@glupson...That's the problem with life sentences...you're only truly dead in the joint if you die of natural causes in a permanent fashion, or someone makes you that way.... As for the latter, it's a toss whether it's better to have the authorities or a jail mate do the deed.
I suspect deep anesthesia is very similar to death in some ways. You 'go under'...there's no dreams, until your consciousness slowly returns. Awareness that you're again aware of being 'back'...sound returns like a volume control rising, again slowly.
Then you become aware of the plastic breathing tube that's still crammed into your mouth it's uncomfortable and getting more so because it's sticking to the sides of your mouth and throat because your mouth is dry as paper...
"Uhgulblth!"
"....he's waking...We'll get that out of your mouth in a moment..." (You're finally aware that they're still setting up in Recovery, but you still can't see...but you think 'not soon enough, dammit...')
"mmfth" Your eyes are open but focus is just starting to work. The room an out-of-focus fishbowl that begins to make sense...
You take a deep breath...without the oxygen mask you've had for 3 days prior....
General anesthesia is, in fact, one step from death but this was the first time I saw those moments described in such a detail. You obviously have a very vivid memory of that time.Thank you.
At times, it can be a step cavalier a bit too much. Michael Jackosn would attest, if he only could.
I've got a visual memory for the most part. My spouse Ev has one good at events and when they occurred. I kid her that, between the 2 of us, we have an entire one. *L*
She'll be watching a movie..."This is So Interesting, maybe you'd..."
"I hope so..we've seen it twice together before. In the next scene..."
"What? Oh..."
"....he's just about to kiss her. *chuckle* What happens next is 'typical Hollywood hook-up'...."
....and I get the 'smart ass' look....*shrug*.
But, to her credit, she can remember in great detail something we did (or didn't) do 5 or 15 years ago.
Anyway...enough...*S* Stay healthy; it's been interesting but not anything I can recommend to go through.
I enjoy the general attitude and commentary here @ AG. I Do learn and get exposed to the current level of the 'state of the art'.
Sometimes the 'art' outweighs the 'actuality' of the equipment under discussion IMHO, but I'm willing to let one or many enjoy what they may perceive.
I don't have to agree with Everything; but I'd like to be given the same latitude.
Hmm...some 2, 2.5 years ago...every 6 months I get follow-ups, once a year they check the defib/pacer. The last, just 2 months ago.
That was a experience...*G* Basically, the tech sets up a large-ish laptop, twiddles dials, switches...and my heart trace is on screen.
"How'm I doing?"
"5 by 5...you're good to go."
"That's it?"
"Yup."
That's when I asked about how durable the device is....
There's only 2 recorded instances when one has failed. One was in a car accident and the implant's cable broke. The second was the .38 bullet....but it stopped it, and he survived.
It's about 2.5 in. in diameter, maybe .5 in. thick.
*G* I wonder if I've put anyone else 'here' in a coma yet...
When I was catching up on this forum, scanning the repartie' and all...it did strike me in general how all responded to the line of our thinking, and the responses/reactions. I'd gave the sci paper a look....without taking notes but considering it's line of reasoning... Overall, it's correct...for a larger surveyed group. When one 'get's into the weeds' with a small group of AG posters.... too many variables, too small of a 'sample'. Group dynamics only work with mass quantities...then we 'average out'.
Nothing 'average' 'round here...the old comment about 'opinions and a common body part' come into play. ;)
Personally I don’t relish the idea of being put under anesthesia. In fact, after consultation with my doctor I had my first colonoscopy done without anesthesia. I did not (rpt not) do that again. For my second colonoscopy I was put under, but toward the end of the procedure I suddenly awoke 😳and looked up on the tv monitor and joked, Am I at the Multiplex watching a science fiction movie? Much laughter ensued. Well, maybe it was only me, I was a little groggy.
How does it feel to have to come here? Does it help to have someone to talk to? I think I felt better when I was locked up in the hospital. I’ve been using these threads as a journal, but also as a joke diary, you know, if I have any thoughts or frustrations. I think I told you, I’m pursuing a career in standup comedy.
Nope, someone did pretty much call me a communist. Communist, Nazi, it is a common refrain of the intellectually lazy and weak from those at the farther ends of each political spectrum and a term thrown around when they are unable to address arguments so they lazily attempt to dog-pile their followers and adherents.
It is exactly the same as those in audio who use terms such as subjectivist and objectivist as an attempted weapon, usually followed by some other weak and wrong statement. They do it to avoid addressing arguments and to dog-pile.
glupson2,852 posts11-09-2019 6:23pmOh,
no, hopefully nobody started mentioning communism. We have been through
this before and it would have been an embarrassment for all involved.
Had all involved only had a clue what they were writing.
Personally I don’t relish the idea of being put under anesthesia. In fact, after consultation with my doctor I had my first colonoscopy done without anesthesia. I did not (rpt not) do that again.
I have to say that for a person who has aspirations to be a comedian that is one of the saddest things I have heard.
So I’ve discovered a whole new set of related, but not overlapping, topics:
The Psychology of Stuff.
I got some article about the psychology of watch collecting, and it discussed the idea of identity of the self and what we own. Very interesting topic to look for in your favorite search engine.
Speaking of inanimate objects, have I described my theory of Mind-Matter (inanimate objects) Interaction recently? I’m sure you’d find it uh, shocking. 😬 At least that’s my scientific opinion.
Hey, no fair! Two against one! Oh, it’s only Uber and goober. Never mind. Get it? Never mind? I’ve still got it!
Value added: Have you seen what it’s like out there, you two? Do you ever actually leave the house? Everybody just yells and screams at each other. Nobody’s civil anymore! Nobody thinks what it’s like to be the other guy. Do you ever think what it’s like to be someone like me? To be somebody but yourselves? I bet you don’t. You probably think I’ll just sit down and take it like a good little boy! That I won’t werewolf and go wild!
I swear I’m right. I just checked my journal, I use it as a journal and also as a joke diary. I haven’t been wrong since 1985. And then it was only a typo. Everything’s topsy turvy. Me topsy. You turvy. 🤗
I’m starting to get a Lawrence of Arabia complex. The roads in the town where I come from don’t stop at the edge of town. They keep going. I hope I’m not too messianic or a trifle too satanic.
Gonna raise me an army, some tough sons of bitches I’ll recruit my army from the orphanages I been to St. Herman’s church and I’ve said my religious vows I’ve sucked the milk out of a thousand cows
Hi all...been a day. Went to a 'mac 'n cheese' competition in the afternoon, local restaurants for a music school. A fun interlude that gave me a tad of heartburn for a good cause. *G* I think the local lobster house tipped the scales by loading up the judge's plates. *L*
But anyway...anesthesia revisit....the only times I didn't 'go under' for a procedure was: -Getting 'fixed', so I'd 'shoot blanks'. Worth having done, but with a 'local' it felt very weird having the surgeon pull the plumbing about. Not painful, just....Very difficult to describe a discomfort of that nature... -My 1st colonoscopy. Done with a cocaine variant, wide awake but more buzzed than anything done on a 'recreational' occasion. You could have driven a bus up my backside and I would have been amused, watching the whole event on the screen nearby. Seeing one's innards, this journey up this vaguely pink rippled tunnel later helped understand how the gerbil must have felt. :) At the 'end' of the 'trip', we encountered the Lone Polyp. "We'll take care of that", followed by the flash of the laser. Then the whole journey in fast reverse....
I thanked them for the 'buzz', laughing. "I can't remember when I've been that wasted, thanks! See you this weekend! ;)" I think they were somewhat amused that I enjoyed myself.
It's good I had a ride home...spouse noted that I was likely one of the few that would go back just for the high despite having a tube stuck in me 'sdrawkcab'.... Not so cheap thrills...
I've been disappointed by any of them since....*damn*L*
@geoffkait , I don't claim to be a comedian, but life in general either seems funny in its' nature, or one has to somehow find a laugh to get through things.
We get upset with each other over things, concepts, or reactions that on occasion my response is "Oh, c'mon. This is like the 'angels on a pinhead' rant! It goes Nowhere for Nothing worth the mental energy or anguish! Calm down and Think."
One wants to toss anything humorous into the middle of it like tear gas. Break it up before someone breaks something. Endless tail-chases over opinions vs. attitudes vs. things unmeasurable except by perception.
...and we should all know quite well by now how perception can effect what we say and think... ;)
*L* No, nothing quite that 'heavy duty'. Best description I can offer is Pink Floyd's "comfortably numb". Lying on my side, watching the screen, making the occasional observation (or absurdvation), aware of the activity behind my behind. Absolutely bombed, watching the show on the screen.
"You doing alright?"
"You can make it Better? *drugged chuckle* Please do."
*bemused laugh from 'back there'*
PCP? Once...which was Enough. 'Acid'? Got bored with everything looking like it was composed of polyethylene. Only entertaining during the initial 'rush' state. After that, just resigned to being awake for the interval beyond, went on with whatever occupied the time. Left it behind long ago.
Would only consider it again at the very end...of me. There had been studies done in Europe in the late '60s'~early '70's by therapists to see if it helped 'end of life' patients deal with the inevitable.
There were some positive signs that it did; 'ego-death' prior to the real deal was the point of the studies. The thought was that the fear of the end of 'me' was the big issue; that death was natural, the normal result of being alive in the first place....
We only become aware of being alive @ birth, that it's part of that process that we should expect to cease awareness @ death.
Christian theology teaches otherwise...(I was raised Catholic, BTW) Science and the pursuit of the mysteries of the composition of matter, energies, and all that makes up the universe shows how little we know of it. How all of this immensity that we occupy on this dinky particle of a planet actually works.
At the end of it...all we can really do is accept it. It's impressive that we're capable of asking the questions. *G*
But, we're still just Smart. Not as Wise as we ought to be. ;)
(And how much further can we get 'off topic'. *L*)
Cocaine "derivatives" (not quite, but its cousins so to say) are usually used for "not-mind-altering-anesthesia". Think local, topical, spinal, etc. PCP cousin (ketamine) could make you talk gibberish while not really being there. Not that I have an answer, or that it matters, but just like that heart attack and pacemaker. Apples in the apple bag, oranges to orange bag. Well, maybe you can ask what it was so, in case you need it next time, you can pick and choose.
Hi! Is this the Dr. Phil Show? How does it feel to have to come here? Does it help to have someone to talk to? I think I felt better when I was locked up in the hospital. I used to think my life was a tragedy. Now I realize it’s a comedy. I’m thinking of asking the doctor to increase my medication but I’m already seven different medications. 😬
*G* I’m not a fan of DerPhil...and when in the hospital for any length of time I obviously chafe to get sprung from the joint ASAP...
There’s sick people there.! I may be contrary, ’odd’, ’different’, but not sick. *hmph* (Well, nobody buys that...shucks...*L*)
geo, I take 10 meds daily...none of which are ’entertaining’ in the least. Two of which (Entresto & Eliquis) are normally not supposed to be taken in unison. I asked my cardio ’bout this:
"We feel the benefits outweigh the risks for you."
"Wonderful, Mark. I’ll have them carve that on my rock." He’s gotten used to my amused irony...
As for my next coloncruise (since I obviously enjoyed That compound), it’s likely an excellent reason to Not employ it. It must be strange enough to stuff a instrument up someones’ tush; to have them enjoy it and wisecrack (pun!) through it has to be distracting...
Query: "How does it feel to have to come here? Does it help to have someone to talk to?" Opinion: It depends upon what’s going on. If a topic strikes an interest or curiosity, I’ll look in. If it’s technical and of interest, I’ll scan to perhaps glean some knowledge; perhaps try to ask some pertinent if I can. Some subjects seem to reek of the onus of starting a ’flame fest’; the ’cable conundrum’ is an infamous one...and things of that nature.
It’s how we end up responding to each other over some subjects, stretching over multiple pages, makes one wish for a marshmallow on a stick. The heat gets almost palpital....
...and occasionally I just feel the need to wisecrack....
"It’s just this little chromium switch....*clic*...y’all are So superstitious..."
@erik_squires "Psych 'O Stuff"....*whew* That'll be good for about a dozen pages....After getting through equipment choices, cars, homes, spouse vs. 'trophies' (implant variants should be avoided @ all costs), toothbrushes....
asvjerry @erik_squires "Psych ’O Stuff"....*whew* That’ll be good for about a dozen pages....After getting through equipment choices, cars, homes, spouse vs. ’trophies’ (implant variants should be avoided @ all costs), toothbrushes....
The edges of our screens will begin to bleed.....
>>>>I think I know where glubson will be hanging out for the next few days. Anything with Psycho in the title should attract him like moths to a flame. Go get em, glubby!
avsjerry Query: "How does it feel to have to come here? Does it help to have someone to talk to?" Opinion: It depends upon what’s going on. If a topic strikes an interest or curiosity, I’ll look in. If it’s technical and of interest, I’ll scan to perhaps glean some knowledge; perhaps try to ask some pertinent if I can. Some subjects seem to reek of the onus of starting a ’flame fest’; the ’cable conundrum’ is an infamous one...and things of that nature.
Give me an audio subject and I’ll give you a flame fest. The cable conundrum as you call it has been going on for more than 40 years, that’s true, but it has certainly become more complex, and even perhaps more interesting, no? Breathes there a man with soul so dead he never to himself has said, I don’t really give a crap about cables? As a subject worth discussing, cables actually have all the bells and whistles. I’ve kind of been using these threads as a journal, but also as a joke diary, if I have any thoughts or frustrations. I think I mentioned, I’m pursuing a career in standup comedy.
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