The science of opinion ...


Some may find this interesting (it is).

Some may find this threatening (it isn't, it is science).

Some may read it and use it to help them understand the dynamics of internet forums.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0078433
atdavid

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avsjerry
Query: "How does it feel to have to come here? Does it help to have someone to talk to?"
Opinion: It depends upon what’s going on. If a topic strikes an interest or curiosity, I’ll look in. If it’s technical and of interest, I’ll scan to perhaps glean some knowledge; perhaps try to ask some pertinent if I can.
Some subjects seem to reek of the onus of starting a ’flame fest’; the ’cable conundrum’ is an infamous one...and things of that nature.

Give me an audio subject and I’ll give you a flame fest. The cable conundrum as you call it has been going on for more than 40 years, that’s true, but it has certainly become more complex, and even perhaps more interesting, no? Breathes there a man with soul so dead he never to himself has said, I don’t really give a crap about cables? As a subject worth discussing, cables actually have all the bells and whistles. I’ve kind of been using these threads as a journal, but also as a joke diary, if I have any thoughts or frustrations. I think I mentioned, I’m pursuing a career in standup comedy.

asvjerry
@erik_squires "Psych ’O Stuff"....*whew* That’ll be good for about a dozen pages....After getting through equipment choices, cars, homes, spouse vs. ’trophies’ (implant variants should be avoided @ all costs), toothbrushes....

The edges of our screens will begin to bleed.....

>>>>I think I know where glubson will be hanging out for the next few days. Anything with Psycho in the title should attract him like moths to a flame. Go get em, glubby!
Hi! Is this the Dr. Phil Show? How does it feel to have to come here? Does it help to have someone to talk to? I think I felt better when I was locked up in the hospital. I used to think my life was a tragedy. Now I realize it’s a comedy. I’m thinking of asking the doctor to increase my medication but I’m already seven different medications. 😬
et tu, Brute? By the way, if you think your standup is almost ready for Ha Ha’s you’re wrong.
I’m starting to get a Lawrence of Arabia complex. The roads in the town where I come from don’t stop at the edge of town. They keep going. I hope I’m not too messianic or a trifle too satanic. 

Gonna raise me an army, some tough sons of bitches
I’ll recruit my army from the orphanages
I been to St. Herman’s church and I’ve said my religious vows
I’ve sucked the milk out of a thousand cows
I swear I’m right. I just checked my journal, I use it as a journal and also as a joke diary. I haven’t been wrong since 1985. And then it was only a typo. Everything’s topsy turvy. Me topsy. You turvy. 🤗
Hey, no fair! Two against one! Oh, it’s only Uber and goober. Never mind. Get it? Never mind? I’ve still got it!

Value added: Have you seen what it’s like out there, you two? Do you ever actually leave the house? Everybody just yells and screams at each other. Nobody’s civil anymore! Nobody thinks what it’s like to be the other guy. Do you ever think what it’s like to be someone like me? To be somebody but yourselves? I bet you don’t. You probably think I’ll just sit down and take it like a good little boy! That I won’t werewolf and go wild!
Speaking of inanimate objects, have I described my theory of Mind-Matter (inanimate objects) Interaction recently? I’m sure you’d find it uh, shocking. 😬 At least that’s my scientific opinion. 
Poor little jitter. Still can’t find a sense humor! I would have thought you’d see the humor as someone, you know, with a bad case of the 🍑
No, once he got past the hairpin turn at the duodenum it was smooth sailing.  
Personally I don’t relish the idea of being put under anesthesia. In fact, after consultation with my doctor I had my first colonoscopy done without anesthesia. I did not (rpt not) do that again. For my second colonoscopy I was put under, but toward the end of the procedure I suddenly awoke 😳and looked up on the tv monitor and joked, Am I at the Multiplex watching a science fiction movie? Much laughter ensued. Well, maybe it was only me, I was a little groggy.

How does it feel to have to come here? Does it help to have someone to talk to? I think I felt better when I was locked up in the hospital. I’ve been using these threads as a journal, but also as a joke diary, you know, if I have any thoughts or frustrations. I think I told you, I’m pursuing a career in standup comedy.

Do you recall what Clemenceau once said about war? He said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 50 years ago, he might have been right. But TODAY, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and IMPURIFY all of our precious ....bodily fluids.

I don’t know if it’s true or not and I don’t care for Dylan’s music. But I’m only going by what Dylan said. I don’t know if he was joking or not. He seems like a pretty serious person though.
I gave up a long time ago trying to convert pseudo skeptics. I’m not trying to set the world on fire. I just want to start a flame in a few hearts. But as Bob Dylan says at the end of all his records, good luck to you.
My bad. I stopped reading your posts several days ago. And I decided after giving it about two seconds of thought not to go back and read your rebuttal of my take-down. I’m sure it’s FOS, though wordy. Just like the “scientific” article. But thanks for thinking of me anyway.
Geez, I leave for a little while and when I come back a bromance is in full bloom. 🌺🌺🌺
Just as I expected. atdavid attacked me personally rather than respond to my brilliant take-down of the “scientific” article he linked to in his OP. Now ask me if I was expecting anything different. It appears to me and I hope I’m not being overly judgmental but atdavid is basically saying do as I say not as I do.

Think of me as you would the caretaker Delbert Grady in The Shining. I’ve always been here.

“If I could explain it to the average Joe Blow they wouldn’t have given me the Nobel prize.”
uber, just curious, if you’re trying to soothe your soul wouldn’t Rubber Soul be better than With the Beatles? 
I tried to sign up for the AES micro aggressions survey but they beat the crap out of me. Actually it was mostly verbal. But it hurt my feelings pretty bad. 
It’s the old James Randi scam, just on a cheaper scale. When Randi couldn’t get any more action from drunks, dowsers and spoon benders he got the brilliant idea to go after audiophiles. And an excellent idea it was! It makes sense when you think about. From the skeptics’ point of view how can cables sound different? How can quantum mechanics have anything to do with sound? How can audiophiles be so gosh darn sure of what they hear? Enter the Million Dollar Blind Test Scam, I mean Challenge.

News Flash!! The AES is not (rpt not) made up of audiophiles. It’s made up of....pseudo skeptics.
atdavid--"If I have any goal at all, it is to help other people not fool themselves."

That’s GOLD, Jerry, GOLD! 🤗
This is silly. From the OP’s article abstract,

“In particular, we identify two major attractors of opinion: (i) the expert effect, induced by the presence of a highly confident individual in the group, and (ii) the majority effect, caused by the presence of a critical mass of laypeople sharing similar opinions. Additional simulations reveal the existence of a tipping point at which one attractor will dominate over the other, driving collective opinion in a given direction. These findings have implications for understanding the mechanisms of public opinion formation and managing conflicting situations in which self-confident and better informed minorities challenge the views of a large uninformed majority.”

>>>>>I say it’s silly because everybody and his brother knows you cannot change an audiophile’s belief no matter how many people try to convince him. It’s call the Backfire Effect. I’m not even talking about pseudo skeptics who will never change their beliefs, no matter what, it would be too embarrassing. Think of what their friends would say. I’m talking the average audiophile, not newbies, who hold certain beliefs. And they have reasons for those beliefs. But when people try to convince him that his beliefs are wrong he holds on to those beliefs even closer. That’s the Backfire Effect. When it comes to experts audiophiles are a little bit cynical and most of them would agree an expert is someone who used to be drip under pressure. We don’t need no stinking experts! As for the so called Majority Effect that cannot work either because it’s been proven, they’re like cats, you can’t herd Audiophiles. As for the Professional Pseudo Skeptics, it’s like Charles Manson opined, you can’t kill kill.
OK, I think I finally figured this all out. It’s from the Seinfeld episode, The Limo. Does anyone else think it was a bad idea to get Kramer involved?

Jerry flies in from Chicago and George arrives to take him home. His car has broken down on the Belt Parkway, stranding them at the airport. Jerry points out a limousine chauffeur with a sign saying "O’Brien". Jerry had seen an O’Brien in Chicago complaining to airport staff that he had to reach Madison Square Garden. Since O’Brien’s flight is overbooked and he will not be arriving in New York soon, George suggests they pose as O’Brien and his colleague and take the limo home. George assumes the identity of O’Brien, and Jerry makes up the name Dylan Murphy. The chauffeur lets them into the limo and says he has the four passes. George remembers the Knicks are playing the Bulls that night at MSG. Excited at the prospect of seeing the game live, Jerry calls Elaine on the limo’s phone and tells her to wait with Kramer for them to pick them up for the game, and to call him and George by their pseudonyms.
I have no confidence in the confidence levels reported by the participants in that article.
His sentence was grammatically incorrect, that’s true. But it was very close. And I think it shows he was trying. I already asked my doc for more of everything but he felt the massive amounts of medications were making me moody.
Thank you glubson. How does it feel to have to come here? Does it help to have somebody to talk to? I don’t know. I felt better when I was locked up in the hospital. I’m thinking of asking the doctor to increase my medication. I’m taking seven different medications now but they don’t seem to be doing any good.
uberwaltz
May as well keep this thread open, at least it contains the crazies in one easy to find area.

Now if we could only keep em here permanently......

>>>>I hate to judge too harshly but I’d say it keeps the people here who have nothing to say. But they sure as shootin’ like to bellyache! Everybody wants to be a facilitator. I’m from the future and only come back here for some kind of advanced ideas, but as there don’t seem to be any it looks like I’m here for the laughs. Audio forums died out in 2022.
Shotgun? I sure as shootin’ don’t like the sound of that word. How about wet noodles at three paces? Note to self - for whatever reason I seem to be on a roll today. 
I just tried using my calculator with my feet but it definitely didn’t work. That’s the way of science, right? You experiment.  But who knows, maybe I’m doing it wrong. 
Also I was under the district impression horses can speak but that might be due to too much TV. That’s pretty interesting if horses really can use a hand calculator you know, since they don’t have hands. Do they use hoof calculators? Maybe I’m wrong about this thread not being educational.
In the first place this thread is neither funny or educational. How do you like them apples? Is it apparently conceived to draw attention to the OP, who apparently truly believes he’s some sort of prophetic science geek. Other than that, it serves as a platform for my high-diving audio humor. Of course humor is subjective. The dynamics of internet interaction. I mean, come on people!
thyname
It’s not "Whiner". It’s Winer. Ethan Winer.

>>>>>Well, uh, you know...
Please no ad hominem remarks, Ethan! Try to construct your arguments, such as they are, logically. And if you play real nice I may even let you win one.
Note - When glubson says he really doesn’t understand, statistically there’s a 99% probability he’s telling the truth. 
The Brer Rabbit and Tar Baby routine can sometimes be very drawn out. 😬


Here’s a riddle. What do you get when you cross an obsessive compulsive isolated loner with a society that abandons him and treats him like trash? You get what you deserve - an internet troll! Only kidding! 🤡 Please, no angry emails. It’s hard sometimes to turn off the laugh machine. 😂 


“So that your family, friends, co-workers, etc. know who you are, and interact with you?”

>>>>>All of which assumes they like the Brer Rabbit and Tar Baby routine of course. 🤡 Humor is subjective.

“Is your only social media purpose trolling the audio forums?”

>>>>>He’s still thinking about the question. 🤔
Enter the fabulous glubson Brer Rabbit and Tar Baby Routine. Enjoy! 😉 
The Definition of Knowledge - Knowledge is what’s left after you subtract out all the things you’ve forgotten from school. School, as a kid, my mother would say, “You should enjoy it. One day you’ll have to work for a living.” No, I won’t, ma. I’m going to be a comedian



Rule no. 1 Never get involved in a thread about science with English majors and retired car salesmen. 
Sorry, Ethan dude, but I’m not into the whole Pro audio bag. I like to think outside the bag. Pro audio and AES are way too stodgy for me. But as Bob Dylan says at the end of his records, good luck to you! 🤗

Come on, Ethan! Do I look like the kind of clown who could start a whole movement? I attack you guys because you’re awful. Everybody is awful these days. It’s enough to make anyone crazy. 😛 But it IS fun, I no longer pretend it’s not.  Is that my defense for attacking pseudo-skeptics? No, they couldn’t carry a tune to save their lives. 🤡

And furthermore, all of that’s explained by the Backfire Effect, oft described by your friend and humble scribe on these very fora. The concept presented in the “Scientific article” is about as original as Skippy peanut butter.
atdavid
I never used the word charlatan, but generally that word is assigned to someone who makes extraordinary claims, claims that they are unwilling to or can’t back up in something approaching a controlled situation where the claims can be verified or disproved.

>>>>>There it is! Just as I predicted two hours ago! It’s always the others who don’t understand. It’s the others who make false claims. It’s the others who are delusional.

I used to think this thread was a drama. Now I realize it’s a comedy. 🤡

By the way, your definition of charlatan is bogus, Ethan dude.
I started to read the article but I only got as far as this. Then I stopped reading. Was that wrong? 

“At the scale of a group, repeated local influences among group members may give rise to complex patterns of opinion dynamics such as consensus formation, polarization, or fragmentation [8][11]. For example, it has been shown that people sharing similar extreme opinions, such as racial prejudices, tend to strengthen their judgment and confidence after interacting with one another [12]. Similar mechanisms of opinion dynamics can take place in a variety of social contexts.”