SR Blue Fuses

Think you meant to say Genial....👍👍

Add me to the list of audiophiles that hear a difference in a aftermarket fuse. After reading another positive review of my Benchmark Ahb2 amp, I was curious to do it. The reviewer was already a fan of  the Audio Horizon fuse, and installed one in the Benchmark amp. He had already decided to make the Benchmark his reference amp, before changing the fuse.
When I installed the fuse on June 1st, the improvement was obvious, but not huge. Enough to justify the cost. No, I am not going to audition other brands to compare. I will probably change the fuses in my Benchmark LA4 next.  Maybe a SR!

Fuses make a difference.  On veiled dulled systems one will never know. 

The "list of audiophiles" who believe in Magic Fuses is actually minuscule, as is the number of circuit designers and gear manufacturers who recommend 'em...somehow they're immune to the ranting blather of athletic supporters of silly tweaks. Name any recent review of any piece of gear from any audio magazine that mentions the "special" fuse recommended by the designer...I’ll wait here ready to unrelentingly and thuggishly bully whomever responds, as hey, it’s what I do.

wolf_garcia

The "list of audiophiles" who believe in Magic Fuses is actually minuscule ...

I haven’t seen "the list" so I don’t know if you’re right or not. There is apparently enough interest in aftermarket fuses (calling them "Magic Fuses" is really just propaganda) to support a few fuse vendors, but of course that doesn’t really matter. To claim otherwise is the logical "bandwagon" fallacy.

... I’ll wait here ready to unrelentingly and thuggishly bully whomever responds, as hey, it’s what I do.

Yes, we seen this before from measurementalists: Insults, threats, profanities. Those are the tools of people who lack facts and reason, or who are just otherwise angry and use this forum as an outlet for their ire.

The "list of audiophiles" who believe in Magic Fuses is actually minuscule..."
The list of persistent naysayers is even more minuscule.  

The point is clearly missed there jafreeman...I guess for the slower among us I should have said "relative to those who know magic fuses are silly snake oil and would never get sucked into 150 bucks for a fuse." I hope that clears it up.

What is a "magic fuse"? What does it do? And where can I buy one???!

I'm tempted by sale prices on SR orange fuses, and their money-back offer. But my VTL integrated amp wants a 6-amp main fuse and SR offers only a 6.3-amp. Would it be inadvisable to switch?

Seriously? Okay look, long story but I had reason to look into this, talked to a very well respected designer/builder, who said he had no problem with me using twice the rated fuse. "But you didn't hear it from me" so no names. But true. He's not the only one either.  

"I hope that clears it up."   

No dice, Wolf.  You're on a very short list.  

I wish everyone would just mind their own beeswax.

In the meantime, the organic, pure clover version is due to be released next week.
https://highend-electronics.com/products/audio-magic-ultimate-beeswax-shd-fuse

john_g  A 5% difference in rating should not be a problem.  Phone SR if you want confirmation.  My amps are rated for 5 amp fuses but require 8 amp due to their enormous storage caps which have a huge inrush which popped the 5 amp fuses.  (SR exchanged the blown fuses for the appropriate ones). 

My amp designer friend who has NO tweaks in his system immediately heard the difference in my monoblock amps he designed using the blue SR fuse over the 5 amp Littlefuse (a new one too).  He decided (he's cheap) to install 5 amp breakers to replace the fuses.   His amps sound about as identical to mine as we can tell.   Whatever it is, the cheap fuses are INFERIOR in our amps than SR fuses.   The blue fuse sounded great immediately without the mandatory 72 hours the black fuse required to stabilize.  I also use the blue fuse in my heavily modded Dynaco ST70 and that is a substantial improvement over other fuses.  

I wish everyone would just mind their own beeswax.
In the meantime, the organic, pure clover version is due to be released next week.
https://highend-electronics.com/products/audio-magic-ultimate-beeswax-shd-fu

Seriously!!!! Anyone who buy this needs to be committed! https://youtu.be/YTY26k0CA0I?t=7

Has anyone of the gullible fusers here noticed, there’s not one single audio industry EE guru that posts on Audioogon giving the slightest bit credence to these snake oil fuses.

Why would any self respecting audio EE in his or her right mind post a positive take on aftermarket fuses knowing that the Insane Clown Fuse Posse would be hot on their heels for the foreseeable future, hounding their site, posting insane diatribes and calling for a boycott of their product?

Have you been paying attention to what happens to anyone who speaks their minds on the internet?

All the best,
Nonoise

Why would any self respecting audio EE in his or her right mind post a positive take on aftermarket fuses

Because they know it’s snake oil sunshine that’s why! And they sell their products to you guys and don’t want to loose any potential sales.
Especially it’s the way you guys go on about what they can do to the sound !! And then especially reversing them in an ac mains environment!! And then there’s the cost!!!!

Careful....
Never mind blowing a Poufel valve you are in danger of twisting your knurled sprocket flanger out of alignment and you KNOW what will occur if that happens....😉😉

When a reputable engineer asserts something, there is something concrete technically  to back it up. That is how engineers operate.

No reputable ones would hesitate if that were the case but when it comes to hifi fuses fact is the only thing to back up anything are marketing claims and individual opinions and everyone has one of those.

It has nothing to do with fear of clowns.

An incredibly small list: tweak fuse designers who can design an amplifier....

An incredibly small list: tweak fuse designers who can design an amplifier

I’d say it’s much smaller than microscopic, it would be more like infinitely small!

Cheers George

I’d say it’s much smaller than microscopic, it would be more like infinitely small!

Oh there is most definitely a lot of things some posters display that fit that description........

You and geoffkait should get together and form something, your both on the same wave length.

Ears burning?

If "magic" fuses were as obvious a benefit as the bloviating faithful claim they are, every manufacturer of any component with a fuse would enthusiastically recommend them. They don't. 

Wolf, you're in a large room, full of hundreds of audiophiles. All are talking about the sonic improvements they are hearing with specialty fuses.  You go from person to person, insisting to each they cannot be hearing improved sound.  Some disagree, some laugh, but you continue on, emphatic in your belief, repeating, "It's a fuse!"  You are determined to save them from their mass delusion.   None take you seriously, though.  After all, they are in agreement, enthused with what they are hearing.  You suddenly stop--you stare out at this crowd, and a realization slowly overtakes you: It is you, not they, who suffers from delusion.        

You're in a large room, full of hundreds of audiophiles. All are talking about the sonic improvements they are hearing with specialty fuses.

Who said they are?? you???
And where are the double the amount of audiophiles that say there's no sonic improvement?? you didn't even mention them???
Your full of **** if you think that that's an analogy, if you think that "could" happen. What a 🤏

This is an open forum where differing opinions exist. I’m not trying to save anybody from anything, I’m simply stating an opinion based on my own experience and that of many others, and reacting to what I see as nonsense...so Jafreeman...why not try and address some of the things I bring up? Like gear manufacturers ignoring the pseudo science and hyperbole disgorged by the fools who pay through the nose for a fuse. Around here expectation bias meets gigantic egos with alleged "Golden Ears" who are justifiably ridiculed by the sane among us (including engineers of audio gear)...I don’t believe the ridiculous claims, I’ve tested Magic fuses myself and believe me, I’m hardly the only one around here who feels Magic fuses are all a scam to cash in on the gullibility of audio geeks. If I stated that painting the knobs on my preamp with green paint that I payed 150 bucks for made cellos come into focus, I’d get ridiculed...and rightly so.

wolf_garcia

This is an open forum where differing opinions exist. I’m not trying to save anybody from anything, I’m simply stating an opinion based on my own experience ...

That simply isn’t true. Here’s what you wrote in this very thread just yesterday:

... I’ll wait here ready to unrelentingly and thuggishly bully whomever responds, as hey, it’s what I do.

And now you ask:

so Jafreeman...why not try and address some of the things I bring up?

Perhaps because you’re not interested in a conversation. I do give you credit for being transparent about it.

"... I’ll wait here ready to unrelentingly and thuggishly bully whomever responds, as hey, it’s what I do."

This was not Wolf, Cleeds. He is just repeating what someone else said about him.  

Wolf, your failed SR listening trial is not what most others have concluded in their trials--the fuses are a hit for most.  They don't work for you, fine.  They work for most everyone who has tried them--they improve definition and realism as reported.  What I was getting at with you in the big room was that you could end up in a straight jacket if you do not eventually accept what folks are hearing. There is no point in going on about it. 

For those interested in seeing maybe what shillers are among us, search for threads about fuses, I did and it was "the usual half dozen" that constantly come up for many many pages associated with these voodoo snake oil fuses.
Then for also fun I searched the same but this time with posts only from jafreeman.
Results were over 20 posts per page and countless pages that I gave up after looking through 10 pages. "Good-on-ya JA your ripping"

George
Sorry to inform ya bud but the same statistics can be used to fire right back at ya!

Check all the fuse threads and see the same 2 or 3 main naysayers and their increasingly desperate posts.....

Check your Poofel valve at the door....

I for one, don't believe wolf should be in a straight-jacket .... but at least then his ant-fuse comments would cease.

Hey .... perhaps that's why we haven't heard from GK. Oops

Seriously is there a noted designer of amplifiers who is a proponent? 

Seriously is there a noted designer of amplifiers who is a proponent?

No one noted electronics engineer that designs amps and post here on Audiogon, will confirm any of the claims the fuser's are saying what they get from changing to these >$150 fuses.
Cheers George

Not quite accurate George but unfortunately the one I knew and spoke to died, so please don’t say something crass like how convenient!

That was Charley Hansen of Ayre Acoustics.

He was a firm believer in boutique fuses, aftermarket PC and voicing of his equipment via Myrtle wood blocks that he actually supplied with his amps etc straight from the factory.

Really!! I knew Charley quite well (rip) when we collaborated in both modding a Wadia Digimaster X64.4 from Jock Homo’s website, he was the furthest from being a vood’ist snake oiler that I could imagine.

This I have to see. Please show links where he talks like you fusers do about the sonic advantages a >$150 boutique fuses give.

George
Not what I said at all about having links showing him stating his views on the net.

All I know is from my own personal interaction.
Oh and the fact Ayre did and still do supply the Myrtle wood blocks with their gear.

I have zero interest in arguing anything with you that cannot be proven .

Just maybe he did not consider aftermarket fuses " voodist snake oil".
Can you state in your interaction that he actually called fuses this?

No matter, that’s a rhetorical question so have a great evening.

Oh and save the " you fusers" please.

Or should we start calling you the " anti fusers"?

Priceless.

Like I said, and I asked nicely, "please show a link" to Charlie's (rip) statement you said he made, where "he was a firm believer in boutique fuses" and what they did for the sound.   

Fusers. Shills. When it comes to going off and resorting to name calling George has a pretty short fuse.

George
Where are you getting the notion that I intimated there would be any links??
Telephone conversations do not have “links”.
Please reread my original post on this matter.
Then reread my second post on this matter.
Then have a blessed evening and stay safe.
Thank you.

Fuses debates mimic cables debates...

And history, catastrophes,deaths, birthdays, accumulate, but the same goes on without end; it seems this simple small event, adding a cable or a fuse, whatever the price, which can probably in some case made an audible difference is inconceivable for some and an absolute truth in all cases for some....

It is simple however,in an audio system, all things linked to the system made a difference: be it adding a router in the house, replacing a wall plug, changing the electric panel, a new computer, a cell phone, etc introducing resonance or vibrations with a new device, putting small cones bells on the wall of the audio room, etc The list is without end... All that is a new source of noise or a modification of the noise, or a controlling source of the noise in some case...

But history will going on, birthdays, deaths, economic collapsus, bubonic plague, but the same simple thing will stay inconceivable for the same people for the same reasons...

Try something, try to embed your audio system rightfully, controlling the resonance in a better way, dont buy anything, try with your own creativity...

Try to decrease the electrical noise floor of your house, be creative and buy nothing, only think about how to do it ( you can, i did it and most of you are way more talented than me).

Try to change the acoustics with only your ears, no instrument allowed, and buy the cheapest materials for doing so, be creative and listen, try also some different resonators of all size, Helmholtz one and others....

Then you will discover the level at which small things affect your audio system and your ears....You will know that some things are not in engineering design manual and exist tough...That some phenomena are not teach in electronic device courses...

And after that you will listen to the sound and with nothing else than your ears for opinions....No more stupid debate about so simple things...

The fundamental problem in audio is not upgrading the electronic, nor measuring something, it is using our own ears like a feed- back instrument to correct the sound in the mechanical resonance controlling dimension, like a feed back to know how to decrease the noise floor of the electrical grid of the house connected to the noise floor of your audio system, like a feed back to controls in a passive way with inert materials the acoustical dimension of the room and also like a feed back to adjust the active resonators for controlling the acoustical atmosphere...

Dont buy anything costly, no ready made solution for all, create your owns, tailor-made for your house, your room, your audio system and design by your brain for your ears...an in an incremental way STEP BY STEP, your audio system will reach an optimal high level of S.Q.

After that, if someone say that for him a cable or anything that he has changed or added has made an audible differences, you will know that it is probably true or at least possible.... You will know that by experience and experiment, not like a parrot repeating a mantra, or regurgitating a lesson in "science"....And you will not be a gullible customer paying big money for ready made solution....

And you will never buy costly ready made solution by frustration, or impotence; you will use your ears and you will have fun at peanuts cost...

This is my experience.... And this is my hobby....Not buying or selling....Nor measuring....Listening is my hobby, not upgrading  and taking the chance to go higher with a ready made solution.... :)

Listening cost nothing and will give to you ALL solutions for nothing or almost nothing....

This forum is for relating the positive experience one audiophile had using boutique fuses.  Posters relating how stupid we are for believing b_limo and his positive experiences are wasting everyone's time.   I guess that's why we call them trolls.   They have nothing positive to add. 
When you speak negatively about someone, it doesn't reflect the person; it reflects you and your own insecurity. The best types of people in the world do not have time to badmouth others; they know the value of their words. We learned early on that if you don't have anything nice to say, you shouldn't say it at all-Trolls.

SR fuses have always worked for me. Blacks to Blues and now Oranges. Count me in as a very happy camper! Just ordered more Orange Fuses today under the 3 for the price of 2 special for August. Two more for my LPS's and one for my buddy's from highend-electronics.com. They are great folks to deal with and all SR products come with a 30 day trial...

If one wanted to get into the fuse game do you guys suggest getting the orange one straight away or should one work their way towards it? Perhaps sitting this one out until the next color comes out would be a wiser move? Your thoughts are appreciated.

George
Where are you getting the notion that I intimated there would be any links??

Charley Hansen of Ayre Acoustics.
He was a firm believer in boutique fuses, aftermarket PC and voicing of his equipment via Myrtle wood blocks that he actually supplied with his amps etc straight from the factory.

Because I knew you were full of ka-ka, just like what you and your fuser buddies say about what sound differences fuses can do in a system a load of bull ka-ka