Possibly unlike other "naysayers" I actually did an extensive test of a pile of SR fuses and found them to be both slightly dangerous (not rated properly, so a couple of them blew), and ineffective, providing not only none of the astonishing benefits described in the avalanche of hyperbole provided by the sales team, but, when they were in my system, my testing both directions over weeks, the sound wasn't even a micro dot better than my trusty Littelfuse (or whatever fuse was provided in the gear I own.) products. Also, the question remains: Why would a fuse have an effect on the performance of electronic components anywhere else in the circuit? It's a fuse…tiny wire designed to melt if necessary…Note that the advocates of these things have paid the money and are listening real hard to see if they've made a $150 mistake, then claiming astonishment at the sonic improvements, or they're simply big fans of left field pseudo tweaks and think, for example, that all of the SR stuff magically fixes what I can only guess are imagined issues. Obviously those claiming huge improvement from inexplicable tweaks need a support group so they don't regret joining the club, and that's only natural as many of us are insecure in some way, and I don't doubt their sincerity…I do however have some faith in the reasonable world of the more rational audio geek, as questionable tweaks prove their worth through years of being mostly ignored and shrugged off by those without a sales agenda or a propensity to fall for inexplicable hype. Geoffkait will gladly provide a laundry list of those tweaks so anybody can see how they've failed over time, and how clearly the market has responded by letting these things remain on the fringe instead of being universally accepted as something that actually works.
The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....
New SR BLUE fuse thread ...
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
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Grover Huffman knows more about electronics in his 68 years than an idiot named George. He has a patent on his cable, do you? He's so intelligent, he wrote the patent himself, without an attorney and is was granted after only minor revision from the patent office. Who are you anyway? What profession are you in? How many degrees from higher education do you have? Get off this forum you troll!! |
Charles. I would likely agree it would be a waste of time for George to actually listen, which is a real shame. Such dogmatic closed mind negativity is really not needed or indeed wanted in these forums I fear. I see he has taken the same b.s. over to another fuse thread. Not quite sure just why he seems to have such huge angst over a simple matter. You either hear a difference or you do not, it is NOT rocket science....lol. |
Uberwaltz, I thought you had mentioned in an earlier post that you’re an electrical engineer. I believe that George brings up EE as a means of adding clout to his point of view just as he repeatedly invokes D’Agostino, Nelson Pass, John Curl etc. As has been accurately pointed out(Geoff) is an appeal to authority to boost his argument (and stature). Listening to an upgrade/premium fuse would be pointless for anyone so dogmatic. Their Negative outcome expectation bias would be overwhelming. Listening requires an open mind approach and no strong preconceived ideas stubbornly held. EE or not you have to be impartial and just listen to an audio product. Surely there will be varying degrees of listener results but this would apply to any audio product, and not exclusively limited to fuses. Charles |
George Unfortunately I have zero respect for any of your posts on this subject simply because you have absolutely refused to try a SR fuse yourself. So EVERYTHING you say is based in , well nothing really. There is NO WAY you can state any high end aftermarket fuse cannot work when you have not tried them, and refuse to do so. And PLEASE stop with the EE crap all day every day, it means NOTHING. I am a fully qualified electrical engineer in the field of industrial electronics involving 1000hp plus motors/drives and all associated wiring etc, a field I have been resident in for more than 18 years now. Equipment we deal with on a daily basis runs 3 to 10 million dollars worth and has to perform 24/7/365 so you better believe I know what the hell I am doing with it! But it has got absolutely diddley squat to do with this field of expertise and I fully understand that and do not waste my time being a blow hard on the matter. Just put up or shut up. Try an SR Blue fuse and then come back and spout, until then go away and take all your unfounded negativity with you. |
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I installed a new SR Blue fuse in my Grover CD player this morning. While I was playing music afterward, I noticed something was a little off. The sound was good, but I had lost that pinpoint imaging. I took the cover off of the player and reversed the fuse. Walla ... everything snapped into focus. It was more musical, more three dimensional, more organic and much more enjoyable. To call the proper direction of a fuse BS, is in fact BS. Again Georgie ... find another site. In case you've missed it, folks around here aren't laying down for your egotistical rants anymore. SCRAM! Frank |
fleschler You did Grover no favours using him to back up your BS, in fact you may have harmed him, he's just trying to make a quite buck on in his twilight years. It shows from his website you posted up as proof to your BS, that you have no idea what so ever what constitutes a qualified Electronic Engineer. So what if he applied for a patent in 2006 we did also, it means nothing credibility wise anyone can do it, maybe you'd have a little cred if it made him rich and famous like a Nelson Pass John Curl, D'Agostino ect. Give up the fuse snake oil superlatives and direction wonderment you sprout forth with gay abandon. It's just not possible, it's an AC main fuse that has a change of direction going through it 60 times a second, so it can possibly be directional, IMPOSSIBLE!!! Cheers George |
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His retail site is http://www.groverhuffman.com/homeHate to tell you, this proves nothing, this NOT the site of an Electronic Engineer. The guy has probably/maybe? done what my 16 year son did, in Australia, it's a 2 month course to give him the very basic licence (if he has one) to make up power cables and that's about it. If he doesn't have this basic licence they are illegal and very dangerous, and in Australia sue-able. All the other stuff he makes and sells even you can do it with zero licencing and knowledge, all you need is know how to hold a soldering iron Cheers George |
Quality "LittleFuses" for $2 which were the chosen fuse for the NASA’s Gemini space program or you can pay a little more for the German "Schurter". >>>>Whoa! What? The Gemini space program? That’s almost 60 years ago. Hel-loo! Hey, maybe those archaic fuses are what caused the fire that killed the 3 Apollo Program astronauts down in Cape Canaveral. Obvious NASA uses very advanced fuses now, have been for a long time, as I pointed out the other day, just like advanced audiophiles. Obviously no one can stop someone from using 60 year old technology if they are bound and determined. |
To the members who are torn one way or the other. These are old fuses (first two links) that have seen their day, with too many switch-on surges, all you have to do is replace them with quality $2 fuses from the third/fourth links, forget spending $100’s on BS fuses. A slow-blo fuse "ageing" right to left https://peakpinball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/fuse-8312-640x426.jpg A fast-blo fuse "ageing" left to right https://i.stack.imgur.com/0uqWX.jpg%20 Quality "LittleFuses" for $2 which were the chosen fuse for the NASA’s Gemini space program or you can pay a little more for the German "Schurter". Just pick your current rating, Fuse Size / Group , and if it’s fast medium or slow blow. and press apply filters https://www.mouser.com/Littelfuse/Circuit-Protection/Fuses/_/N-ba85y?P=1yocc4mZ1z0zlhtZ1yxmd9b&K... https://www.mouser.com/Schurter/Circuit-Protection/Fuses/_/N-ba85y?P=1z0zpeiZ1yocc4m&Keyword=gla... And pocket the $100’s you saved on BS boutique fuses Cheers George |
I'll plug my audio engineer manufacturer again. His retail site is http://www.groverhuffman.com/home His cable design is patented and it is his 100% full-time profession to design and manufacture SOTA cabling. So George, you are going to personally attack me as did Wolf_Garcia. Saying I'm a shill or am I just gullible (which is it)? I can see that you are now an unwanted commodity on this forum. Some of your technical posts have been interesting but now you are down and dirty just like Wolf. |
Close but no cigar. The reason I oft times use the expression pseudo skeptic is to differentiate those who pretend to be skeptical and curious and investigate or do their due diligence from the real skeptics who really ARE curious, who are intellectually skeptical, not just the knee jerk variety, and who investigate claims themselves rather than demanding somebody else do it for them, you know, presumably waiting to pounce on whatever evidence is presented. It’s mostly just Whack a Mole for the locals and the older set. 🤡 I have more real skepticism in my little little finger than pseudo skeptics have in their whole body. I admit to admiring the moxy and perseverance of some pseudo skeptics who demand proof and repeat the same stale attacks until they are blue in the face. 😰 Can I suggest you lie down, take two placebos and see me in the morning? 😬 |
@geoffkait -Geoff, I note that you’re fond of the expression ’pseudo skeptic’. Since pseudo means false or fake, and skeptic means one who believes something is probably false or fake, is a pseudo skeptic one who falsely believes that he probably doesn’t believe something? Or that he actually does believe that which he is probably not believing? I’m now going to take an aspirin and lie down... |
Georgehifi I challenge you to get just one known hiend amp manufacturer to back up what you lot say SR fuses can do, to the music and also the direction difference. >>>>As I’ve previously commented it appears high end amp manufacturers were inadvertently left off the distribution list when the aftermarket fuse and wire directionality memo went out about 20 years. Which coincidently is how long Rip Van Winkle was asleeep. That’s seems pretty obvious even among the amplifier Circuit Meisters and Anti Tweak Science Inquisition Council right here on this forum. Not to mention that’s probably an Appeal to Authority, anyway. Wake up! Wake up and smell the coffee! ☕️ |
^^^ So George ... What was your impression of Steve's two systems prior to applying the SR products ... and after applying the SR products? Obviously in order to comment with any credibility at all, when you did the A/B comparisons with Steve's system you took copious notes, did you not? How about sharing your measurements, spread sheets and white papers? You DID take notes, did you not? Frank |
Second, most aftermarket fuses are around $20 so unless your live in a tree house you shouldn’t have too much trouble financing a fuse.Geoff, you may need to move to a higher-end tree house. Even the pedestrian SR20 fuses that the faithful here have blown by long ago cost $30. The blacks and blues that most here are discussing cost $120 and $150, respectively. You must be buying your fuses from the guy in the white van with black and blue spray paint on his hands, oh...but wait....your system doesn't use fuses. Speaking of manufacturers, below is an interesting post about aftermarket fuses from earlier this week by a designer-manufacturer of well-regarded DACs, amplifiers, and other electronics, "Depending the type of product we use transformers in a range between 15 and 30 VA. It means that the primary windings are as thin as monkey hair and will have a length of approx. 100 meters. The resistance of this primary copper winding is about 60-90 Ohms so what will be the effect of one centimeter of fuse wire compared to the primary copper wire." |
No he doesn't own me a brass razoo, https://www.google.com.au/search?q=a+brass+razoo+definition&oq=a+brass+razoo&aqs=chrome.1.69... but with his comments the gullible non technical members need to be convinced with some sort of credibility, otherwise I'll keep calling BS on it. As it looks very much like shilling. He's has a total of 169 post, the majority of them are backing either you, Synergistic Research Fuses, or Synergistic Research HFT's which are another load of $350 to $500 "snake oil" BS. http://www.synergisticresearch.com/acoustics/passive/hft/ Isn't it a wonder with this sort of background that it makes one think what's going on? And it's not just with him, there are the other non technical recruits of yours that are relatively new members with minimal posts, yet very dogmatic about SR fuses and what it can do to the music, this also makes one wonder what's going on. And Geoff, all ones needs is to look at your website, and they'll know that things are not all what you want them to believe. http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina5.htm I challenge you to get just one known hiend amp manufacturer to back up what you lot say SR fuses can do, to the music and also the direction difference. Cheers George |
🐑 georgehifi Somebody wrote: From my experience, buss and littlefuses are unacceptable for audio applications. This kind of comment about mains fuses should be deleted by the mods, as it’s only posted to make the electrically gullible think they have to buy >$100 boutique "snake oil" fuses. Cheers George >>>>Uh, George, now you’re just being silly. First of all the aftermarket fuses sound better than stock fuses. Second, most aftermarket fuses are around $20 so unless your live in a tree house you shouldn’t have too much trouble financing a fuse. Let the inquisition continue! 👺 |
^^^ What makes you think Steve owes you anything at all George? He doesn’t owe you a GD thing. Tens of thousands of SR fuses sold. Tens of thousands of satisfied customers internationally, and yet ... you just KNOW, based upon nothing, that aftermarket fuses are bunk. The only thing that’s bunk here George is your constant attempts to derail good products. Frank |
I wasn't the only one in the room when I tested directionality of SR Blue fuses. This is simple to prove, who is this audio engineer and and is company/credentials, also you could get him to comment here, if he'll back up what he told you. Cheers George |
You are 100% mistaken in misrepresenting what I stated concerning alternative fuses. Junky sounding fuses sound junky. They were not designed for audio applications in mind. Maybe the $4 gold or $10 ceramic fuses are superior for audio applications. I haven't tried them. However, for my money, I'm sticking with SR blue fuses. You don't have to like what I like. You cannot say without hearing my audio systems whether they do what I say or not. I wasn't the only one in the room when I tested directionality of SR Blue fuses. The audio engineer who manufactured the amps heard it and decided there was a notable difference. Maybe Bussman and Littlefuses don't sound directional (I only tried directionality on older, used ones) in my equipment but they certainly do for SR black and blue fuses. If you want to hear it, come over to my home and listen for yourself. |
fleschler geoffkait Sorry, two cleanups in aisle 4 Cheers George |
There you go fusers, knock yourselves out. Filament is in an "S" shape for super sound. And only $10 https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ktYAAOSw6ctaoOEE/s-l1600.jpg Cheers George |
As far as directional goes I had the same thing when putting an sr black in an Exogal Comet plus dac. First attempt it sounded sort of lifeless for want of a better description. Sat and thought, hmm maybe wrong direction is possible. Changed it round and honestly it was night and day. And this was from a fuse I had been given from a fellow member who had upgraded to a sr blue fuse in his Exogal so zero outlay of cash at all! It worked pure and simple and the direction truly made a large difference I could plainly hear |
