 

If the table is light, or if it uses an outboard motor like mine then you would put it on a shelf or sand box with Pods under that. 

Townshend Platform, which basically is Pods attached to a constrained layer damped platform. Costs more than Pods but the performance is a little better too owing to the constrained layer damped platform. 

My table is on a BDR Source Shelf and very massive so I use Pods under the Shelf. You can do this with a butcher block shelf or sand box or whatever. All of these options are a more performance for a lot less money than alternatives. The main question is which one will work best in your situation. 

It would help if you told us what kind of turntable you're using and if you're having any issues with it now. Not every turntable in every system will benefit from an isolation platform.