geoff, "No man is an island. He’s a peninsula." A pretend major slip up by mister Kait. After Bathing at Baxters, circa 1967. Except none of us are naïve enough to think you didn't want to let it slip. Too shy to come clean with your fellow degenerates?
The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....
New SR BLUE fuse thread ...
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
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Exhibit A Excerpt from article in Stereophile Magazine July 2005 by Editor John Atkinson on the dodgy subject of blind tests and the validity of same. “In the summer of 1978 I took part in a blind listening test organized by Martin Colloms, in which the panel tried to distinguish by ear between two solid-state power amplifiers—a Quad 405 and a Naim NAP250—and a tube amp, a Michaelson & Austin TVA-1. The results of the test were inconclusive, the listeners apparently not being able to distinguish between the amplifiers (see HFN, November 1978). Having been involved in the tests, having seen how carefully Martin had organized them, and having experienced nothing that conflicted with my beliefs, I concluded that the null results proved that the amplifiers didn’t sound different from one another. I bought a Quad 405. However, over time I began to realize that even though the sound of my system with the Quad was the same as it ever had been, the magic was gone. Listening to records began to play a smaller role in my life—until I replaced the 405 with an M&A tube amplifier two years later. The lesson was duly learned. Whether or not they can be told apart under blind conditions, amplifiers can have a major effect on a system’s sound quality. And more important, normal listening had revealed what the blind test had missed. I told this anecdote at the debate to make two specific points. First, it demonstrates that my following the then-as-now "objectivist" mantra—that audiophiles should buy the cheapest amplifier that offers the power and features they need—had let me down. Second, it pits against one another two core beliefs of the believers in "scientific" testing: 1) that a blind test, merely by being blind, reveals the reality of audible amplifier differences; and 2) that sighted listening is dominated by nonaudio factors, the so-called "Placebo Effect." To explain my quarter-century-old Damascene experience, you have to accept that either the blind test was flawed—in which case all the reports that cited that 1978 test as "proving" the amplifiers sounded the same were wrong—or that the nonaudio factors were irrelevant, in which case the criticisms of sighted listening based on that factor must be wrong.” |
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fleschler - gdhal - I’m a proponent and I am borderline wealthy-like Don Rickles was when he diedMeaning you are able to hear a difference when ordinary speaker wire is reversed?(i.e. maintain polarity, simply take ends on speaker and attach to amp, ordinary means walk in to home depot and ask for wire to fix your table lamp). So fleschler, can you hear a difference with the naked ear (headphones okay) when that type of speaker cable is reversed? |
gdhal - I'm a proponent and I am borderline wealthy-like Don Rickles was when he died mitch2 - Go to http://www.groverhuffman.com/home and you will see how complicated a process is to build audiophile quality cabling. It's time consuming and intricate. |
I have purchased the blue fuses and will compare them to stock when I have the time. I will keep an open mind. I am willing to try because, although I believe deeply in science---- as an older audiophile once said to his young protege: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio Than are dreamt of in your philosophy" |
mitch2 @geoffkait , since you are correct about the wave thing, and how the signal is an electromagnetic wave containing photons [which are packets of energy (but no mass) that do in fact travel at the speed of light (in a vacuum) but only about 0.7 to 0.9 times the speed of light in a copper wire], then you understand how the water in a pipe analogy often used by audiophiles is in fact "all wet," particularly since the wave travels outside of the wire. Unfortunately, none of that does anything to promote how the "direction" of a couple of centimeters of wire in a fuse can audibly affect the sound of a system relative to 100 meters of primary copper winding in a transformer. >>>I didn’t say it did. But you have to lay the groundwork. You have to start somewhere. Why not at the beginning? |
@geoffkait , since you are correct about the wave thing, and how the signal is an electromagnetic wave containing photons [which are packets of energy (but no mass) that do in fact travel at the speed of light (in a vacuum) but only about 0.7 to 0.9 times the speed of light in a copper wire], then you understand how the water in a pipe analogy often used by audiophiles is in fact "all wet," particularly since the wave travels outside of the wire. Unfortunately, none of that does anything to promote how the "direction" of a couple of centimeters of wire in a fuse can audibly affect the sound of a system relative to
100 meters of primary copper winding in a transformer. @dwstudeman , thanks for reminding me how much I like taking things apart, such as highly regarded cables and fuses, and looking inside of equipment. It is unfortunate when I find something less than advertised (like the high-end power cord that consisted of three common THHN wires, a cheap PVC tube and some goop). It is also the reason that I am skeptical of components, wires, and doo-dads of any sort that come with any a warning or caution that opening them will void the warranty (or unleash evil spirits, etc.). I would not purchase a car without looking under the hood, but that's just me. It is also the reason I respect the manufacturers who take the time to explain their products in a rational manner (without invoking mystical powers) and actually show us pictures of the insides so we know what we are getting for our money. |
@gdhal - You’re lying again. Liar, liar, pants on fire! 🔥I have never, ever gone back and deleted a post from past history. I will on occasion delete a post immediately, you know, after giving it some more thought. Which is something I think you would benefit from considering. You know, thinking. And think it would probably be wise if you deleted most of your posts from past history as they reveal just how deluded you really are. |
^As I've stated, 80 percent. And as I've also stated, you have a habit of deleting your own posts from time-to-time. Believe (or not) whatever you - Geoff - like. I'm confident that forum members who have been around here on Agon a while are already familiar with you (your posts) and can easily vouch for the fact that 80 percent (or more) of your posts are fictitious. |
geofkkait >>>If that’s true I’m sure you can provide the post where I said it. If you can’t then one assumes you’re lying, probably out of desperation. 😫 Actually, I'll elect not to provide the specific link. My rationale is that you will merely delete it, the same way you delete some other posts of yours and then claim you have no delete functionality. Do you recall my bringing that to your attention? In any case, better than 80 percent of your posts are fictitious. HINT: another forum member felt I was being to generous, and upped the percentage. |
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gdhal And that is probably because geoffkait and cleeds are in cahoots with the moderators.I'm not in "cahoots" with anyone. If you have a complaint with this group's moderation, please take your complaint to the moderators. The responsibility for your deleted posts rests with you. When you promote your $25,000 "listening test" wager that you want to conduct in secret, and suggest others here get a lawyer to "protect' themselves from you, you're subject to deletion. I'm surprised that you haven't figured that out by now. |
Poor little gdhal. Blaming everyone except himself. 😢 I’m guessing it’s a simple case of acid reflux. 🤡 gdhal wrote, “Even Geoff admitted not long ago that better than 80 percent of his posts are fiction.” >>>If that’s true I’m sure you can provide the post where I said it. If you can’t then one assumes you’re lying, probably out of desperation. 😫 |
dwstudeman wrote, Nothing that could not be explained or discovered. Delivering a safe aircraft to the flying public demands that no weird anomalies exist. If it is acting strangely there is always a reason and it must be discovered and corrected. >>>Aviation safety is much more complicated than whether an aircraft is “delivered to the flying public without weird anomalies.” Please give us a break. I worked for the no. 2 guy in the Office of Saftey at FAA HQ. The FAA communication system is the second largest in the world next to the US military system. The FAA system, as you must know, is a system of many systems all of which interact with each other. dwstuderman also wrote, ”Being an audio enthusiast since I was young and having been an avionics tech for 32 years including formal electronics training, I really get disappointed when people substitute mysticism for lack of knowledge. Most do not even know how an amplifier works and do not realize that none of the electrons coming from their audio source ever reach the speakers. To oversimplify, an amplifier takes wall current filtered to negative and positive DC and shapes a facsimile of the input signal as closely and accurately as it is capable of doing and sends the facsimile from wall current to the speakers.” >>>>The number of years one has under his belt is a little bit irrelevant to any argument. Of course the electrons don’t reach the speakers. That’s because, as I commented last night, they travel VERY SLOWLY, about a cm per minute, AND they travel back and forth. But electrons are not (rpt not) the signal. They are only the charge carrier. The signal that goes to the speakers is an electromagnetic wave that is not (rpt not) comprised of electrons. it’s comprised of photons. The velocity of photons in a medium is somewhat less than in a vacuum (universal constant). That’s why the signal in copper wire travels at near lightspeed. It’s photons. It’s how we send information via satellite communications, it’s the same way. Information contained in electromagnetic waves. |
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dwstuderman wrote, “Also note that fuses do not have a direction as AC flows equally in both directions.” >>>>>That might very well be the falsest claim so-called skeptics make about directionality. It’s a Strawman argument. Because one thing is true doesn’t mean the other is true. That particular claim is usually a pretty good indication the person doesn’t know what directionality even means. |
^^^ Steve ... if you haven't put SR Blue fuses in your Grover CD player, take it from me ... its a must. As good as the player is, it will surprise you. Try to come up for a listen real soon. The Siggie III's are really singing now. I can hardly tear myself away from my magical musical machine these days. Frank |
dwstudeman is calling audiophiles dopes if we believe fuses and directionality make an audible difference. Fine, calls us names but it won't change the FACT that 10,000s of audiophiles believe differently as well as some manufacturers. My skeptical manufacturing friend heard it and chose to change from fuses to circuit breakers to increase the surface area of the protection circuit, just like putting a large gauge wire or metal block in the place of a tiny fuse wire. That's the only reason he came up with for the vast difference between fuses-that they are NOT made the same or operate the same way and are different. Otherwise, he's satisfied that there exists a difference even without explaining the why of it. |
I went to the Synergistics website and was greeted with nonsensical marketing terms of things that do not exist and a claim about what physicists know with absolutely no citation much less a credible one. Even if it did somehow alter anything, it would only be absorbed by the ripple softening capacitors in the power supply. The rails take Rectified and filtered DC only with electrons flowing in one direction at the same speed on each rail which is a constant given. I somehow envision that someone will market exotic diodes for power supplies in the future that some will claim transforms and lift veils and never knew how good their equipment could sound even though diodes only consist of two semiconductors, one doped with P type doping and one with N type doping and are either forward or reverse biased depending on the polarity of the input but plenty of people would buy into the marketing. Apparently only Synergistics has found a way to use Quantum Mechanics in a fuse that nobody else has. Perhaps they should use this knowledge for advanced space travel by bending the destination toward them and getting the hell away from us. This no different than all the useless pills and books advertised on TV promising to transform you to the vitality of a 17 year old with a libido the size of Texas. If we spent half as much on healthcare as we do on useless nonsense, there would be no healthcare crisis, not related to audio but the exact same concept. This reminds me of twenty years ago where this company was selling fake rocks to place on your equipment to absorb whatever the pet emi devil that was marketed at the time. I knew someone who dissected one only to find a piece of dupont corian inside. He threatened to go to CES and throw it from a high balcony so it breaks on the pavement and others could see what was really inside. They were rather nervous and begged him not to do it. |
Now I need go sacrifice a goat or two...... You and Geoff can do a double take on that one, using his avatar. http://sshc.in/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/bm10.jpg http://sshc.in/voodoo-dolls-black-magic-voodoo-love-spells-evil-spirits/ Cheers George |
@uberwaltz Nothing that could not be explained or discovered. Delivering a safe aircraft to the flying public demands that no weird anomalies exist. If it is acting strangely there is always a reason and it must be discovered and corrected. Also note that fuses do not have a direction as AC flows equally in both directions. |
@dwstudeman If you have been working in electronics as long as you claim then you will have surely come across many instances and events that science and tech just could not explain. Or are you going to tell me that nothing inexplicable has ever happened in your field of work ? Call it mysticism if it suits your desire but I know some of the stuff I have seen and I know some of said things we never ever could find a rational explanation for. I know what I hear and this evening I have been wallowing in pure magic. Ah well it has been a wonderful 2 week's of vacation but back out to California early Sunday morning to play with big boys toys, few million dollars worth of electronics. Wonder if we need any fuses? |
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Re electron velocity in copper wire: Although the drift velocity in a wire is small, the thermal velocity of the electrons tends to be quite large. Something of the order of 100,000 meters/sec. So they are buzzing about at random at high speeds, with a small superimposed drift velocity caused by the electric field. Electric current is essentially a measure of how many charge carriers you can move through a given cross-section of conductor in a given amount of time. This will depend on the size of the cross section, the number of charge carriers, and their velocity. A current of 1 A corresponds to a transfer of 1 Coulomb of charge per second. An electron carries 1.6*10-19C so you need to move 6.3*10^18 electrons/sec. Divide by the density of electrons in a copper wire (about 8.45*10^22 electrons/cm^3) and the cross section of the wire (for AWG 18 this is pi*(1.02mm/2)^2 or 0.008 cm^2) and you get 0.0093 cm/s. Summary - the net velocity of electrons in copper wire is extremely small. Recall the electrons are not (rpt not) the signal. They are the charge carrier. The signal is an electromagnetic wave the velocity of which is near lightspeed. The electromagnetic wave moves near lightspeed because the wave is comprised of photons, not electrons. - Your friend and humble scribe |
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Are upgraded PC’s and IC’s audible? How about upgraded caps? Any news about upgraded wall outlets, power conditioners and vibration control items? Frank |
I wonder if anybody buying expensive fuses understands that electrons have no memory of where they have been not to mention that the power is filtered to negative and positive DC to send to the rails. A good conductor has free electrons on the outer shell of the atom that jump from atom to atom and will always take the path of least resistance, they do not care what material so long as there are enough atoms with a given amount of free electrons to pass enough total electrons at any given time to meet the demand. Individual electrons do this at (>100000m/s) regardless of what type of foil or metal the free electrons came from and that does not change in any conductor. The fuse will either conduct enough current to satisfy the load without blowing or it will not in the case of the fuse being undersized. To think it does anything whatsoever to influence the sound in any way is delusional and demonstrates complete lack of understanding how electricity works. If the equipment has a component malfunction that causes excessive current draw, the fuse had better blow or it’s too big for the application. Being an audio enthusiast since I was young and having been an avionics tech for 32 years including formal electronics training, I really get disappointed when people substitute mysticism for lack of knowledge. Most do not even know how an amplifier works and do not realize that none of the electrons coming from their audio source ever reach the speakers. To oversimplify, an amplifier takes wall current filtered to negative and positive DC and shapes a facsimile of the input signal as closely and accurately as it is capable of doing and sends the facsimile from wall current to the speakers. I will say that if someone was to sneak into these people’s homes and replace their blue fuses with a piece of coat-hanger, they would never know the difference until they change to purple fuses or red or whatever when they come out and see the coat-hanger material or something malfunctions in the component and it burns up due to lack of protection. The human mind is very good at convincing people they hear things because they have invested. Some people see parasites in their stools that are not really there because they are so certain they are there yet the perplexed relatives, doctors and lab technicians are shaking their heads at this. Finally, has anyone even dissected these wonder fuses? What is wrong with your system that you think fuses will correct? |
I have always heard psychedelic drugs were supposed to have the effect upon the user oft described as a freeing of the mind, or expansion of the mind. Kind of the opposite reaction I observe in our dead head friends, gdhal and jitter. Perhaps the optimism surrounding psychedelics as regards mind expansion should be tempered with a little cold hard reality such as can be found in the pages of Huxley’s epic, The Doors of Perception including his essay, Heaven and Hell. Made the scene Week to week Day to day Hour to hour The gate is straight Deep and wide Break on through to the other side Break on through to the other side Break on through Break on through Break on through Break on through Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah “Turn on, tune in, drop dead.” - Alfred. E. Newman 🤡 |
